Le'Veon Bell Will Sit Out for the Entire 2018 Season

[RaoulDuke79]

2 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

He didn't forfeit any money because he never signed anything to be under contract and he could not be fined for being away. 

Well, there ya go. Thank you. 

[4merper4mer]

Now that Bell cannot play this year and it is a Phaedra Comm Plea that he won't play for Pitt, can teams try to sign him now for next year?  There has to be a loophole in there somewhere.  One of the owners could sign him to a $18 M contract to do promotional appearances which voids if he move away from that city before mid-September 2019.

 

Something weird like this could happen.  I say Redskins; and Snyder hires him as a Washington lobbyist for the team.

[26CornerBlitz]

Agent's Take: What's Next for Le'Veon Bell and the Steelers, Including Seven Potential Suitors for the RB

 

by Joel Corry

 

The Le'Veon Bell saga has finally come to a close for the time being. As a franchise player with an unsigned tender, Bell had until 4 p.m. ET on the Tuesday after Week 10's games to reach an agreement with the Steelers. Bell missed this deadline when he didn't sign an NFL player contract Tuesday, so under NFL rules, he won't play football again until the 2019 season.

 

Bell kept practically everyone in the dark, including his Steelers teammates, about his plans for the season. He alluded to this outcome before the Steelers met the Jaguars in last season's AFC divisional playoffs. Bell indicated he would consider sitting out the season or retiring if given a second franchise tag.

 

It was widely assumed Bell would take the same approach with his $14.544 million franchise tag as last year after an agreement was unable to be reached prior to the mid-July deadline for franchise players to sign long-term deals. The three-time All-Pro didn't sign his franchise tender until Labor Day in 2017.

[row_33]

i've heard several podcasts of football minds saying they honestly don't know the loopholes of the CBA for the NFL, it's far more complex than the NBA, and nobody seems to have definitive answers as guests.

 

 

[Bing Bong]

On 11/10/2018 at 11:18 PM, Buffalo Barbarian said:

good point, hopefully no one gives him what he wants, these players are getting out of control with their demands. This is a team sport and it's hard to have a good team if a few guys are hogging all the money.

 

their really needs to be a position cap so you are not spending 30 million a year on a QB.

These players get screwed over more than any other league financially and hazard their bodies more than any other league.

 

And bring in more money than any other league. I don't understand why we want them to keep getting walked all over. NBA's doing just fine with players running the league. They're happy. And don't tell me it's not a team sport lol. Tennis is not a team sport. Any sport with "teammates" is just as much a team sport as football.

 

The union sucks who TF agrees to a franchise tag?

Edited November 16, 2018 by PetermanThrew5Picks

[row_33]

21 minutes ago, PetermanThrew5Picks said:

These players get screwed over more than any other league financially and hazard their bodies more than any other league.

 

And bring in more money than any other league. I don't understand why we want them to keep getting walked all over. NBA's doing just fine with players running the league. They're happy. And don't tell me it's not a team sport lol. Tennis is not a team sport. Any sport with "teammates" is just as much a team sport as football.

 

The union sucks who TF agrees to a franchise tag?

 

 

the NBA has to declare an "amnesty" on contracts every few years because of the stupidity of the owners.

 

 

[Bing Bong]

6 minutes ago, row_33 said:

 

 

the NBA has to declare an "amnesty" on contracts every few years because of the stupidity of the owners.

 

 

That sucks for the player. Owners are probably ill advised to do it because players wouldn't want to go there. I think only 9 owners have used it? Like the Knicks should definitely amnesty Joakim Noah but are probably aware they're better off waiting him out and landing dat marquee FA for Madison Square Garden for Porzingod

Edited November 16, 2018 by PetermanThrew5Picks

[row_33]

25 minutes ago, PetermanThrew5Picks said:

That sucks for the player. Owners are probably ill advised to do it because players wouldn't want to go there. I think only 9 owners have used it? Like the Knicks should definitely amnesty Joakim Noah but are probably aware they're better off waiting him out and landing dat marquee FA for Madison Square Garden for Porzingod

 

not really, the players have gotten away with "murder on a scale of crime to humanity" with their contracts (so to speak) financially

 

 

[Dopey]

On 11/11/2018 at 10:42 AM, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

Rex would know the feeling.

