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Well, let's start a new investigation about Trump collusion with China.  I'm sure he mentioned China once or twice during  the campaign.  This is finally the big one!

 

 

 

8 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said:

Having an account, hell "read in" is more like it.

 

They probably went in and changed the settings to automatically "bcc" every email to themselves.

 

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6 minutes ago, njbuff said:

Don't get me wrong, Hillary belongs in jail, but............

 

how can a story that starts with "Sources" be taken seriously in today's environment of fake news?

 

Sources say it can be taken seriously...

 

Really, at this point, isn't a story like this mostly a "Yeah, tell us something we didn't know" type of report?  This is less surprising than Trump banging another porn star.

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17 minutes ago, DC Tom said:

 

Sources say it can be taken seriously...

 

Really, at this point, isn't a story like this mostly a "Yeah, tell us something we didn't know" type of report?  This is less surprising than Trump banging another porn star.

Please tell me it wasn't Ron Jeremy.

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27 minutes ago, njbuff said:

Don't get me wrong, Hillary belongs in jail, but............

 

how can a story that starts with "Sources" be taken seriously in today's environment of fake news?

 

This is one of those "walks like a duck" -sounding stories. I'll take it with a grain of salt (especially when you see some of the out of context quotes and other leaps in the story as written...the usual Daily Beast stuff) but it's not hard to find it true, is it?

 

1 minute ago, 3rdnlng said:

Please tell me it wasn't Ron Jeremy.

 

You say that, but in the higher rated reality show, it is. 

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9 minutes ago, BeginnersMind said:

 

This is one of those "walks like a duck" -sounding stories. I'll take it with a grain of salt (especially when you see some of the out of context quotes and other leaps in the story as written...the usual Daily Beast stuff) but it's not hard to find it true, is it?

 

 

You say that, but in the higher rated reality show, it is. 

So, my president got in a sword fight with Ron Jeremy and won? Damn, his hands must have gotten Yuge. He's really grown into the job. He started out as a Boyst and ended up as a Manst.

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1 hour ago, DC Tom said:

At that point, I'm not sure that constitutes "hacking" so much as "having an account."

 

If I'm remembering correctly, Greg alleges that the purpose of the private server was to allow free and unfettered access of state secrets to rival nations.

 

So, under that theory, you couldn't possibly be more accurate.

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4 minutes ago, TakeYouToTasker said:

 

If I'm remembering correctly, Greg alleges that the purpose of the private server was to allow free and unfettered access of state secrets to rival nations.

 

So, under that theory, you couldn't possibly be more accurate.

 

I strongly doubt it.  I believe the purpose was far more prosaic, and far more damaging: hiding official records from Congressional oversight.

 

Given that the emails available on the State Department reading room clearly show a comingling of government and Clinton Foundation business, I think there's plenty of evidence for that motive over "sharing secrets."

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24 minutes ago, DC Tom said:

 

I strongly doubt it.  I believe the purpose was far more prosaic, and far more damaging: hiding official records from Congressional oversight.

 

Given that the emails available on the State Department reading room clearly show a comingling of government and Clinton Foundation business, I think there's plenty of evidence for that motive over "sharing secrets."

 

I agree with you, though I make room for the possibility that the server was used as a "dead drop" for the things that she was selling.

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1 hour ago, DC Tom said:

 

I strongly doubt it.  I believe the purpose was far more prosaic, and far more damaging: hiding official records from Congressional oversight.

 

Given that the emails available on the State Department reading room clearly show a comingling of government and Clinton Foundation business, I think there's plenty of evidence for that motive over "sharing secrets."

 

That's the perfect cover, we saw it in July of '16. Feigning ignorance/asking forgiveness rather than permission, Comey essentially bailed her out with that excuse. And remember where Comey comes from - HSBC who was directly involved in CF money. He was also at... Lockheed Martin, hacked by China in 2011 and also pilfered the F-35. This network goes well beyond just the concoction of Russia Collusion. They were actively betraying this country's better interests for decades.  

 

If her purpose was more prosiac and geared more towards hiding stuff from federal records - why was her server not only unsecured but unencrypted for the first month+ of her term as SecState? Even if Hillary and her team were as technologically inept as Comey tried to make them sound, surely they would want to encrypt their servers designed to hide information, no?

