NoHuddleKelly12 Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 10 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Allen needs to throw better. It's not just a question of pinpoint, he is missing "gimmes" that NFL QB have to hit. If he can make those throws and avoid a few stupidities, we could move the ball with his current ability to understand D. My worry (others on this board have also raised this point as well) is that he appeared to over-anticipate "phantom" pressure points where the rollout bail maneuver (as opposed to stepping up in the pocket a couple of steps) because of the overall amount of times that he was either getting hit or facing legit jailbreak pressure in the interior of the line--caused him to abandon his designed drop/release point too early. I think that's what in large part led to a ripple effect/outcome of what you are referencing. Hopefully as he settles in and gains an internal clock more in line with the rhythm of the game, that will be less of an issue (along with better play by everyone else). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Da webster guy Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 15 hours ago, joesixpack said: Hes gone full schopp haha OUCH. the lowest of insults Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBills88 Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 I would like to Draft speed and crisp route runners at the WR psoition Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreatComeback Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 1 hour ago, Mr. WEO said: Worked for the Rams last year. Watkins made the other receivers better than him right away... Different scenario. Sammy was essentially a decoy. Never really stepped up. He used AJ Green as an example. He makes plays AND shells take coverage off Ty Boyd 1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Allen needs to throw better. It's not just a question of pinpoint, he is missing "gimmes" that NFL QB have to hit. If he can make those throws and avoid a few stupidities, we could move the ball with his current ability to understand D. I’ve only seen a couple of easy throws missed so far. His passes to the RB’s out of the backfield have been good. I remember reading that he struggled with those throws in Wyoming Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Linen Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 2 hours ago, jrober38 said: Some years you get a couple decent guys, but this coming year it's 31 year old Golden Tate and then a huge drop off to guys who are nothing more than #3 guys around the NFL. Most years you don't see a couple good guys but you said decent and there's almost always that. Tate isn't just some guy - he's excellent and would be perfect for our situation. I've long said this is the most difficult position beyond QB to fix in free agency or the draft for that matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 9 minutes ago, White Linen said: Most years you don't see a couple good guys but you said decent and there's almost always that. Tate isn't just some guy - he's excellent and would be perfect for our situation. I've long said this is the most difficult position beyond QB to fix in free agency or the draft for that matter. If that's the case, then our decision to trade Sammy Watkins and make no attempt to re sign Robert Woods like extremely foolish. This regime has given zero indication they can actually evaluate offensive talent. They've let good NFL players leave, and have replaced them with guys who are backups at best. Benjamin was a massive miss, trading up for Zay Jones when similar players like Juju Smith Schuster was available was a disaster, the players they've brought in on the OL have all been replacement level contributors, etc. This regime has given me no confidence that they'll be able to identify good young offensive players. Pretty much everything they've added on that side of the ball hasn't worked out. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 24 minutes ago, FrankReichComeback#14 said: Different scenario. Sammy was essentially a decoy. Never really stepped up. He used AJ Green as an example. He makes plays AND shells take coverage off Ty Boyd (tap tap)...Is this thing on? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buddy Hix Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 Filling the WR hole will be the biggest problem going forward, there just aren't any easy solutions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bills Blog Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 16 hours ago, HamSandwhich said: I think this is the second time I've seen it spelled this way on a subject. Is this a joke or something. Is "Carp" a slight against him? It seems like it's misspelled every time someone on here tries to spell it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Linen Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 (edited) 7 hours ago, jrober38 said: If that's the case, then our decision to trade Sammy Watkins and make no attempt to re sign Robert Woods like extremely foolish. This regime has given zero indication they can actually evaluate offensive talent. They've let good NFL players leave, and have replaced them with guys who are backups at best. Benjamin was a massive miss, trading up for Zay Jones when similar players like Juju Smith Schuster was available was a disaster, the players they've brought in on the OL have all been replacement level contributors, etc. This regime has given me no confidence that they'll be able to identify good young offensive players. Pretty much everything they've added on that side of the ball hasn't worked out. This is what happens when you have Tyrod Taylor as your QB. You have no idea that you have an excellent WR