On 11/11/2018 at 12:46 AM, Buffalo Barbarian said:

 

the NFL is not free market capitalism. There is a cap and if you overlay a few guys the rest of your players are not going to be good enough to do any real winning. There is a reason Brady doesn't maximize his earnings , he wants to win and knows that money is needed elsewhere.

 

 

I call BS on this. The reason is he has a hot wife who earns around $40 mill a year( his family is more than fine). Plus a qb is wrapped in bubble wrap these days, so he knew he would play multiple years making great money. Not the same for RB who is top 5 in touches. RB's get beat to hell and QB's are coddled. Hit one and see what happens.

[Dopey]

On 11/11/2018 at 8:20 AM, The Process said:

I'm not going to work Monday. I don't care that I accepted my salary a year ago. I want more. If I stay out till Thursday with no doctor's note I'll be fired. These spoiled rotten brats piss me off! 

Antonio Brown is making more than Bell, yet Bell touches the ball 3x more than Brown does. Against the defenses front 4, no less. Wr's can't be touched for fear of a fla, but RB's get pummeled. Yea, he's spoiled. 

On 11/12/2018 at 1:16 PM, ndirish1978 said:

He must have messed up thousands of people's fantasy football teams. As someone who no longer plays fantasy football, I find this hilarious.

In our league David Johnson went 1st overall.I took Kamira 2nd overall and Bell went  3rd. I was ridiculed for not taking him. I see how much he has touched the ball over the last few years and steered clear. 

[26CornerBlitz]

 

[26CornerBlitz]

 

[Mr. WEO]

21 hours ago, RaoulDuke79 said:

Does anyone know where the money from Bell's forfeited salary goes? It would be nice if they donated it to a good cause.

 

 

It should go to James Conner.

[26CornerBlitz]

Yes, Odds are Available for Le’Veon Bell’s Next Contract

 

According to Bovada.lv, the money line for a contract over four years is -165 (bet $165 to win $100), and for a contract under four years is +125 (bet $100 to win $125).

 

Take the under (but bet responsibly). Le’Veon Bell will have the leverage to demand a contract that lasts only as long as the full guarantee, similar to the three-year contract signed by quarterback Kirk Cousins in March.

 

The over/under for the contract has been pegged at $64.5 million. Again, take the under; Bell should be able to negotiate a three-year, fully-guaranteed deal in the range of $54 million to $60 million.

 

With the Jets expected to be interested in Bell, and given that the Jets were willing to give Cousins a three-year, fully-guaranteed deal, a three-year fully-guaranteed deal for Bell could be coming.

[The Process]

16 hours ago, Dopey said:

Antonio Brown is making more than Bell, yet Bell touches the ball 3x more than Brown does. Against the defenses front 4, no less. Wr's can't be touched for fear of a fla, but RB's get pummeled. Yea, he's spoiled. 

In our league David Johnson went 1st overall.I took Kamira 2nd overall and Bell went  3rd. I was ridiculed for not taking him. I see how much he has touched the ball over the last few years and steered clear. 

That's dopey logic......

[26CornerBlitz]

Don't Judge Le'Veon Yet: How Bell Could Change Old NFL Thinking

 

Dan Graziano, ESPN Staff Writer

 

Think what you will about Le'Veon Bell's decision to sit out the season in pursuit of free-agent riches, but the key word there is "think."

 

It's tempting right now to retreat to your corner and settle into some insta-conclusion supported by decades of old, established NFL thinking: Bell's crazy. He overplayed his hand. He'll never get what he's looking for. He quit on his team. The Steelers are doing just fine without him. It's silly to pay running backs.

 

The facts are that this thing isn't over yet, that we can't see the future, and that no final conclusions about Bell's gambit can be made until March, when we find out what kind of free-agent contract he ends up getting. If he gets a Todd Gurley-style megadeal, then this was all worth it. But if he has to take a one-year, "prove-it" deal because not enough teams are interested, then this was a huge mistake. We don't and can't know the outcome yet.

[Mr. WEO]

On November 16, 2018 at 11:25 AM, PetermanThrew5Picks said:

These players get screwed over more than any other league financially and hazard their bodies more than any other league.

