Every throw from Josh Allen’s 1st start

[starrymessenger]

2 hours ago, K-9 said:

Dude is strong. I didn’t realize how many steps he dragged Ingraham on his first INT. 

 

You mean Laura. What was she doing on the field? Hitching a ride on Josh's back? I must have missed that. 

[BeginnersMind]

1 hour ago, Fadingpain said:

Watching all his throws one on top of the other, you appreciate just how wild and unpredictable his accuracy is.

 

His big pass to Zay Jones (that Jones bobbled and almost dropped) was under thrown by 10 yards.  It was so badly thrown that the DB was out of position by the time the ball arrived and on top of it, the DB decided to stop playing defense for a while.  Very strange play.  If that throw is repeated 9 more times, it is probably intercepted 5 times.

 

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This doesn't kill your credibility but it shows some awful bias. He couldn't throw when Jones raised his hand because he was moving. Then he had to do a quick set and throw out of his movement to his left, which would affect his accuracy on, wait for it, a ball that traveled 64 yards in the air. 

 

If he had hit that throw in stride, it would be the throw of the last 20 years for a Bills QB. 

 

He has to fix his accuracy issues for sure, but he was not "all over the place.". He was under constant pressure, behind the entire game, and playing tight. This entire season is a classroom. Let's see if he can improve. It's going to be a few years to see if he gets there. I was OK with his performance. All I want from him week to week this year is to finish the game, which means he didn't have a disaster. He has a lot of the right pieces. 

1 hour ago, zow2 said:

Yeah i liked the TD pass and catch.  Too many people are trying to tell me today that Allen racked up all his stats in a garbage time drive and one under-thrown ball to Zay. 

 

 

 

He did underthrow him, but watch that again. It's a tougher throw. 

[KD in CA]

After one start, my expectations are that I wish we could swap the other 10 offensive starters with Kansas City.

[dickleyjones]

my take is that the game is a little too fast for Allen right now. he said so himself during preseason.  some practice in real games should get it all to slow down. 

[John from Riverside]

2 minutes ago, dickleyjones said:

my take is that the game is a little too fast for Allen right now. he said so himself during preseason.  some practice in real games should get it all to slow down. 

Agreed...I think Josh is gonna settle down as the season goes on and hit his stride.....this year of starting even on a bad team is going to be good for him going into next season.

[BeginnersMind]

17 minutes ago, KD in CA said:

After one start, my expectations are that I wish we could swap the other 10 offensive starters with Kansas City.

 

What team would you not say that about? We'd give up Shady in that deal but the balance of the other 9 would far outweigh the that loss.

Edited September 17, 2018 by BeginnersMind

[RobbRiddick]

31 minutes ago, 2003Contenders said:

There was plenty to like and plenty to dislike in the performance yesterday. The sample size is simply too small to come up with a genuine evaluation going forward. And guess, what? That sample size will still be too small after next week and the week after. The kid is going to need time to develop -- not only because he is a rookie and everyone needs to be patient, but because he also has a horrible supporting cast.

 

I look back at our last two first-round QBs.

 

1. Losman. From day one, he never looked ready. The stage seemed too large for him, and he had that proverbial deer-in-the-headlights look. But the arm talent and athleticism seemed to be there, so I kept hoping that over time, he would improve but he never appreciably did. He had flaws (ability to read a defense, poor accuracy, etc.) that he never corrected, and that deer-in-the-headlights syndrome never went away. Say what you will about Allen and any shortcomings he displayed in yesterday's game, but he never had that "Where the heck am I?" look that we saw all to often with Losman.

 

2. It is easy to forget that EJ actually looked halfway decent in his first two starts (against the Pats and Panthers) respectively. The problem is that those first two games would represent more of a high-water mark for him rather than the start of something great. The QB position is the most unique position in all of sports. You really have to be born to play the position -- all the while improving your craft as you go along. EJ had all of the physical traits and by all accounts he is a bright guy with leadership qualities. But for whatever reason, these ingredients never meshed to make him a natural QB. Everything always seemed so rehearsed and unnatural. Again, with Allen yesterday he did look very natural standing in the pocket.