 

It wasn't an accident or oversight. It was the perfect delivery system for such a scheme, with a built in "get out of jail free card":

 

$$ ---> CF/CI ---> exposed SAPs on a server she knew not to be encrypted until after over a month on the job as SecSate = treason.

 

She was a paid asset, of multiple hostile intelligence services/nation states. Her role was providing access in return for the only thing the Clinton's care about more than money: her legacy, in the form of an unlimited campaign war chest. In exchange her handlers got unfettered access to our state secrets plus (another) POTUS puppet. 

 

Remember this: had she won, none of this would have been outted. Not the Chinese penetration, not DF's driver, not any of the Russian set up... 

 

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4 hours ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

That's the perfect cover, we saw it in July of '16. Feigning ignorance/asking forgiveness rather than permission, Comey essentially bailed her out with that excuse. And remember where Comey comes from - HSBC who was directly involved in CF money. He was also at... Lockheed Martin, hacked by China in 2011 and also pilfered the F-35. This network goes well beyond just the concoction of Russia Collusion. They were actively betraying this country's better interests for decades.  

 

If her purpose was more prosiac and geared more towards hiding stuff from federal records - why was her server not only unsecured but unencrypted for the first month+ of her term as SecState? Even if Hillary and her team were as technologically inept as Comey tried to make them sound, surely they would want to encrypt their servers designed to hide information, no?

 

It wasn't an accident or oversight. It was the perfect delivery system for such a scheme, with a built in "get out of jail free card":

 

$$ ---> CF/CI ---> exposed SAPs on a server she knew not to be encrypted until after over a month on the job as SecSate = treason.

 

She was a paid asset, of multiple hostile intelligence services/nation states. Her role was providing access in return for the only thing the Clinton's care about more than money: her legacy, in the form of an unlimited campaign war chest. In exchange her handlers got unfettered access to our state secrets plus (another) POTUS puppet. 

 

Remember this: had she won, none of this would have been outted. Not the Chinese penetration, not DF's driver, not any of the Russian set up... 

 

 

I categorically reject this, simply on the basis that any counter to any of that I provide just becomes part of the "perfect cover," which cover wasn't even needed if she was expected to win.

 

There's many other points you made that are ridiculous (for example: as a former First Lady, she had unfettered access to intelligence, and unlimited opportunity to distribute it through the Clinton Foundataion, which she actually, provably did - no need for a convoluted justification for a server) but that circular reasoning is itself enough to blow a massive hole in such an overly complex conspiracy.  

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20 minutes ago, DC Tom said:

 

I categorically reject this, simply on the basis that any counter to any of that I provide just becomes part of the "perfect cover," which cover wasn't even needed if she was expected to win.

 

There's many other points you made that are ridiculous (for example: as a former First Lady, she had unfettered access to intelligence, and unlimited opportunity to distribute it through the Clinton Foundataion, which she actually, provably did - no need for a convoluted justification for a server) but that circular reasoning is itself enough to blow a massive hole in such an overly complex conspiracy.  

 

The level of access of her former position compared to SecState is apples to boulders, no? First Ladies are cleared for almost anything based on their proximity to POTUS, but they don't get looped in nor have access to any classified comms regarding SAPs. They'd have to ask, and leave a trail. Not even 43 could get that access out of office without leaving a trail. But SecState does, or can, without any fuss.

 

We both agree CF was a pay for play operation - even if we disagree on the nefariousness of it all. This isn't a sweeping circle or grand conspiracy in numbers. This is the Clinton network in action - they may be(have been) above the law, but they've never been above exposure and always effort to minimize it... usually poorly. Her term as SecState was a 4 year shopping spree for anyone with enough millions to donate to the CF/HRC 2016. The hope for all was that relationship would continue for 8 more years in the Oval.  

 

Going in reverse and backing up to your first point: She was expected to win in 2016. The "breach" happened in early 2009 and was kept quiet. It wasn't until 2010-12 that the media paid any attention to the Chinese cyber threat (covered in another post I have to dig up), and no one took it seriously until the OPM breach (of which I know you're familiar) in '15. That's where CrowdStrike becomes very important to understand. CrowdStrike was essentially created to be a cyber-spin doctor for the Clinton machine (and by extension a lot of the power in the DNC).  

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15 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

The level of access of her former position compared to SecState is apples to boulders, no? First Ladies are cleared for almost anything based on their proximity to POTUS, but they don't get looped in nor have access to any classified comms regarding SAPs. They'd have to ask, and leave a trail. Not even 43 could get that access out of office without leaving a trail. But SecState does, or can, without any fuss.