 

And bring in more money than any other league. I don't understand why we want them to keep getting walked all over. NBA's doing just fine with players running the league. They're happy. And don't tell me it's not a team sport lol. Tennis is not a team sport. Any sport with "teammates" is just as much a team sport as football.

 

The union sucks who TF agrees to a franchise tag?

 

 

The players loved the franchise tag when it came out.

 

Bell is getting "walked all over".....by getting large offers (reportedly of 70 million/5 years, 45 million/3 years) and turning them down?  Because he wants to be "made happy and satisfied"?  

 

Here is a multiply suspended, high milage RB who simply thinks he is worth as much as the highest paid RB in the league.  His current team disagrees.  In the NFL, he has to know how this works---especially for RBs.

 

The ones who are getting walked over are, I'd say at least 40 of the other 42 guys on the Steelers roster (most of all, the guy who has easily replaced Bell) who are playing for a much smaller fraction of the cap than Bell wants for himself, when it can persuasively argued that he's not worth it.

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

8 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

The players loved the franchise tag when it came out.

 

Bell is getting "walked all over".....by getting large offers (reportedly of 70 million/5 years, 45 million/3 years) and turning them down?  Because he wants to be "made happy and satisfied"?  

 

Here is a multiply suspended, high milage RB who simply thinks he is worth as much as the highest paid RB in the league.  His current team disagrees.  In the NFL, he has to know how this works---especially for RBs.

 

The ones who are getting walked over are, I'd say at least 40 of the other 42 guys on the Steelers roster (most of all, the guy who has easily replaced Bell) who are playing for a much smaller fraction of the cap than Bell wants for himself, when it can persuasively argued that he's not worth it.

 

...nicely done my friend.....why not "take what you can while you can get it"?.........remember Shaun Alexander at the top of his game landing a huge (at that time) extension, only to go down hill thereafter?.....could that have been somewhat the initial wake up call about RB mega extensions (sure others have happened)?...........

Edited November 17, 2018 by OldTimeAFLGuy

[Mr. WEO]

11 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

...nicely done my friend.....why not "take what you can while you can get it"?.........remember Shaun Alexander at the top of his game landing a huge (at that time) extension, only to go down hill thereafter?.....could that have been somewhat the initial wake up call about RB mega extensions (sure others have happened)?...........

 

Yes.. The market sets the price for all players new contracts.  No different for Bell.   Why would anyone argue his case is special?  He is exercising all of his rights to accept deals, turn them down, sign contracts or not.

 

I really don't get how he is being screwed over here.

[Bing Bong]

43 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

The players loved the franchise tag when it came out.

 

Bell is getting "walked all over".....by getting large offers (reportedly of 70 million/5 years, 45 million/3 years) and turning them down?  Because he wants to be "made happy and satisfied"?  

 

Here is a multiply suspended, high milage RB who simply thinks he is worth as much as the highest paid RB in the league.  His current team disagrees.  In the NFL, he has to know how this works---especially for RBs.

 

The ones who are getting walked over are, I'd say at least 40 of the other 42 guys on the Steelers roster (most of all, the guy who has easily replaced Bell) who are playing for a much smaller fraction of the cap than Bell wants for himself, when it can persuasively argued that he's not worth it.

I'm talking about all the NFL players. But Bell can do whatever he wants. No one's "winning". Sucks for the Steelers not having RB depth and another weapon given Connor was in concussion protocol. Sucks Bell has to sit out a year without pay. I think both sides were too petty as I see former NFL players baffled at the situation. They can't fathom resenting teammates over money, they're all in it together: co-workers.

 

Doesn't happen in other leagues. Imagine the top basketball or baseball players sitting out a year over a contract. They get shipped out via trade or cut.. but they can always play every year when healthy.

 

Bell's not playing behind this offensive line that keeps making backhanded comments towards him. Screw that haha that's a runningback's nightmare if you have any suspicion your OL aren't trying to protect you.

 

Look at what Jimmy Butler was able to do in the NBA. We can argue till the cows go home who is in the right.. Steelers/Timberwolves? Bell/Butler? At the end of the day one league allowed that top player to play and the other doesn't... And it didn't make any difference to the teams they both lost a player. But Butler gets to get out and Bell has to stay?? WHY did the Steelers hang on to him? Simply because they could. That's really bizarre man.

