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16 minutes ago, PearlHowardman said:

 

Why do 7 out of 10 posters here admit that Josh Allen has a accuracy problem but then turn around and say how great Josh Allen is?  I don't get it.

 

Accuracy isn't something that you teach.

 

:doh:

 

 

Im not sure on this...yeah there are a few throws a game that he would probably want back but a lot of his incompletions are on throwaways, whether he has been instructed to get outside the pocket and if its not there and he can't run to throw it away, or because nobody is open.  

 

Outside of those few throws and the throwaways, most of his balls the last 2 weeks are on the money.

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6 minutes ago, Teddy KGB said:

 

The garbage being Clays drop ? 

 

The treat being Allen carrying the offense all day ?    

 

Are you saying Allen didn’t have a single bad play in today’s game? Of course not because that would be silly and I don’t take you for the being silly type.

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1 minute ago, Bangarang said:

 

A is better than C but B is best.

 

Maybe Whoppi Goldberg can switch them like in Ghost.

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5 minutes ago, PearlHowardman said:

Why do 7 out of 10 posters here admit that Josh Allen has a accuracy problem but then turn around and say how great Josh Allen is?  I don't get it.

 

Accuracy isn't something that you teach.

 

:doh:

 

 

You can teach footwork and body mechanics, which greatly improve accuracy.

Sure, it's not easy to teach a guy in his early-20s to change these things after coming into the NFL.  But it's not completely unheard of.

 

I was not a fan of Allen in college, and would have preferred drafting Josh Rosen. 

But then again, I'm the type that prefers the safer pick, rather than the boom/bust.  I'm also not an NFL scout.

 

It's starting to become pretty apparent what Beane/McDermott saw in Allen.  And you can start to see what his physical talent can do to a defense.  Not every QB is about standing in the pocket and dissecting coverage.  Ben Roethlisberger has two Super Bowl rings and will be a Hall of Famer due to his ability to escape pressure and keep plays alive.  Allen absolutely needs to improve as a passer, but he doesn't need to become Drew Brees or Tom Brady in the accuracy department.  That will never be his game.

 

With that said... the gradual improvements in Allen's passing are very apparent to anyone who as paying attention.

 

 

 

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27 minutes ago, RalphWilson'sNewWar said:

Allen’s success won’t START

until the running STOPS.

 

its fools good.

dont fall for it.

 

he gets the BOTD because he is a Rookie.

 

but his true success won’t START until the running STOPS.

 

First down is a first down and a rushing TD is worth as many points as a passing TD.

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29 minutes ago, RalphWilson'sNewWar said:

Allen’s success won’t START

until the running STOPS.

....

but his true success won’t START until the running STOPS.

I guess you are right.....saying it twice with caps makes it so!

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Like most, I'm encouraged by what I'm seeing out of Allen on the field.  I was a little frustrated by first half play calling today.  I thought there were too many running plays called on early downs.  Miami knew what was coming and had stacked the box to stop it, and they still ran it - too often into a brick wall.

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6 minutes ago, downunderbill said:

 

First down is a first down and a rushing TD is worth as many points as a passing TD.

 

It’s just slowing down the process and taking away the time he needs to analyze a defense, stand in the pocket and deliver the surgeon like throws that you need to win in this league at a Prime Time level.

 

he can keep on running.  He’s good at it.  But it’s just a bandage on the wound, it is slowing him down.

 

but if he wants to go platinum in this league and sit at the top dog table...he will use these four games to stand in the pocket and try some things.  Try to use his brain.  Chess match it up Mr. Allen.

 

 

 

I’d rather him try some throws on 3rd and middle yardage and punt

 

then have him scramble for the first down.

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1 minute ago, RalphWilson'sNewWar said:

 

It’s just slowing down the process and taking away the time he needs to analyze a defense, stand in the pocket and deliver the surgeon like throws that you need to win in this league at a Prime Time level.

 

he can keep on running.  He’s good at it.  But it’s just a bandage on the wound, it is slowing him down.

 

but if he wants to go platinum in this league and sit at the top dog table...he will use these four games to stand in the pocket and try some things.  Try to use his brain.  Chess match it up Mr. Allen.

 

And I agree with you but at the moment that pocket seems to get pretty full pretty quickly. It's not all Allen's fault and it's not all the OL fault. 

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14 minutes ago, Bangarang said:

 

Are you saying Allen didn’t have a single bad play in today’s game? Of course not because that would be silly and I don’t take you for the being silly type.

 

He carried the offense making play after play. 

 

Zay dropped some easy ones.    I don’t see much to criticize do you ? 

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6 minutes ago, RalphWilson'sNewWar said:

 

It’s just slowing down the process and taking away the time he needs to analyze a defense, stand in the pocket and deliver the surgeon like throws that you need to win in this league at a Prime Time level.

 

he can keep on running.  He’s good at it.  But it’s just a bandage on the wound, it is slowing him down.

 

but if he wants to go platinum in this league and sit at the top dog table...he will use these four games to stand in the pocket and try some things.  Try to use his brain.  Chess match it up Mr. Allen.

 

 

 

I’d rather him try some throws on 3rd and middle yardage and punt

 

then have him scramble for the first down.

 

So, in other words.....you want Josh Allen to stop being Josh Allen and stop being the QB that made the Bills draft him.