 

So there is hope. He clearly has all of the physical tools. I also like that he also seemed confident and did not panic while standing in the pocket. If he can correct the deficiencies, then we have something special here. Time will tell whether he will be able to improve in those areas -- but after one, seriously ONE, NFL start it is hard for me to understand why anyone would be CONCERNED. Progress is the key here. As long as we see progression, even if they are baby steps, there is plenty of reason for optimism. Anyone who can't see that either has a silly agenda to root against the kid -- or has unreasonable expectations about what he should be able to do this early in his career.

Agreed. He made mistakes but seemed to shrug them off, blame himself and then move on. That's what the good/great QBs do and that is what gives me hope. 

 

I also agree he has great stature back there and didn't look panicked, even when they were knocking hell out of him. 

[John from Riverside]

1 hour ago, Fadingpain said:

Watching all his throws one on top of the other, you appreciate just how wild and unpredictable his accuracy is.

LOL coming from you.....just LOL

1 hour ago, Fadingpain said:

 

It is all over the place.  

 

I thought the best ball he threw all game was the fairly long pass to Charles Clay on the Chargers 20 yard line.  Clay was wide open by at least 5 yards and standing still when Allen threw the ball, and he threw a strike.  That is the type of wide open, standing receiver Tyrod would throw to as well.

 

His big pass to Zay Jones (that Jones bobbled and almost dropped) was under thrown by 10 yards.  It was so badly thrown that the DB was out of position by the time the ball arrived and on top of it, the DB decided to stop playing defense for a while.  Very strange play.  If that throw is repeated 9 more times, it is probably intercepted 5 times.

Seriously ALL QBS DO THIS......I honestly dont get why YOU dont get that....you ignore QB play by the rest of the league where QBs make these throws and their WR's are required to make a play on a ball that is area code accurate.......ALL QBS THROW THESE KIND OF PASSES

1 hour ago, Fadingpain said:

 

Even on short dump offs, ball placement is just awkward enough to make the receiver work to catch the ball and often have to be put off stride or off balance in order to make the catch.  A few throws featured such awkward (but perhaps catchable) ball placement that the receiver in fact did not catch the ball.

SOME of the throws were like this....there were also balls that were decently accurate and dropped

1 hour ago, Fadingpain said:

 

Folks around here are not seeing what is on the field yet.  That is because we are desperate for a Messiah, we know we gave up a lot of value to get Josh, and we can see he is big and has a strong arm.  He looks the part of a real QB.

Your typical hogwash

1 hour ago, Fadingpain said:

 

Eventually, his accuracy issues, inability to read defenses, hesitation in throwing, and unwillingness to throw receivers open or anticipate open receivers before they are open will catch up to him.

Or he is gonna get better with more playing time or maybe even with better pass catching targets (ours are bad) next year?  A much more realistic look then your punchbowl piss

1 hour ago, Fadingpain said:

 

It took a while for most folks here to want to replace Tyrod too.  

A totally different situation.....Josh Allen pulls the trigger and is willing to work from the pocket when there actually is one.

1 hour ago, Fadingpain said:

 

Josh needs to greatly improve the weaknesses in his game, and the narrative that he had already addressed them with improved footwork is not accurate IMO.

Just like every rookie QB that is currently playing.  And he already looks much better then he did at Wyoming

1 hour ago, Fadingpain said:

 

 

 

 

 

[starrymessenger]

1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

 

Daboll also borrowed the misdirection hand off to the WR from the Rams. Worked pretty well with Foster.

[DuckyBoys]

To be fair you have a rookie qb playing a much better team.  He's being asked to move the team pretty much on his own  Running game is non existent  Easy chunk plays nowhere to be found He missed some throws forced some balls leading to two preventable picks and a sack or two was probably on him for holding onto the ball.  On the plus side he looked calm and composed in the pocket.  He didnt check one read and immediately check down regardless of down and distance.  He fit or tried to fit some balls into tight window.  He also broke away from sure sacks for just about any qb on several plays.  The two really bad throws to me we both rolling out  One to DiMarco that he makes a great effort to haul in and the one rolling to his left to Peters.  Lets take a deep breath and watch and see  I'm sure were going to see some bumps and knocks.  People have been calling for a round 1 qb for the Bills for over a decade  Give it a chance

[Foxx]

2 minutes ago, starrymessenger said:

 

Daboll also borrowed the misdirection hand off to the WR from the Rams. Worked pretty well with Foster.

again, this may have just been a miscommunication. outside shoulder as opposed to an inside shoulder throw.

