Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 5 hours ago, Johnny Hammersticks said: What the hell are you talking about....ignorance? Must be talking about himself, only thing that sounds about right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 5 hours ago, ny33 said: Agreed. Something that often gets overlooked is that the Bills traded too much for the 7th pick: https://www.buffalorumblings.com/2018/4/26/17288354/buffalo-bills-overpay-to-trade-up-for-josh-allen-draft-chart-jimmy-johnson-value Arizona paid far less in the Rosen trade. This wasn't a year where people were clamoring to trade up. We probably could have given up less and had enough resources to at least pick up a 2nd/3rd round lineman. Either that or if we'd offered less the Bucs might have turned us down. And maybe Arizona would have traded up above us and grabbed Allen. Ideally, you don't overpay. In fact, if you have a move you're determined to make, you pay what you have to. And yeah, you're judged on how successful that move was. If Allen doesn't work out, they'll be blamed, rightfully. If it does work out, they'll be praised, rightfully, and nobody will give a damn that we gave up two 2nd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Playoffs? Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 We need: - Allen to show that he’s a baller this season, leaving no doubt that he’s our QB of the future - some stud prospect QB to show himself in college this year, making himself the clear number 1 QB in the draft and potential number 1 overall in the draft - some team to overpay us with players/draft picks to move up to the one spot! This all = filling some major holes for next season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keepthefaith Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 (edited) 21 minutes ago, BringBackOrton said: Forcing? He agreed to it. We are hardly privy to Richie's mental state and the discussions regarding the paycut behind closed doors. With any paycut, there's the unspoken threat of "we may have to cut you if you don't agree," but Richie agreed, then melted down and reneged. Hundreds of players before Richie have taken paycuts in their old age without resorting to calling the team owner's in the middle of the night screaming obscenities. And once he did that, he was done in the NFL. He was the author of his own fate. You don't harass the boss who writes the checks just because you feel slighted. It's a damn shame. And it hurt the Buffalo Bills. But no one carries more responsibility for that than Richie Incognito himself. We agree then that you need decent NFLers around a QB to help your QB? How you could be okay with Zay Jones as a #1 option in the year of our lord 2018 and in the same breath bemoan the offensive line is beyond me. Agree and Ritchie had 1 productive year left at best. The Bills had many more needs this past off-season than could be addressed through the draft and free agency. They got 3 potential difference makers in the draft in Allen, Edmunds and Phillips. If those 3 become very productive starters in a year or two, we'll look back on this draft as the best in a very long time. Obviously they need help on the O-line. Maybe there will be some line help yet this year, but it's gonna be 2019 realistically before they're competitive. Beane's done a good job of getting the Bills out from under cap issues. Whether or not these guys can pick and develop talent is an open question. Edited September 12, 2018 by keepthefaith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 45 minutes ago, Formerly Allan in MD said: Not saying OL has to be a first round pick. But we've come nowhere close to that given our mediocre level of talent. Not sure if you are referring to past drafts....but we have drafted 2nd round offensive linemen recently Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
COTC Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 (edited) 22 minutes ago, Pbomb said: Did you hear this from your executive friend Jealously is the fear of comparison... Pbitter are you afraid? Its okay ? Edited September 12, 2018 by COTC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 7 minutes ago, keepthefaith said: Agree and Ritchie had 1 productive year left at best. The Bills had many more needs this past off-season than could be addressed through the draft and free agency. They got 3 potential difference makers in the draft in Allen, Edmunds and Phillips. If those 3 become very productive starters in a year or two, we'll look back on this draft as the best in a very long time. Obviously they need help on the O-line. Maybe there will be some line help yet this year, but it's gonna be 2019 realistically before they're competitive. Beane's done a good job of getting the Bills out from under cap issues. Whether or not these guys can pick and develop talent is an open question. I have no problem with a down 2018 if it was expected to have some growing pains. I have a HUGE problem with a down 2018 if McBeane truly thought we would be better than 2017. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 4 hours ago, Formerly Allan in MD said: You build a team for success from the trenches out. Building a dominant offensive line hasn't been a priority for the Bills in years. Hate to say it but drafting a top prospect quarterback without fixing the line is a recipe for injury, loss of confidence, and/or disillusionment. Hopefully, it won't happen with Allen but if it does, it's because we put the cart before the horse. Yeah, you build a team for success from the trenches out. That's why the Bengals have racked up so many Super Bowl championships. Oh, wait ... You build a team for success from QB first and everyone else later. If you worry the guy might get injured you draft a McCarron and put your guy on the bench for a year, especially if the guy you draft is widely considered a guy who needs development. The Colts drafted Peyton Manning first thing and played him behind a bad OL. The Cowboys did the same thing with Aikman. Those guys were more NFL-ready than Allen. My guess is that Allen isn't ready but if he is, plenty of great QBs have taken a pasting behind bad OLs for a year or two. And that's nonsense that they haven't prioritized OL for years. They've been a good OL for a couple of years. The Wood and Incognito problems weren't a matter of priority. IMHO the Bills wanted McCarron to play all year, but he simply underachieved. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 6 minutes ago, COTC said: Jealously is the fear of comparison... Pbitter are you afraid? Its okay ? May I suggest that hippo crap vid as your avitar.....it fits Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comebackkid Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 6 hours ago, COTC said: Where was V. Davis Sunday? Why was Gaines starting? He was a major liability. Is this another beane mistake? and how about that punter with no game experience, didn’t he flub a snap and fumble, typical of someone with no field experience. Another bean head scratcher. Punter was still better than Schmitt and now he has experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlayoffsPlease Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 (edited) Whaley was awful. He was only the most recent in a string of truly horrible GMs. Beane inherited a complete mess. Given how late he was hired last year, there was not more for him to do than assess the team. He made the judgment the team wasn't never going far with Taylor at QB ( a judgement any sane human could make) . He made similar evaluations of everyone on the team. His ultimate conclusion was for better or worse that there was nothing to build around. A couple of old guys in Kyle Williams and LeSean McCoy that are fan favorites who are too old be be part of a long term future. And after that: nothing. So he decided to come up with the strategy of clearing the deck for 2019 and starting from scratch. The only two players on the roster who matter at this point are Edmunds and Allen. Everyone else will be replaced with a draft pick or a free agent pickup from next years 90 million of cap space. The over all vision makes sense. The thing that is most distressing is that his cronyism with guys like Benjamin and Star L. call his judgement into question. If 2019 is a playoff year, then the strategy made sense. If it is some sort of babystep from an abysmal 2018 to a slightly better 2019, then It is 95% likely he is just the latest clown in the Bills GM clown show. Edited September 12, 2018 by PlayoffsPlease Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 9 minutes ago, Thurman#1 said: Yeah, you build a team for success from the trenches out. That's why the Bengals have racked up so many Super Bowl championships. Oh, wait ... You build a team for success from QB first and everyone else later. If you worry the guy might get injured you draft a McCarron and put your guy on the bench for a year, especially if the guy you draft is widely considered a guy who needs development. The Colts drafted Peyton Manning first thing and played him behind a bad OL. The Cowboys did the same thing with Aikman. Those guys were more NFL-ready than Allen. My guess is that Allen isn't ready but if he is, plenty of great QBs have taken a pasting behind bad OLs for a year or two. And that's nonsense that they haven't prioritized OL for years. They've been a good OL for a couple of years. The Wood and Incognito problems weren't a matter of priority. IMHO the Bills wanted McCarron to play all year, but he simply underachieved. Bingo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
COTC Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 7 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: May I suggest that hippo crap vid as your avitar.....it fits What are you talking about? Are you attempting to be passive aggressive? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 Just now, COTC said: What are you talking about? Are you attempting to be passive aggressive? No....it just seems to fit your posting style....it was just a suggestion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
COTC Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 2 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: No....it just seems to fit your posting style....it was just a suggestion. You don’t have the authority or the experience to judge my posting style. I suggest you stay on topic, your tangents are out there man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman1876 Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 22 minutes ago, BringBackOrton said: I have no problem with a down 2018 if it was expected to have some growing pains. I have a HUGE problem with a down 2018 if McBeane truly thought we would be better than 2017. I don't think he in any way thought they'd be be 15 minutes ago, PlayoffsPlease said: Whaley was awful. He was only the most recent in a string of truly horrible GMs. Beane inherited a complete mess. Given how late he was hired last year, there was not more for him to do than assess the team. He made the judgment the team wasn't never going far with Taylor at QB ( a judgement any sane human could make) . He made similar evaluations of everyone on the team. His ultimate conclusion was for better or worse that there was nothing to build around. A couple of old guys in Kyle Williams and LeSean McCoy that are fan favorites who are too old be be part of a long term future. And after that: nothing. So he decided to come up with the strategy of clearing the deck for 2019 and starting from scratch. The only two players on the roster who matter at this point are Edmunds and Allen. Everyone else will be replaced with a draft pick or a free agent pickup from next years 90 million of cap space. The over all vision makes sense. The thing that is most distressing is that his cronyism with guys like Benjamin and Star L. call his judgement into question. If 2019 is a playoff year, then the strategy made sense. If it is some sort of babystep from an abysmal 2018 to a slightly better 2019, then It is 95% likely he is just the latest clown in the Bills GM clown show. I think Star Was brought in to do exactly what he did in Carolina, fill space to allow your LBs to make plays. They got their Luke Kuechly in Edmunds and figured star could do for Edmunds what he did for Kuechly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 Wasn't the run D pretty good Sunday? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlayoffsPlease Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 2 minutes ago, Batman1876 said: I don't think he in any way thought they'd be be I think Star Was brought in to do exactly what he did in Carolina, fill space to allow your LBs to make plays. They got their Luke Kuechly in Edmunds and figured star could do for Edmunds what he did for Kuechly. Time will tell. But it appears that he over values players that he knows. Fans do the same. Fans aren't gm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 1 hour ago, oldmanfan said: With the taking away of headshots the middle of the field will be exploited in the passing game. Edmunds helps there. Except that Dareus was dogging it. Marcel is a very unfortunate situation He is obviously very talented......but very lazy......and when he got that new contract from us he fricken went on vacation mentally. You can still see it even when he plays for the jags........there are definately times he does not give full effort. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 Just now, John from Riverside said: Marcel is a very unfortunate situation He is obviously very talented......but very lazy......and when he got that new contract from us he fricken went on vacation mentally. You can still see it even when he plays for the jags........there are definately times he does not give full effort. I hate to see any young person waste their talents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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