 

I don't think the players foresaw how the franchise tag would be used: to hold up stars from hitting a proper free agency market rather than to give middling players more money in a season than they might get in their whole careers.

Edited November 17, 2018 by PetermanThrew5Picks

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

5 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

Yes.. The market sets the price for all players new contracts.  No different for Bell.   Why would anyone argue his case is special?  He is exercising all of his rights to accept deals, turn them down, sign contracts or not.

 

I really don't get how he is being screwed over here.

 

...agree bud...STILL think he's screwing himself.......pretty sure the Steelers offered him $30 mil guaranteed....sure Gurley got more, but he's younger.....Bell reminds me of Latrell Spreewell.....Timberwolves offered him $14 mil/yr and he said it was an insult..."I've got a family to feed"......all holdings were foreclosed and he lost everything......doubt Merrill Lynch hired 'em......best and the brightest?....hmmmm.......

[Mr. WEO]

12 minutes ago, PetermanThrew5Picks said:

I'm talking about all the NFL players. But Bell can do whatever he wants. No one's "winning". Sucks for the Steelers not having RB depth and another weapon given Connor was in concussion protocol. Sucks Bell has to sit out a year without pay. I think both sides were too petty as I see former NFL players baffled at the situation. They can't fathom resenting teammates over money, they're all in it together: co-workers.

 

Doesn't happen in other leagues. Imagine the top basketball or baseball players sitting out a year over a contract. They get shipped out via trade or cut.. but they can always play every year when healthy.

 

Bell's not playing behind this offensive line that keeps making backhanded comments towards him. Screw that haha that's a runningback's nightmare if you have any suspicion your OL aren't trying to protect you.

 

Look at what Jimmy Butler was able to do in the NBA. We can argue till the cows go home who is in the right.. Steelers/Timberwolves? Bell/Butler? At the end of the day one league allowed that top player to play and the other doesn't... And it didn't make any difference to the teams they both lost a player. But Butler gets to get out and Bell has to stay?? WHY did the Steelers hang on to him? Simply because they could. That's really bizarre man.

 

 

Why do you keep saying Bell "has to sit out for a year without pay"? Or that he could not "play every year when healthy"?  Or that the NFL didn't "allow" Bell to play?

 

The Steelers tried twice this past year to sign him to a long term deal. He REFUSED their offers.  Then they offered him 14.5 million to play this year.  He REFUSED to sign yet again.

 

Butler, one year after being traded to the Timberwolves, said he didn't want to play for them.  He acted out like a baby.....but he PLAYED in 10 of their first 13 games before getting traded to the 76ers.  The T-Wolves didn't have to trade him.

 

You have no idea what you are talking about here.

 

 

[Bing Bong]

15 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

Why do you keep saying Bell "has to sit out for a year without pay"? Or that he could not "play every year when healthy"?  Or that the NFL didn't "allow" Bell to play?

 

The Steelers tried twice this past year to sign him to a long term deal. He REFUSED their offers.  Then they offered him 14.5 million to play this year.  He REFUSED to sign yet again.

 

Butler, one year after being traded to the Timberwolves, said he didn't want to play for them.  He acted out like a baby.....but he PLAYED in 10 of their first 13 games before getting traded to the 76ers.  The T-Wolves didn't have to trade him.

 

You have no idea what you are talking about here. thanks

 

 

Bell wasn't allowed to hit free agency. You said he thought he was worth more and the Steelers disagreed. Why wasn't he able to know what the LEAGUE thought.

 

Butler wasn't at the end of his contract and he has more freedom than a dude that completed his contractual obligation in another league. I know what happened to Butler lol. Do you not understand the difference between these two? They're in different leaaaaaaaaaaagues

 

Do you understand what I'm saying lol

 

I know what I'm talking about because it's so simple. There are two players. At odds with their team. Want to get out. One has finished his contract. One hasn't. Knowing that information would you guess which one would have more leverage? No. Because NFL and NBA treat players differently. IMO the NFL is pretty crappy with theirs and the union sucks donkey.