 

actually, referring to the post you quoted. bad form on my part.

Edited September 17, 2018 by Foxx

[starrymessenger]

1 minute ago, Foxx said:

again, this may have just been a miscommunication. outside shoulder as opposed to an inside shoulder throw.

 

We're not talking about the same play (probably I didn't describe it very well). I'm referring to the WR sweep left to right just behind the line where the QB just sort of drops the ball and the WR grabs it and looks to take it upfield usually outside the numbers. I saw Goff do it (don't recall who the WR was, maybe Woodsie, and the execution was better/more fluid). I though Foster did ok on that play.

[Foxx]

3 minutes ago, starrymessenger said:

 

We're not talking about the same play (probably I didn't describe it very well). I'm referring to the WR sweep left to right just behind the line where the QB just sort of drops the ball and the WR grabs it and looks to take it upfield usually outside the numbers. I saw Goff do it (don't recall who the WR was, maybe Woodsie, and the execution was better/more fluid). I though Foster did ok on that play.

yeah, i edited my post to explain what post i was referring to. you probably had the thread open before my edit explaining as much. apologies.

[Jay_Fixit]

Of all the throws he made, the one to Murphy was the one that bothered me the most. He just lobbed it when it should have been a dart. That was a QB aiming it instead of throwing it.

 

 

 

[DuckyBoys]

31 minutes ago, Jay_Fixit said:

Of all the throws he made, the one to Murphy was the one that bothered me the most. He just lobbed it when it should have been a dart. That was a QB aiming it instead of throwing it.

 

 

 

He might no trust Murphy's receiving skills  He had a drop or two during the game  Don't know how he catches in practice  I would think a young qb might have a tendency to baby passes to guys once they drop a few

[ThunderGun]

QBs miss throws, it happens... Stafford missed so many vs the Niners yesterday, definitely should’ve been a W for the Lions.  Same for Ryan in the opener vs Philly... Considering what Allen has to work with (or lack thereof) and the fact that he has no comfort level or trust in his OL, it’s silly to make any prognostications about his future.

 

I’m more worried about the way they are handling his development.  Pegulas should step in and “highly recommend” McDermott being Jordan Palmer on board, whatever the cost.

Edited September 17, 2018 by ThunderGun

[HappyDays]

4 hours ago, Foxx said:

previously i was critical of Josh's second interception. after watching all the throws, i may be off in that estimation. while his footwork was not perfect, it may have been more of a miscommunication with the receiver. you can see Josh throws it where had the receiver broke out instead of up, he would have probably hit the receiver.

 

Josh owned the 2nd pick at his presser. Said it was just a bad ball. That one and the miss to Murphy in the flat were the most frustrating. Those are the throws he will need to make consistently to succeed in this league.

[Foxx]

Just now, HappyDays said:

 

Josh owned the 2nd pick at his presser. Said it was just a bad ball. That one and the miss to Murphy in the flat were the most frustrating. Those are the throws he will need to make consistently to succeed in this league.

thanks. so it was a miscommunication on Josh's end then, the receiver made the right break and Josh read the wrong one. these types of reads should be easy to correct.

[Reks Ryan]

IMO he only had 3 really bad passes.   The 2 picks and the one where lobbed it over and behind Murphy's head.    Going back and watching the game again, Allen played well given the score, the team around him,  and being his first start.   His final stats for the game, including sacks & rushing yardage were representative of how he played.   I am more optimistic about JA than I was 1 month ago.    

 

He has a long way to go, but this is a guy who actually has the ability to put up 300 yard games,  which has been unbelievably rare for the Bills the last 20 years.  Hopefully he shows enough promise and consistency by the end of the year, that some receivers will want to come to Buffalo.

 

And wow, was the defense awful in the first half.   It's hard to imagine that the defense would be that terrible for the 1st 6 quarters of the year.  

[starrymessenger]

2 hours ago, Jay_Fixit said:

Of all the throws he made, the one to Murphy was the one that bothered me the most. He just lobbed it when it should have been a dart. That was a QB aiming it instead of throwing it.

 

 

 

 

Yeah. Both his feet were off the ground when he released the ball. Crazy stuff. It's the kind of thing that drove some analysts to distraction.