Thriftygamer83 Posted December 23, 2018 Share Posted December 23, 2018 Ownership is dismal, Coaching is abysmal, and fans are trending down on purchases. Any other competitive Coach be it Andy Reid, Anthony Lynn, and or Jon Harbaugh would have won based on the turn overs. Let it snow, let it snow, let it snow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted December 23, 2018 Share Posted December 23, 2018 57 minutes ago, vincec said: Bills treated it like a preseason game and played like it. Dang! We coulda had a Peterman! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thriftygamer83 Posted December 23, 2018 Share Posted December 23, 2018 2 minutes ago, Nihilarian said: What is a rookie QB to do when the OC doesn't call 6 yard outs when he needs 5 yards as he calls 15 or deeper plays hoping for that big play. It's not about moving the chains like it is when NE, with Daboll it's all about the big play. It had better be Crossman's last year in Buffalo AND Juan Castillo too. Otherwise kick McD out the door with both those bums. Allen is the result of an OC who calls plays like he has an experienced veteran QB behind center and an outstanding offensive line to allow for those mid to deep pass plays he keeps calling. They work when you get the lead and start the game with a bomb to scare the DBs and if that doesn't happen the run game and pass game don't work. This year's team has so many bad players on offense and yet I know this HC/ GM with draft a DT, LBer with the first two picks. WHEN will this franchise hire a head coach capable of beating the Patriots? That takes new ownership that when it says win now mode; it means win now. Until then we are as stuck as Lions fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan_34 Posted December 23, 2018 Author Share Posted December 23, 2018 4 minutes ago, Nihilarian said: What is a rookie QB to do when the OC doesn't call 6 yard outs when he needs 5 yards as he calls 15 or deeper plays hoping for that big play. It's not about moving the chains like it is when NE, with Daboll it's all about the big play. It had better be Crossman's last year in Buffalo AND Juan Castillo too. Otherwise kick McD out the door with both those bums. Allen is the result of an OC who calls plays like he has an experienced veteran QB behind center and an outstanding offensive line to allow for those mid to deep pass plays he keeps calling. They work when you get the lead and start the game with a bomb to scare the DBs and if that doesn't happen the run game and pass game don't work. This year's team has so many bad players on offense and yet I know this HC/ GM with draft a DT, LBer with the first two picks. WHEN will this franchise hire a head coach capable of beating the Patriots? You have made some valid points! There are some throws that all QB’s must make, regardless if they are a rookie or not. JOsh’s accuracy is comcerning to me. I am not certain we will get it right in the draft or FA. Im getting the sense this regime is lost. When you hire the HC first then he lobby’s for the GM its just ass backwards and typically teams that do that lose. I will agree the talent pool is low- really low. But as it looks right now Edmunds and Phillips are whiffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apuszczalowski Posted December 23, 2018 Share Posted December 23, 2018 Sad thing is, it wont matter if Brady retires or not, he isnt needed to win these games, the Bill's 'offence' cant score against them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mojo44 Posted December 23, 2018 Share Posted December 23, 2018 14 minutes ago, LSHMEAB said: If Allen was the best player on the field for the Bills, we are in SERIOUS trouble as an organization. He struggled as virtually all rookie QB's do against Belichick in NE. Not a serious concern for his career trajectory, but if that's the best, what's the worst? Holy smokes. Agreed. The point is, other than our young quarterback, the offense needs totally to be revamped. We do not have any talent, either receivers, offense of line men and, quite frankly, running backs. But Josh is, in my opinion, one hell of a good starting point. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thriftygamer83 Posted December 23, 2018 Share Posted December 23, 2018 12 minutes ago, apuszczalowski said: Sad thing is, it wont matter if Brady retires or not, he isnt needed to win these games, the Bill's 'offence' cant score against them. Implies we need new ownership that when they say win now; they mean win now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gobills1212 Posted December 23, 2018 Share Posted December 23, 2018 2 hours ago, billsfan_34 said: I have yet to openly criticize McDermitt but today he was awful. His players werent ready, the game plan was awful and he just doesnt have the pulse of the game and adjust. Furthermore, another piss poor outing ST wise yet Crossman is still here? Edmunds hasnt developed at all and today he had the worst day, imo, of his pro career. Daboll called a terrible game - he doesnt have much to work with thou Allen looked really bad at times- Draft another QB- not sold on this kid. Kyles Mini Me does nothing for me, and KW looks like there is nothing left in the tank Mckenzie just isnt an NFL WR and he scares me on Special Teams Logan Thomas- dropped a sure TD Say goodbye to Clay, Shady, KW, most of the OL, McKenzie, Alexander, Ford, Ivory and Hopefully Crossman. Sounds like you should catch the next patriots bandwagon that comes by Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan_34 Posted December 23, 2018 Author Share Posted December 23, 2018 4 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: Pegulas don't really have a clue what they are doing as you pointed out with how these hires went down. No they dont- its just another shiny new toy for them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihilarian Posted December 23, 2018 Share Posted December 23, 2018 2 minutes ago, apuszczalowski said: Sad thing is, it wont matter if Brady retires or not, he isnt needed to win these games, the Bill's 'offence' cant score against them. It certainly didn't matter that Brady had a worse rating then Allen as Brady had a 48.3, Allen a 52.6. Their stats were similar. The difference in the game was that the Patriots were easily able to run the ball on Buffalo with Michel having a 6.1 YPC average. who had 18 carries for 116 yards, 1 TD. The Patriots also ran the ball 47 times vs Buffalo 18 times despite Ford averaging 4.7 YPC. Bills leading rusher with 7 carries for 33 yards. MEANWHILE, Allen 20 of 41 for 217 yards, 1 TD, 2 INTs. Sure, make the rookie QB carry the offense and throw 41 times in Gillette stadium where no rookie QBs have ever had success. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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billsfan_34 Posted December 23, 2018 Author Share Posted December 23, 2018 Just now, gobills1212 said: Sounds like you should catch the next patriots bandwagon that comes by So if a Posters makes an honest assessment on the team your butt hurt? Let me call the Wambulance for you. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gobills1212 Posted December 23, 2018 Share Posted December 23, 2018 Just now, billsfan_34 said: So if a Posters makes an honest assessment on the team your butt hurt? Let me call the Wambulance for you. Lol, wambulance. Honest how? Id agruge the only person 'butt hurt' here is you and thats what led to this terrible post. Only thing honest about it is that its a perfect example of whats wrong with some fans and their over reactions - both good and bad. Have some context and some levelheaded-ness. You make it sound so terrible that you might just be better off going to a team that seemingly can do no wrong. Was it a good game? No. Was it anywhere near as dire as this post suggests? No. In fact, id hate to see how you react to a REAL problem... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Gun Posted December 23, 2018 Share Posted December 23, 2018 26 minutes ago, billsfan_34 said: You have made some valid points! There are some throws that all QB’s must make, regardless if they are a rookie or not. JOsh’s accuracy is comcerning to me. I am not certain we will get it right in the draft or FA. Im getting the sense this regime is lost. When you hire the HC first then he lobby’s for the GM its just ass backwards and typically teams that do that lose. I will agree the talent pool is low- really low. But as it looks right now Edmunds and Phillips are whiffs. Alot bigger problems with these coaches and players than Allen's accuracy. Get him at least average NFL talent on offense and I'll bet you see his accuracy drastically improve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincec Posted December 23, 2018 Share Posted December 23, 2018 Imagine how bad the OL would be if the Bills didn't have one of the best OL coaches in the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted December 23, 2018 Share Posted December 23, 2018 9 minutes ago, Nihilarian said: It certainly didn't matter that Brady had a worse rating then Allen as Brady had a 48.3, Allen a 52.6. Their stats were similar. The difference in the game was that the Patriots were easily able to run the ball on Buffalo with Michel having a 6.1 YPC average. who had 18 carries for 116 yards, 1 TD. The Patriots also ran the ball 47 times vs Buffalo 18 times despite Ford averaging 4.7 YPC. Bills leading rusher with 7 carries for 33 yards. MEANWHILE, Allen 20 of 41 for 217 yards, 1 TD, 2 INTs. Sure, make the rookie QB carry the offense and throw 41 times in Gillette stadium where no rookie QBs have ever had success. Nothing surprising here. The Pats are smart. They went with the classic "make Josh Allen beat you with his passing" theory, stacked the box, stuffed the run, and shut down the Bills. Still, we would have had a fighting chance if a couple receivers could have made a couple plays on very catchable balls, or even if the Shady of 2014-15 had reemerged and broken a few tackles. But right now, outside of Allen (and Foster on fly routes only so far) we don't have any playmakers. 1 minute ago, Thriftygamer83 said: There is no victories in this whatsoever. Learned point blank Sean McDermott is not on the same intellectual level as Belicheat, Anthony Lynn, Andy Reid, Frank Reich, and or Mike Vrabel. The only real reason he got hired is because Lynn disagrees with affirmative action; where Kim agreed with it, and didn’t want a Coach being called an Uncle Tom. So, she pretty much bypasses all EOE mandates and hired McDermott because he’s a generation apart from Terry as a frat brother. What? This is a new kind of dumb theory. They were afraid to hire a black head coach because he said something about "I want to succeed on merit," so instead they hired a white head coach? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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PUNT750 Posted December 23, 2018 Share Posted December 23, 2018 2 hours ago, LSHMEAB said: I think we can also safely say this front 7 needs a game changer and the notion that the defense is "set" has to be put to bed. We clearly missed Milano, but there were far too many guys either mailing it in or simply not physically up to the challenge. I felt the same about mailing it in. How can we have so many players that can't tackle? Levi Wallace is a joke. Did we make mistakes signing 'Star' and Trent Murphy rather than a free agent guard or tackle?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihilarian Posted December 23, 2018 Share Posted December 23, 2018 (edited) 6 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said: Nothing surprising here. The Pats are smart. They went with the classic "make Josh Allen beat you with his passing" theory, stacked the box, stuffed the run, and shut down the Bills. Still, we would have had a fighting chance if a couple receivers could have made a couple plays on very catchable balls, or even if the Shady of 2014-15 had reemerged and broken a few tackles. But right now, outside of Allen (and Foster on fly routes only so far) we don't have any playmakers. Classic out coaching. With Brady looking so shaky why not do the exact same thing and stack the box to stop the run. My point was though with Ford averaging 4.7 yards per carry why not have him run the ball more then 7 times? The Bills offense only attempted 18 runs vs the Patriots 47 carries. Edited December 23, 2018 by Nihilarian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted December 23, 2018 Share Posted December 23, 2018 Just now, PUNT750 said: I felt the same about mailing it in. How can we have so many players that can't tackle? Levi Wallace is a joke. Did we make mistakes signing 'Star' and Trent Murphy rather than a free agent guard or tackle?? When Levi Wallace is counted on to make tackles, something went wrong up front. But he clearly doesn't have the frame or instincts to stop the run. I'm not a fan of Star or Murphy but I've beaten that horse to death. Just have to live with it because they're not going anywhere. The organization has to have an amazing off season or we'll be looking for a new regime in 2020. It's that simple. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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