Edited November 17, 2018 by PetermanThrew5Picks

[26CornerBlitz]

Marcus Mariota = $100 million man? Plus, Le'Veon Bell's value

 

By Bucky Brooks, NFL.com Analyst

 

Former NFL player and scout Bucky Brooks knows the ins and outs of this league, providing keen insight in his notebook. The topics of this edition include:

 

-- Why the Steelers' Super Bowl hopes just took a serious hit.

 

STEELERS WITHOUT BELL: Pittsburgh's title chances just decreased

 

Don't let the numbers fool you: The Steelers' chances of winning Super Bowl LIII took a hit when Le'Veon Bell decided to pass on signing the franchise tag this week, effectively ending his season before it started. Despite James Conner capably filling in as the team's RB1, he's not No. 26 -- and the Steelers' offense will miss the two-time All-Pro when the games get bigger down the stretch.

 

You can call me a hater in my Twitter mentions or fill my inbox with countless statistics and data suggesting otherwise, but Pittsburgh's offense will be easier to defend in December/January. The loss of Bell will cost the Steelers dearly when they play pivotal games down the stretch and in the postseason.

 

Don't get me wrong: I certainly appreciate and respect what Conner has done as the team's fill-in RB1. Not only has he posted better numbers through nine games than Bell ever has before (in scrimmage yards, rushing touchdowns and scrimmage touchdowns), but he's on pace to surpass the 2,000-yard mark in scrimmage yards this season. That's unbelievable production from a backup, but it doesn't necessarily mean he's a transcendent talent at the position who forces opponents to change how they defend Pittsburgh's offense, particularly when coaches hone in on strengths and weaknesses during stretch runs.

 

"Conner is more of a one-trick pony," said a former NFL defensive coordinator who faced Bell multiple times over the past few seasons. "He is a grinder. He can punish you on inside runs and flashes a little wiggle, but he is not a home run hitter. He wears you down over time. ... He's been productive in the passing game, but he's not a playmaker on the perimeter. You don't need to worry about him winning one-on-ones against your linebackers and defensive backs in space. He's solid, but he's not the same kind of player as Bell."

[Stank_Nasty]

How many backups need to come in a tear it up there before people realize it may just be the guys up front and the talent around them that make the rb what they are in PITT

 

deangelo Williams came in during his 30’s and ripped it up in replacement of bell in the past. Now Conner is out producing the guy? 

 

Overrated much??? Have fun with that “patient” running style behind a line of a team that can afford you. He couldn’t have been in a better situation to succeed. Guy is in for a rude awakening.... but at least he’ll have his money. 

[wppete]

Another agent taking advantage of a player. 

[Returntoglory]

1 hour ago, PetermanThrew5Picks said:

I'm talking about all the NFL players. But Bell can do whatever he wants. No one's "winning". Sucks for the Steelers not having RB depth and another weapon given Connor was in concussion protocol. Sucks Bell has to sit out a year without pay. I think both sides were too petty as I see former NFL players baffled at the situation. They can't fathom resenting teammates over money, they're all in it together: co-workers.

 

Doesn't happen in other leagues. Imagine the top basketball or baseball players sitting out a year over a contract. They get shipped out via trade or cut.. but they can always play every year when healthy.

 

Bell's not playing behind this offensive line that keeps making backhanded comments towards him. Screw that haha that's a runningback's nightmare if you have any suspicion your OL aren't trying to protect you.

 

Look at what Jimmy Butler was able to do in the NBA. We can argue till the cows go home who is in the right.. Steelers/Timberwolves? Bell/Butler? At the end of the day one league allowed that top player to play and the other doesn't... And it didn't make any difference to the teams they both lost a player. But Butler gets to get out and Bell has to stay?? WHY did the Steelers hang on to him? Simply because they could. That's really bizarre man.

 

I don't think the players foresaw how the franchise tag would be used: to hold up stars from hitting a proper free agency market rather than to give middling players more money in a season than they might get in their whole careers.

Bell didn't "Have to sit out" he chose to do so. His workload would have been less had he come back do to the emergence of Connor.  He F'd up and time will show that to be the case. 