 

Makes sense.

 

And, silly me, I’ll take a first down over a punt every day of the week.

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4 minutes ago, Teddy KGB said:

 

He carried the offense making play after play. 

 

Zay dropped some easy ones.    I don’t see much to criticize do you ? 

 

He had a bad first half. He got baited on his INT and made a poor throw. I’ve already said he played better in the 2nd half. A mixed bag, like I said.

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46 minutes ago, RalphWilson'sNewWar said:

Allen’s success won’t START

until the running STOPS.

 

its fools good.

dont fall for it.

 

he gets the BOTD because he is a Rookie.

 

but his true success won’t START until the running STOPS.

 

Back to back 100 yard rushing days = stop

that 😩😩🤦🏼‍♂️🤦🏼‍♂️👎🏼

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The roughing call on Tannehill was B.S. The two (non) roughing calls on Allen was also fecal material.

30 minutes ago, jr1 said:

this loss was on all the penalties. He was good

 

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3 minutes ago, Teddy KGB said:

 

Back to back 100 yard rushing days = stop

that 😩😩🤦🏼‍♂️🤦🏼‍♂️👎🏼

Didn’t trade up for a Running Quarterback.

 

Stand in the pocket and deliver.  And in these next four games try some throws.

 

Rather punt while experimenting than immediately running for a first down.

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52 minutes ago, PIZ said:

Someone should really keep track of all the "fans" that continue to doubt that Josh Allen is going to be a stud.

 

 

Too many extremes on the boards today...why can’t people take a “wait and see” approach about labeling him the 2nd coming, while still criticizing his flaws and praising his strengths? Who ever said it had to be all or nothing with some people?

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8 minutes ago, Binghamton Beast said:

 

So, in other words.....you want Josh Allen to stop being Josh Allen and stop being the QB that made the Bills draft him.

 

Makes sense.

 

And, silly me, I’ll take a first down over a punt every day of the week.

 

I need Josh Allen to evolve into something better as soon as possible you bet.

 

we traded up for a QB with many question marks and I want him to work on his throwing. These next four games instead of running.

 

didnt draft him for running.

 

and you took Tyrod running for a billion 1st downs instead of throwing...where’d that get anyone?

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1 minute ago, RalphWilson'sNewWar said:

Didn’t trade up for a Running Quarterback.

 

Stand in the pocket and deliver.  And in these next four games try some throws.

 

Rather punt while experimenting than immediately running for a first down.

 

Your posts are moronic.

 

You’d rather punt than have him run for a first down (better for the team) which would give him more chances to make throws.

 

LOL.

Just now, RalphWilson'sNewWar said:

 

I need Josh Allen to evolve into something better as soon as possible you bet.

 

we traded up for a QB with many question marks and I want him to work on his throwing. These next four games instead of running.

 

didnt draft him for running.

 

and you took Tyrod running for a billion 1st downs instead of throwing...where’d that get anyone?

 

If you are comparing Taylor to Allen you truly are a fool.

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46 minutes ago, PearlHowardman said:

 

Why do 7 out of 10 posters here admit that Josh Allen has a accuracy problem but then turn around and say how great Josh Allen is?  I don't get it.

 

Accuracy isn't something that you teach.

 

:doh:

 

Look up Peyton Manning and Drew Brees first two seasons stats and then look at their later years.  Each improved about 15% over their ist two season pass completion percentage....can't see why Allen can not do it if most others do so.

 

 

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2 minutes ago, Binghamton Beast said:

 

Your posts are moronic.

 

You’d rather punt than have him run for a first down (better for the team) which would give him more chances to make throws.

 

LOL.

 

It might seem moronic.

 

sacraficing the present for the future usually does.

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There is no problem being a running QB.....that is until defenses adjust and then it becomes a problem if Allen can't adjust to playing in the pocket

 

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6 minutes ago, Binghamton Beast said:

 

Your posts are moronic.

 

You’d rather punt than have him run for a first down (better for the team) which would give him more chances to make throws.

 

LOL.

 

If you are comparing Taylor to Allen you truly are a fool.

 

Do Taylor and Allen both sacrifice throwing in favor of running?

2 minutes ago, Cheektowaga Chad said:

There is no problem being a running QB.....that is until defenses adjust and then it becomes a problem if Allen can't adjust to playing in the pocket

 

 

That’s all I’m saying.

 

allen needs to move beyond the running.  It’s only slowing him down and making evaluating him take longer.

 

if he’s not going to stand and Deleiver then it will never get to the level it could go.

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1 hour ago, RalphWilson'sNewWar said:

Allen’s success won’t START

until the running STOPS.

 

its fools good.

dont fall for it.

 

he gets the BOTD because he is a Rookie.

 

but his true success won’t START until the running STOPS.

 

What the hell?!?🤨😳🙄

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1 minute ago, Chandler#81 said:

 

What the hell?!?🤨😳🙄

 

It’s a cousin to the philosophy of Tanking for the better draft pick.

 

A step back in the present for greater gains in the future.

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The game is slowing down for him.  The missed TD to Jones hurt.  The pick was a rookie mistake.  But you can sense the positives the team has when he's out there.  

 

And stop with the accuracy stuff.  Delivered a lot of very nice balls today.

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