in Woods on your team because TT buried his talent. At the time 8+ million seemed high because you can't be sure what he is - because of the QB. Robert does miss a good bit of time though. Watkins - no - he's not the kind of guy you pay huge dollars to. Hence he's not been signed to a long term deal. Try not to live in the past though, seriously. It does absolutely no good. We have to build weapons around Allen and we're going to need some good fortune and Antonio Brown type in the 6th would be nice, haha. They got so damn lucky. Edited October 4, 2018 by White Linen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsredneck1 Posted October 5, 2018 Share Posted October 5, 2018 (edited) 9 hours ago, NoHuddleKelly12 said: My worry (others on this board have also raised this point as well) is that he appeared to over-anticipate "phantom" pressure points where the rollout bail maneuver (as opposed to stepping up in the pocket a couple of steps) because of the overall amount of times that he was either getting hit or facing legit jailbreak pressure in the interior of the line--caused him to abandon his designed drop/release point too early. I think that's what in large part led to a ripple effect/outcome of what you are referencing. Hopefully as he settles in and gains an internal clock more in line with the rhythm of the game, that will be less of an issue (along with better play by everyone else). the problem i see is that he looks and directs his stature towards his first read. he doesn't turn his head quickly or has no peripheral vision....then bails. it was the biggest beef against toorod and rightfully so but we gotta get this kids clock timer right. hopefully we can put together a line than can pass pro next year. we could probably do much better even now if mcd would relieve jauna be and revamp the oline philosophy. it can be done in a week. do it. Edited October 5, 2018 by billsredneck1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan_34 Posted October 5, 2018 Share Posted October 5, 2018 On 10/3/2018 at 5:16 PM, jr1 said: I would be ecstatic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreatComeback Posted October 5, 2018 Share Posted October 5, 2018 2 hours ago, White Linen said: This is what happens when you have Tyrod Taylor as your QB. You have no idea that you have an excellent WR in Woods on your team because TT buried his talent. At the time 8+ million seemed high because you can't be sure what he is - because of the QB. Robert does miss a good bit of time though. Watkins - no - he's not the kind of guy you pay huge dollars to. Hence he's not been signed to a long term deal. Try not to live in the past though, seriously. It does absolutely no good. We have to build weapons around Allen and we're going to need some good fortune and Antonio Brown type in the 6th would be nice, haha. They got so damn lucky. This is what i have been saying for years. Moving on from both players made sense at the time (Marquese Goodwin too). Maybe Woods would have been worth keeping but trading Sammy was 100% the right choice. Anyone who says otherwise is not thinking clearly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted October 5, 2018 Share Posted October 5, 2018 (edited) On 10/3/2018 at 5:49 PM, ScottLaw said: I'll take a good receiver who can get separation. Was hoping they'd sign Sammy's Wat, uh nevermind. Incredibly, Sammy is the highest paid receiver on KC and is their 3rd most productive playing with the best QB in the NFL on the best offense in the NFL. Edited October 5, 2018 by BringBackOrton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreatComeback Posted October 5, 2018 Share Posted October 5, 2018 Just now, BringBackOrton said: Incredibly, Sammy is the highest paid receiver on KC and is their 3rd most productive playing with the best QB in the NFL on the best offense in the NFL. Funny because he was also a 3rd option in LA. Am I seeing a trend here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted October 5, 2018 Share Posted October 5, 2018 6 minutes ago, BringBackOrton said: Incredibly, Sammy is the highest paid receiver on KC and is their 3rd most productive playing with the best QB in the NFL on the best offense in the NFL. He has cap hits of $19.2 mil in 2019 and $21 mil in 2020. Yikes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted October 5, 2018 Share Posted October 5, 2018 6 minutes ago, FrankReichComeback#14 said: Funny because he was also a 3rd option in LA. Am I seeing a trend here? 2 minutes ago, Bangarang said: He has cap hits of $19.2 mil in 2019 and $21 mil in 2020. Yikes. Stat of the day. Sammy Watkins has a paper thin lead of 32 yards receiving on Zay Jones for the year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted October 5, 2018 Share Posted October 5, 2018 10 minutes ago, Bangarang said: He has cap hits of $19.2 mil in 2019 and $21 mil in 2020. Yikes. And he's hurt. Again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BakersBills Posted October 5, 2018 Share Posted October 5, 2018 On 10/3/2018 at 2:16 PM, jr1 said: This dude reminds me of TO/moulds he’s my number 1 Target. Harry also looks really good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigDingus Posted October 5, 2018 Share Posted October 5, 2018 You know what would make me happy? Picking an O-linemen in both the 1st & 2nd rounds. Just get the 2 best available at any position, then sign some more in FA. Then next year draft 2 more studs, and keep that core together foreevvverrrr! Screw everything else. Yeah, you want someone to throw to as well, but every coach thinks in order to be successful in Buffalo you have to focus on run game first, so at least we'd have that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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