[Mr. WEO]

5 hours ago, PetermanThrew5Picks said:

Bell wasn't allowed to hit free agency. You said he thought he was worth more and the Steelers disagreed. Why wasn't he able to know what the LEAGUE thought.

 

Butler wasn't at the end of his contract and he has more freedom than a dude that completed his contractual obligation in another league. I know what happened to Butler lol. Do you not understand the difference between these two? They're in different leaaaaaaaaaaagues

 

Do you understand what I'm saying lol

 

I know what I'm talking about because it's so simple. There are two players. At odds with their team. Want to get out. One has finished his contract. One hasn't. Knowing that information would you guess which one would have more leverage? No. Because NFL and NBA treat players differently. IMO the NFL is pretty crappy with theirs and the union sucks donkey.

 

Simple. Because his rights belonged to the Steelers.  That's how it has worked for many years now.  It's the same reason that Butler couldn't "hit free agency"---because he was still under contract.  

 

Butler wasn't free to test the market until next season.  He was bound to play for the T-wolves, or sit out and wait until next year. He chose to play.  They chose to get rid of him (that's not really "freedom").  His 'leverage" was being an expensive baby who they felt wasn't worth the trouble.  This guy will bounce around the league for the rest of his career.

 

Bell could had played for his highest salary ever,  or held out and waited until next year.  He chose to sit out.     

 

So you really aren't making any sense now.

 

The franchise tag the players had no problems with--in fact, since i only affects 6-10 players a year, I bet most of the players really don't give a sh--t about it and Bell's "stand".  92% of NFL roster members will never have the luxury to turn down 14.5 million for a single season.  This is a total nonissue.

 

[Mr. WEO]

4 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

Marcus Mariota = $100 million man? Plus, Le'Veon Bell's value

 

By Bucky Brooks, NFL.com Analyst

 

Former NFL player and scout Bucky Brooks knows the ins and outs of this league, providing keen insight in his notebook. The topics of this edition include:

 

-- Why the Steelers' Super Bowl hopes just took a serious hit.

 

STEELERS WITHOUT BELL: Pittsburgh's title chances just decreased

 

Don't let the numbers fool you: The Steelers' chances of winning Super Bowl LIII took a hit when Le'Veon Bell decided to pass on signing the franchise tag this week, effectively ending his season before it started. Despite James Conner capably filling in as the team's RB1, he's not No. 26 -- and the Steelers' offense will miss the two-time All-Pro when the games get bigger down the stretch.

 

You can call me a hater in my Twitter mentions or fill my inbox with countless statistics and data suggesting otherwise, but Pittsburgh's offense will be easier to defend in December/January. The loss of Bell will cost the Steelers dearly when they play pivotal games down the stretch and in the postseason.

 

Don't get me wrong: I certainly appreciate and respect what Conner has done as the team's fill-in RB1. Not only has he posted better numbers through nine games than Bell ever has before (in scrimmage yards, rushing touchdowns and scrimmage touchdowns), but he's on pace to surpass the 2,000-yard mark in scrimmage yards this season. That's unbelievable production from a backup, but it doesn't necessarily mean he's a transcendent talent at the position who forces opponents to change how they defend Pittsburgh's offense, particularly when coaches hone in on strengths and weaknesses during stretch runs.

 

"Conner is more of a one-trick pony," said a former NFL defensive coordinator who faced Bell multiple times over the past few seasons. "He is a grinder. He can punish you on inside runs and flashes a little wiggle, but he is not a home run hitter. He wears you down over time. ... He's been productive in the passing game, but he's not a playmaker on the perimeter. You don't need to worry about him winning one-on-ones against your linebackers and defensive backs in space. He's solid, but he's not the same kind of player as Bell."

 

Brooks coming to the Bell holdout chat party with a super hot take about 2 weeks too late.

 

The bolded part is the best--one trick pony"!  Then he goes on to describe how Conner is better this year to date than Bell has been to the same point in any season...lol.

 

Then he goes on to say that teams don't have to change how teams defend against the Steelers. This as they won 6 of the last 7 games and just destroyed one of the best teams and defenses in the NFC.  

