Nelius Posted October 27, 2018 Share Posted October 27, 2018 On 10/25/2018 at 9:28 AM, dave mcbride said: No, the Bills' talent under Gailey was actually far, far superior to what we have now. I think many people simply don't realize the historic badness of the Bills' offensive talent right now. It's unprecedented. I agree. But a truly good coordinator could still eek out a touchdown or two every week, no? This offense is completely, utterly overmatched every single down. Some, if not a ton, of that is on Daboll. Everybody needs to quit acting like he's some "aw shucks" victim of circumstance. He's supposed to be creative, he's supposed to be adaptable, yet these qualities have been about as dormant as KB's separation. Maybe 27 games from now I guess? He sucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted October 27, 2018 Share Posted October 27, 2018 What is there to like? I don't buy the no talent thing, he had a solid prospect in Josh Allen. Benjamin, Shady and Clay have all produced steadily throughout their careers but when Daboll gets hired all of a sudden they can't play anymore! These same guys will get cut and then blossom somewhere else, that's just the way it goes for Buffalo. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted October 27, 2018 Share Posted October 27, 2018 1 hour ago, Nelius said: I agree. But a truly good coordinator could still eek out a touchdown or two every week, no? This offense is completely, utterly overmatched every single down. Some, if not a ton, of that is on Daboll. Everybody needs to quit acting like he's some "aw shucks" victim of circumstance. He's supposed to be creative, he's supposed to be adaptable, yet these qualities have been about as dormant as KB's separation. Maybe 27 games from now I guess? He sucks. The talent is totally overmatched whoever we play. Put us against the worst D in the NFL and they have more talent than the Bills O and it is not even really that close. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Boo Posted October 27, 2018 Share Posted October 27, 2018 (edited) On 10/25/2018 at 12:11 PM, John from Riverside said: I think you cannot evaluate him when this offense is almost completely devoid of talent....... I know its hard....but fans should look a little deeper at what is actually happening here. Oh the irony. A friendly reminder that the current regime is solely responsible for this roster lacking talent. You wanna dig deep? Let's dig. What gives you any confidence in Brian Daboll? What, in his resume, shows that he was ever capable of orchestrating a competent NFL offense? It certainly can't be past success since he's had none. Edited October 27, 2018 by Chicken Boo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nelius Posted October 27, 2018 Share Posted October 27, 2018 10 hours ago, GunnerBill said: The talent is totally overmatched whoever we play. Put us against the worst D in the NFL and they have more talent than the Bills O and it is not even really that close. Then it's on the offensive coordinator to get creative. He hasn't yet. He's as much to blame as anybody and I hope we don't realize that in two years when this team acquires some offensive talent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted October 27, 2018 Share Posted October 27, 2018 6 minutes ago, Nelius said: Then it's on the offensive coordinator to get creative. He hasn't yet. He's as much to blame as anybody and I hope we don't realize that in two years when this team acquires some offensive talent. He did the first 4 weeks. Then we layed an egg in the Green Bay game and they abandoned any creativity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted October 27, 2018 Share Posted October 27, 2018 1 minute ago, GunnerBill said: He did the first 4 weeks. Then we layed an egg in the Green Bay game and they abandoned any creativity. ...question as to whether he is better positioned in the box or on the sideline solely depends on the quality of the sand for him to draw up plays.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffalobloodfloridahome Posted October 27, 2018 Share Posted October 27, 2018 As fans we are all in the same boat and have to continue watching the train wreck that is an offense play out the season. Focus on a stellar defense that we have built and you can start to get a little excited for the future. Even though Luck threw for 4 tds last week he barely had any yards. Our offense is giving up more points than our defense by turnovers and bad starting field position. If Daboll can get in the personnel that he needs to run the offense next year and still sucks then we can pass judgement until then the cupboard is bare. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted October 27, 2018 Share Posted October 27, 2018 (edited) 12 minutes ago, buffalobloodfloridahome said: As fans we are all in the same boat and have to continue watching the train wreck that is an offense play out the season. Focus on a stellar defense that we have built and you can start to get a little excited for the future. Even though Luck threw for 4 tds last week he barely had any yards. Our offense is giving up more points than our defense by turnovers and bad starting field position. If Daboll can get in the personnel that he needs to run the offense next year and still sucks then we can pass judgement until then the cupboard is bare. ...stats are woefully misleading...I'm focusing on the 37 pts we surrendered.....with an alleged DC leaning HC in conjunction with DC Frazier, how or why are we woefully inconsistent week to week?........ Edited October 27, 2018 by OldTimeAFLGuy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agent 91 Posted October 27, 2018 Share Posted October 27, 2018 I actually have faith in him too and I am a critical person. I think he has a good knowledge of how to run an offense and can work it to his teams strength. I actually am starting to wonder what McDermott told him in the interview. This offense as is, is probably one of the least desirable situations to walk into. He has to have been given some sort of power with regards to personnel going forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perry Turtle Posted October 27, 2018 Share Posted October 27, 2018 Watching the all-22, Daboll is calling some solid plays. Problem is with execution. It's still way early, but right now a much bigger concern than Daboll is that the Bills drafted a QB who can't even make the simplest NFL reads. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boca BIlls Posted October 27, 2018 Share Posted October 27, 2018 On 10/25/2018 at 1:17 AM, PetermanThrew5Picks said: What offense will maximize each players talents? That's his job. Nothing will... the WRs and QBs suck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted October 27, 2018 Share Posted October 27, 2018 10 minutes ago, Perry Turtle said: Watching the all-22, Daboll is calling some solid plays. Problem is with execution. This is what I see too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twoandfourteen Posted October 27, 2018 Share Posted October 27, 2018 On 10/25/2018 at 7:41 AM, GunnerBill said: I agree there isn't much to lead you to believe Daboll is up to it. But the talent is so bad I really struggle to evaluate the job he is doing here in Buffalo. The offense they ran the first 4 weeks was pretty creative. After the team layed an egg against Green Bay they have simplified and gone to a very vanilla look. I suspect that is on McDermott's orders but for me the problem is talent. You can run misdirection run plays with complex blocking schemes or you can run simpler rushing plays with straightforward blocking. Eventually your guy has to beat their guy. It isn't happening enough. Same with route combinations for the receivers you can innovate or simplify eventually your guys has to get open and catch the ball. The problem is clearly talent to my mind. Daboll may still suck with talent. But our guys can't execute anything at all with any consistency. As for fans only hating bad OCs.... nah. Plenty hated Greg Roman too and he was pretty good. But for plenty of fans here he ran it too much, too many 3 and outs, didn't let Tyrod loose (he got the best production of Tyrod's career out of Tyrod) etc. The Bills fans will only be happy when we have a coordinator who calls 60%+ pass plays and they are almost all well executed. Which is another way of saying what they really want is a Franchise Quarterback. I love the condescension, keep it up. Bills fans are just tired of watching other games and feeling like the Bills are so far behind the rest of the NFL that they are playing an entirely different sport. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted October 27, 2018 Share Posted October 27, 2018 11 hours ago, GunnerBill said: The talent is totally overmatched whoever we play. Put us against the worst D in the NFL and they have more talent than the Bills O and it is not even really that close. I agree with you. The offense is over-matched. We have arguably the worst OL and receiving corps in the league. On top of that our qb play is less than functional. When the response is often stated that the problem is execution what is underlying that reality is that the talent on hand is incapable of executing against the players they are going against. 2 minutes ago, twoandfourteen said: I love the condescension, keep it up. [b[Bills fans are just tired of watching other games and feeling like the Bills are so far behind the rest of the NFL that they are playing an entirely different sport.[/b] With respect to the highlighted area they are behind the rest of the league on offense. It is a stark reality. Trust your eyes and the truth will be inescapably clear to anyone with an ounce of objectivity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted October 27, 2018 Share Posted October 27, 2018 7 minutes ago, twoandfourteen said: I love the condescension, keep it up. Bills fans are just tired of watching other games and feeling like the Bills are so far behind the rest of the NFL that they are playing an entirely different sport. But we ran a decent coordinator out of town in Greg Roman to get worse. 5 minutes ago, JohnC said: I agree with you. The offense is over-matched. We have arguably the worst OL and receiving corps in the league. On top of that our qb play is less than functional. When the response is often stated that the problem is execution what is underlying that reality is that the talent on hand is incapable of executing against the players they are going against. I have our OL 4th worst after Houston, Arizona and Tampa. The WR is undisputably the worst in the league. Indeed it might be the worst I have ever seen in 16 years of watching this league. And yea, the QB has either been rookie errors, total ineptitude or dangerous Derek. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted October 27, 2018 Share Posted October 27, 2018 13 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: I have our OL 4th worst after Houston, Arizona and Tampa. The WR is undisputably the worst in the league. Indeed it might be the worst I have ever seen in 16 years of watching this league. And yea, the QB has either been rookie errors, total ineptitude or dangerous Derek. Actually, I am not disheartened for next year. In one offseason the Rams significantly upgraded their OL with two solid veteran additions. They also took the free agent and draft route to upgrade their receiving unit. And with an offseason to prepare after his rookie year Goff exploded on the scene. With a smart draft and judicious free agent decisions our OL and receiving unit can be significantly upgraded. Even if we don't get an authentic #1 receiver that doesn't mean that we can't get a good receiver/s who would be an upgrade. Although I'm a believer in Josh Allen I don't believe that he will develop at the pace of Goff or ever be as prolific a passer as the Ram qb. However, I do believe with an added offseason to work on his game and better players added to the offense that this unit can play at a reasonable competitive level. As it stands the Bills have a copious amount of cap space. If they have to over-pay for additional players then so be it. What's the point of having money in your pocket if you act like a miser. If you got it----use it! Being pathetic without taking some strong to correct the problem is a lame way to run a franchise. It's time to have some freaking pride and act with some urgency to address this humiliating situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterpan Posted October 27, 2018 Share Posted October 27, 2018 On 10/25/2018 at 6:58 AM, Cripple Creek said: What did undermanned NCAA schools do? The wing T spread seems like a good fit. I was thinking something similar. Tebow could come in here and we'd have a strong running game and own time of possession. Our weak OL would be minimized and the crap at WR wouldn't matter much anymore. Not realistic at the point but fun to think about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrimeTime101 Posted October 27, 2018 Share Posted October 27, 2018 (edited) So.. I see people evaluating our current OC Based on outcome, talent and stats. well if your evaluating a coach like this.. you have it all wrong.. well at least partly wrong. The PROPER way to evaluate an OC in this league is compare us to a team that has around the same talent as we do and see if he is doing well or not. When you do that you compare that with your weekly notes.. Has there been bad play calls? how many bad play calls solely based on execution? How many outstanding calls has he made on a week to week basis? Easy right? BUZZZERRRRR wrong again. because in this situation Our Line is about the worst in the league right? and our talented position at WR is also as bad as it gets with a rookie QB to boot? what offensive system are you going to compare us to that has the same issues on line and WR and QB? you cant compare to something that isn't there. Yea someone right now as there reading this is going to come up with 2 stats from our team and there team then compare but that does not CUT IT. If you want to cut him because he is not managing rookies and under average players well enough then that's great! I get it. But that's not something you will know, I will know or any retired NFL no it all on espn. they make assumptions and that's as far as it goes. NOW. that being said as fans we are making assumptions... and we all know the break down of that word blah blah blah BUT every person has that right to have that opinion and as long as its with in a suitable range of where the team is at with things then us as FANS have that right to come on here and post without getting bullied by others on these forums. this doesn't mean you should make dumb statements like "we should move on past Josh Allen and look for our next future QB" cause that's just stupid and prepare to get slammed for it. some of the people on this topic especially have been over the top and YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE! again.. that being said.. I think our Offense is failing due to lack of talent/execution on and off the field. I do not blame current OC for what is going on. But what do I know.. I am just a FAN.. RIGHT? Edited October 27, 2018 by PrimeTime101 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrimeTime101 Posted October 27, 2018 Share Posted October 27, 2018 On 10/25/2018 at 12:02 PM, Nihilarian said: I agree. Yes, the talent is somewhat lacking with the offense as the only real elite player is RB LeSean McCoy. Now, stating that, why hasn't he been used more effectively this season? The team got behind in points the first few games and the rushing attack went right out the window. Still, this doesn't explain why McCoy wasn't used in the passing scheme more often as he is probably the best receiver on the team too. Daboll has been mostly attempting to run a pass first offense with a rookie QB who has great difficulty reading defenses. Simply moronic! Sorry, but Brian Daboll stinks! Great coaches get the best out of their players...you know, kinda like McD has done with the defense. He should have simplified the offense to mostly run plays and screens, short outs, misdirection plays. For most of the season Daboll has been calling plays like he has an experienced veteran QB behind center. The offense is out of control with penalties and stupid drive killing penalties at that. How is it that a pro player doesn't know where to line up? I can see an incidental penalty like an occasional hold or false start. But some of these are ridiculous and make it impossible for any QB to do his job much less a rookie QB. 54 penalties for 428 is downright ludicrous. The second I read somewhat lacking is the second I stopped reading the rest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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