Augie Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 (edited) 4 minutes ago, twoandfourteen said: You miss the point. The ENTIRE McD philosophy and approach was backwards and broken from the very start. ...you miss the point ...that’s in your opinion. I don’t approve of a lot, but there is some good stuff that I think may take us forward. Edited November 5, 2018 by Augie 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luka Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 (edited) 4 minutes ago, twoandfourteen said: You miss the point. The ENTIRE McD philosophy and approach was backwards and broken from the very start. His philosophy isn't broken but they might want to seriously consider finding scouts that can assess offensive players as well as they can defensive players. Edited November 5, 2018 by Luka Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 38 minutes ago, jrober38 said: Bills Offensive Moves with McDermott as HC. - trade Sammy Watkins for 2nd round pick - signed Vlad Ducasse, Patrick DiMarco & Andre Holmes - don't pick Mahomes or Watson, trade out of the #10 spot - trade up for Zay Jones - draft Dion Dawkins - sign Anquan Boldin - trade 3rd round pick for Kelvin Benjamin - bench Tyrod Taylor so Nate Peterman can play - trade Cordy Glenn and a 1st round pick to move up in the draft - trade Tyrod Taylor - sign Chris Ivory - trade 1st rounder and two 2nds for Josh Allen - sign Jeremy Kerley - trade for Cory Coleman - cut Cory Coleman - start Nate Peterman as QB1 - trade AJ McCarron for 5th round pick - sign Derek Anderson - sign Terrell Pryor How has McDermott earned another year to try and fix the offense? This is their OL, their group of QBs, their RBs, and their WRs, and the offense is scoring 10.6 PPG. You forgot cut Kerley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted November 5, 2018 Author Share Posted November 5, 2018 3 minutes ago, Augie said: It’s only whining if you only post the negative. I’m not blindly positive, but I see both sides. Did we clear cap? Yes. Do we have a healthy draft outlook? Yes. Did we pay Sammy $16 mil per year to be a distant third in catches, and 4th in TD’s? No. BALANCE people, see the good with the bad. I don't necessarily see those things as positives given who is making the decisions. We have a bunch of cap. Who cares? There are 10 teams in the NFL with more than $60 mil in cap space. The top 5 teams are all in similar cap situations to ours, and they all have the same needs for OL and WR help. Having draft picks is nice, but if this regime has shown anything it's that they don't value them, often trading them away for picks or players so they can get their guy, often paying too much along the way. All of the guys they've singled out through trades simply have not performed, and the list of guys they've added at WR has been particularly disturbing. This regime has made it clear they value character over talent. McDermott preaches culture, and getting things going the right way, and the result is that we have one of the least athletic offenses in the league. Our OL can't block a screen pass, and our WRs can do nothing but run crossing routes because they're devoid of speed. There's nothing about our approach to free agents or the draft that suggests we have any edge on the competition. We're still drafting the old school way and don't seem to be using any advanced analytics on the offensive side of the ball which is a huge problem in my eyes. 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luka Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 2 minutes ago, Peter said: By previous regime, you mean Whaley. The interesting thing is that both you guys could be correct. I agree that we gave up way too much to trade up for Sammy - especially given what they gave up to relative to what the Dolphins gave up the prior year - the Dolphins gave up less to move up more spots. Having said that, trading Sammy for what we got for him proved not to be a good deal. I hate it when my teams buy high and sell low. Watkins would still be doing nothing in Buffalo. Allen might have gotten a few deep balls to him but that's about it. And with how terrible all the other receivers are, he'd be easy to double cover. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ol Dirty B Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 11 minutes ago, Phil The Thrill said: No they can say what they want, but statements like “Beane should be fired” are just futile because it’s not going to happen. I mean all our statements on here are relatively futile. I get your point though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil The Thrill Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 1 minute ago, Ol Dirty B said: I mean all our statements on here are relatively futile. I get your point though. Thanks?? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted November 5, 2018 Author Share Posted November 5, 2018 8 minutes ago, BillsEnthusiast said: Sammy Watkins is still easily the best WR we'd have on our roster. He's not a #1 in KC, but he would be for half the teams in the NFL. Zay Jones is not a #2. He's a #4/#5 guy on half the teams in the NFL. He's slow, struggles against man coverage, and offers nothing on special teams. He's only on the field because we don't have anything better. Benjamin was a terrible trade. A big slow receiver coming out of college who hadn't produced since his rookie season and can't separate. The moves they've made on the OL, and at WR, have been awful. We're scoring 10.6 PPG because those two spots are so bad relative to the rest of the league. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formerly Allan in MD Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 26 minutes ago, KOKO NFL said: You mean Brandon Beane. Apparently he doesn't. They must all look the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Luka said: Watkins would still be doing nothing in Buffalo. Allen might have gotten a few deep balls to him but that's about it. And with how terrible all the other receivers are, he'd be easy to double cover. It is the chicken and the egg. Did Sammy underperform because of the QBs we had? He still would be head and shoulders better than each WR we have on the team now. This regime managed to get rid of or make no attempt to keep some darn good receivers: Sammy Robert Woods Marquise Goodwin. This regime also made no attempt to keep our prior outstanding WR coach Sanjay Lal or our outstanding offensive line coach Aaron Kromer. Instead McCoach decided to keep the absolute worst coach on the prior staff for reasons we can only guess. Edited November 5, 2018 by Peter 5 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 The offense is terrible. That’s painfully obvious. I’ll give them another year to work on that, then judge. If you’re NOT willing to do that, I suggest taking a sabbatical rather than whine yourself or the rest of us to death. If you hate it that much, just go away. Reasonable and thoughtful criticism is of course part of a healthy discussion. Unfortunately, most of this is just repetitive whining, and not at all creative or thoughtful. I know, I’m trying to hold back a tsunami with a sandpail, but I’ve said my piece. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bing Bong Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 You forgot Tolbert! Come on man! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McNubbins Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 Where's the gofundme page for the billboard? ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luka Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 1 minute ago, Peter said: It is the chicken and the egg. Did Sammy underperform because of the QBs we had? He still would be head and shoulders better than each WR we have on the team now. This regime managed to get rid of or make no attempt to keep some darn good receivers: Sammy Robert Woods Marquis Goodwin. This regime also made no attempt to keep our prior outstanding WR coach Sanjay Lal or our outstanding offensive line coach Aaron Kromer. Instead McCoach decided to keep the absolute worst coach on the prior staff for reasons we can only guess. It has nothing to do with chickens. The guy is one dimensional, always has been, always will be. Woods leaving was the worst. He was the best all around receiver on the team. Blocking, catching, route running, effort. Goodwin was a surprise to me when he left, he couldn't catch a cold in Buffalo. Sammy was wide receiver #3 in the most prolific offense last year with the Rams. This year is more of the same with KC, although he is probably on pace to have his best year, in his 6th season with his 3rd team. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bing Bong Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 2 minutes ago, Luka said: It has nothing to do with chickens. The guy is one dimensional, always has been, always will be. Woods leaving was the worst. He was the best all around receiver on the team. Blocking, catching, route running, effort. Goodwin was a surprise to me when he left, he couldn't catch a cold in Buffalo. Sammy was wide receiver #3 in the most prolific offense last year with the Rams. This year is more of the same with KC, although he is probably on pace to have his best year, in his 6th season with his 3rd team. I loved and still love Sammy's game. Surprised he didn't get more numbers post Bills but I saw the Ram's offense rarely throw deep (Sammy), and Goff was getting his feet wet throwing to Woods and Cupp midrange, fantastic route runners. Not to mention Gurley's giant usage rate (800 yards receiving to boot). and the Chiefs offense is so damn good Sammy just really is #3. Butt I guess in retrospect the trade should have been made. He had one more year, and was malcontent to the point it didn't seem likely he'd stay, and a second and EJ Gaines is a great haul. That said, given Tyrod's obvious chemistry with Sammy I think we beat the Jags absolutely and go to the divisional round (would be amazing).. and idk man I'd take that if I had to choose between the trade and divisional playoff football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Lightning Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 1 hour ago, Boca BIlls said: Allen is his and Beane's QB. They need another year so see what they can do with this amount of cap space and 10 draft picks. Playoffs 2019 or fired. They don't need to make the playoffs next year to keep their jobs. If there is any Indication that Allen is the real deal they'll stick. 22 minutes ago, Luka said: It has nothing to do with chickens. The guy is one dimensional, always has been, always will be. Woods leaving was the worst. He was the best all around receiver on the team. Blocking, catching, route running, effort. Goodwin was a surprise to me when he left, he couldn't catch a cold in Buffalo. Sammy was wide receiver #3 in the most prolific offense last year with the Rams. This year is more of the same with KC, although he is probably on pace to have his best year, in his 6th season with his 3rd team. Pretty much nailed it. Agreed. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luka Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 10 minutes ago, PetermanThrew5Picks said: I loved and still love Sammy's game. Surprised he didn't get more numbers post Bills but I saw the Ram's offense rarely throw deep (Sammy), and Goff was getting his feet wet throwing to Woods and Cupp midrange, fantastic route runners. Not to mention Gurley's giant usage rate (800 yards receiving to boot). and the Chiefs offense is so damn good Sammy just really is #3. Butt I guess in retrospect the trade should have been made. He had one more year, and was malcontent to the point it didn't seem likely he'd stay, and a second and EJ Gaines is a great haul. That said, given Tyrod's obvious chemistry with Sammy I think we beat the Jags absolutely and go to the divisional round (would be amazing).. and idk man I'd take that if I had to choose between the trade and divisional playoff football. He was always a gadget player and deep threat. Problem was when he got to the NFL he couldn't break tackles and juke defenders like he could in the ACC (imagine that.) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straight Hucklebuck Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 Well we could go all-in on McDermott’s philosophy. Use most of the 10 draft picks and $80MM on defense. See if we can build a defense that only allows 10 ppg. Now chained to this offense we’d be 4-5 with only 10 ppg allowed (which is the best defense ever) but we’d be able to play the field position and play complimentary football just like McDermott wants. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bing Bong Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 14 minutes ago, Luka said: He was always a gadget player and deep threat. Problem was when he got to the NFL he couldn't break tackles and juke defenders like he could in the ACC (imagine that.) Yeah.. and he doesn't like contact. But I'd point out most great NFL receivers were in gadget plays. These are gadget offenses getting the ball to their best (future NFL 1st rounder) player quickly and easily. Hopkins played the same role I'd wager Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yungmack Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 1 hour ago, BillsEnthusiast said: Because luckily Pegula and co have more patience than idiots on the internet Learn to be less nasty. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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