 

Forgetting the fact that Bell has played in zero SBs in his 5 seasons, it's a bit silly, seeing how they are playing now, to NOW claim that "The Steelers' chances of winning Super Bowl LIII took a hit when Le'Veon Bell decided to pass on signing the franchise tag"

 

Doofus.

[KD in CA]

5 hours ago, PetermanThrew5Picks said:

Bell wasn't allowed to hit free agency. You said he thought he was worth more and the Steelers disagreed. Why wasn't he able to know what the LEAGUE thought.

 

Butler wasn't at the end of his contract and he has more freedom than a dude that completed his contractual obligation in another league. I know what happened to Butler lol. Do you not understand the difference between these two? They're in different leaaaaaaaaaaagues

 

Do you understand what I'm saying lol

 

I know what I'm talking about because it's so simple. There are two players. At odds with their team. Want to get out. One has finished his contract. One hasn't. Knowing that information would you guess which one would have more leverage? No. Because NFL and NBA treat players differently. IMO the NFL is pretty crappy with theirs and the union sucks donkey.

 

Do YOU understand what you are saying??

 

Bell has not in fact, completed his contractual obligation to the Steelers.  His contract included the right of the other party to retain his services for this year.  That's part of his contractual obligation.

[Bing Bong]

9 minutes ago, KD in CA said:

 

Do YOU understand what you are saying??

 

Bell has not in fact, completed his contractual obligation to the Steelers.  His contract included the right of the other party to retain his services for this year.  That's part of his contractual obligation.

He's 26 and can hit the FA if not for the franchise tag. If you'll call the possibility of a franchise tag that can go for any player that's of his status a contractual obligation than.. agree to disagree. But we both understand what happened. 

 

If Bell was average he'd have hit free agency and not be tagged. Makes a lot of sense ?. I understand the narrative you want.. but what happened to Robert Woods?? Huh he hit free agency! Weird! 

53 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

Simple. Because his rights belonged to the Steelers.  That's how it has worked for many years now.  It's the same reason that Butler couldn't "hit free agency"---because he was still under contract.  

Yeah that's exactly what I said. Why does Bell's rights belong to the Steelers ? they tagged him. He completed his rookie contract. Idc what he gets, what happens. But he didn't need to sit out a year because he was good enough to merit a tag.

4 hours ago, Returntoglory said:

Bell didn't "Have to sit out" he chose to do so. His workload would have been less had he come back do to the emergence of Connor.  He F'd up and time will show that to be the case. 

Who cares. He doesn't want to play for the Steelers. If y'all had a burning desire he would play for the Steelers cool. Come out and say it. He wanted out and was forced to stay. Call me a neutral fan that prefers to see the best players in the league play a season. Doesn't happen in other leagues.

Edited November 18, 2018 by PetermanThrew5Picks

[KD in CA]

Just now, PetermanThrew5Picks said:

He's 26 and can hit the FA if not for the franchise tag. If you'll call the possibility of a franchise tag that can go for any player that's of his status a contractual obligation than.. agree to disagree. But we both understand what happened. 

 

If Bell sucked he'd have hit free agents and not be tagged. Makes a lot of sense ?. I understand the narrative you want.. but what happened to Robert Woods?? Huh he hit free agency! Weird! 

 

It's not a narrative you nitwit, it's called contract law.   

 

What do you want to "agree to disagree" on?  That you don't understand the franchise tag is part of his contract?   Or that you don't understand contract terms sometimes provide options for one or both parties?  Or that you just have a need to ignore reality so you can continue to stomp your feet like a child on behalf of some douchey football player?   This is the most laughable attempt at a crusade on this board in a while.

[Bing Bong]

7 minutes ago, KD in CA said:

 

It's not a narrative you nitwit, it's called contract law.   

 

What do you want to "agree to disagree" on?  That you don't understand the franchise tag is part of his contract?   Or that you don't understand contract terms sometimes provide options for one or both parties?  Or that you just have a need to ignore reality so you can continue to stomp your feet like a child on behalf of some douchey football player?   This is the most laughable attempt at a crusade on this board in a while.

I'm saying the franchise tag sucks and your point is he plays in a league with a franchise tag... Huh. Maybe that's where we disagree lol

 

I really gotta dumb it down for you geniuses

Edited November 18, 2018 by PetermanThrew5Picks

[KD in CA]

Just now, PetermanThrew5Picks said:

I'm saying the franchise tag sucks and your point is he plays in a league with a franchise tag... Huh.

 

No, what you're saying is he has "completed his contractual obligation" or he has "finished his contract" which is 100%, flat-out wrong.  And the sob story Bell was somehow forced into sitting out this year is likewise BS.

 

If you think the franchise tag is unfair, fine.  Say that and articulate why you think all players should reach UFA after four years, and spare the rest of the nonsense.

[Bing Bong]

2 minutes ago, KD in CA said:

 

No, what you're saying is he has "completed his contractual obligation" or he has "finished his contract" which is 100%, flat-out wrong.  And the sob story Bell was somehow forced into sitting out this year is likewise BS.

 

If you think the franchise tag is unfair, fine.  Say that and articulate why you think all players should reach UFA after four years, and spare the rest of the nonsense.

Franchise tag was literally what I started with before you hopped on to my last post lol

[Mr. WEO]

21 minutes ago, PetermanThrew5Picks said:

I'm saying the franchise tag sucks and your point is he plays in a league with a franchise tag... Huh. Maybe that's where we disagree lol

 

I really gotta dumb it down for you geniuses

 

4 minutes ago, PetermanThrew5Picks said:

Franchise tag was literally what I started with before you hopped on to my last post lol

 

You completely misunderstood what the franchise tag means.  You made a totally incorrect comparison, full of factual errors, to Jimmy Butler and the NBA to make whatever point you are really struggling to make....

 

......and "y'all" are gonna "dumb it down" for the rest of us.

 

I have to say, I'm not sure how you be able to dumb down your thoughts any further....

[NoSaint]

8 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

You completely misunderstood what the franchise tag means.  You made a totally incorrect comparison, full of factual errors, to Jimmy Butler and the NBA to make whatever point you are really struggling to make....

 

......and "y'all" are gonna "dumb it down" for the rest of us.

 

I have to say, I'm not sure how you be able to dumb down your thoughts any further....

 

Amd somehow even this dude figured out peterman before coach could 

[KD in CA]

11 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

You completely misunderstood what the franchise tag means.  You made a totally incorrect comparison, full of factual errors, to Jimmy Butler and the NBA to make whatever point you are really struggling to make....

 

......and "y'all" are gonna "dumb it down" for the rest of us.

 

I have to say, I'm not sure how you be able to dumb down your thoughts any further....

 

Yet I feel confident that he will try.  Repeatedly.

20 minutes ago, PetermanThrew5Picks said:

Franchise tag was literally what I started with before you hopped on to my last post lol

 

You mean the one (actually it was 3) where you demonstrated that you are too stupid to understand the concept of a contract?   'lol' is right.

[Bing Bong]

23 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

You completely misunderstood what the franchise tag means.  You made a totally incorrect comparison, full of factual errors, to Jimmy Butler and the NBA to make whatever point you are really struggling to make....

 

......and "y'all" are gonna "dumb it down" for the rest of us.

 

I have to say, I'm not sure how you be able to dumb down your thoughts any further....

I'm struggling to make you understand why I don't like the NFL contracts or the franchise tag. I don't doubt the existence of it. This started with me saying NFL players are getting screwed and you questioning why.

 

You're team owners I guess, I'm team players. That's all this boils down to and is tiresome otherwise to listen to y'all nitpick a point I'm bringing up with someone else. Sorry I brought up Jimmy Butler I guess. You can't listen to a comparison if it's not the exact same situation as to Bell's. A little difficult because it's literally never happened before. How about I leave it with it hasn't happened in other leagues lol. Happy?

10 minutes ago, KD in CA said:

 

Yet I feel confident that he will try.  Repeatedly.

 

You mean the one (actually it was 3) where you demonstrated that you are too stupid to understand the concept of a contract?   'lol' is right.

I said NFL contracts suck. Simple sentences going forward. Discuss. NFL contracts. Good or bad.

 

Hint: it's an OPINION.

Edited November 18, 2018 by PetermanThrew5Picks

[Mr. WEO]

3 hours ago, NoSaint said:

 

Amd somehow even this dude figured out peterman before coach could 

 

Oh zing!