 

As can a Senator on the Armed Services Committee, no doubt.  Even better, then can justify it with "oversight," and block inquiries with "privilege."  ?

 

Mostly, though...it's giving the self-serving B word more credit than she deserves for being clever and crafty.  Her entire history is based on relying on the short memories of the American public to mask the self-centeredness of her clumsy acts.  This is not a person who comes up with clever schemes in the employment of others, only awkward schemes in the service of herself.

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22 hours ago, BeginnersMind said:
23 hours ago, 3rdnlng said:

So, my president got in a sword fight with Ron Jeremy and won? Damn, his hands must have gotten Yuge. He's really grown into the job. He started out as a Boyst and ended up as a Manst.

 

I see DT as a catcher for RJ. 

I think you two should get a room... 

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FBI official pushes back on Trump-spread claim that Chinese firm hacked Clinton emails

 

Washington (CNN)An FBI official said Wednesday the bureau has not found any evidence to back up a claim made by a conservative news organization and spread by President Donald Trump that Hillary Clinton's private email server was hacked by a Chinese-owned company.

 

"The FBI has not found any evidence the servers were compromised," the official told CNN and other media outlets Wednesday.

 

https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/29/politics/donald-trump-china-hacking-clinton-emails/index.html

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FBI official pushes back on Trump-spread claim that Chinese firm hacked Clinton emails

 

Washington (CNN)An FBI official said Wednesday the bureau has not found any evidence to back up a claim made by a conservative news organization and spread by President Donald Trump that Hillary Clinton's private email server was hacked by a Chinese-owned company.

 

"The FBI has not found any evidence the servers were compromised," the official told CNN and other media outlets Wednesday.

 

https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/29/politics/donald-trump-china-hacking-clinton-emails/index.html

 

lol the FBI

 

all the lols

 

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Chine collusion? This needs to be seriously investigated. Not by the corrupt fbi. A special council needs to be brought together to investigate this very serious charge!!

 

Could Hillary be going to prison for treason? Wouldn't it be something, all along Trump was being accused of collusion when it was Hillary all along! ?

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FBI official pushes back on Trump-spread claim that Chinese firm hacked Clinton emails

 

Washington (CNN)An FBI official said Wednesday the bureau has not found any evidence to back up a claim made by a conservative news organization and spread by President Donald Trump that Hillary Clinton's private email server was hacked by a Chinese-owned company.

 

"The FBI has not found any evidence the servers were compromised," the official told CNN and other media outlets Wednesday.

 

https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/29/politics/donald-trump-china-hacking-clinton-emails/index.html

Shirley you can't be serious.

 

Just being alive in 2018 every single person is subjected on a daily basis to attempts at getting their information.  You only need to make one mistake, sometimes not even one, and you are compromised.  The people after you can be buffoonish or sophisticated but they are not the top dogs.

 

What level of sophistication do you think goes into trying to get at State secrets?  Again, some of this is buffoonish but some is ultra sophisticated.  We know that Podesta fell for one of the buffoons which exposed the domain name "clintonemail".  I'd bet $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ that the domain name was well known long before the DNC hack.  Couple that with the also known facts that this server was first in her house, then in a bathroom, and never encrypted, and ask yourself honestly, using your own personal experience, if the statement that there was no evidence it had been hacked passes the smell test.  

 

One possibility is that it had been hacked and the trail was covered up by the hackers or someone else.  I suppose this is plausible if you hit your head on the pavement while descending from the turnip truck.  The other is similar to believing that there was once a gigantic pot of gold sitting in the middle of Times Square, and rainbows from all across the land terminated at the top of it, but we all just walked by and didn't touch it despite all of us desiring gold more than anything else.

 

England, France, Germany, Russia, China, Israel, Iran, Mexican cartels, India, Pakistan, and many independent organizations all likely had a taste.  If she hadn't had a private server, there would have been fewer, but not none.  I get that asking the queen to follow the rules is simply unacceptable, but at least don't throw Occum's Shaver out the window.

 

 

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19 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said:

Shirley you can't be serious.

 

Just being alive in 2018 every single person is subjected on a daily basis to attempts at getting their information.  You only need to make one mistake, sometimes not even one, and you are compromised.  The people after you can be buffoonish or sophisticated but they are not the top dogs.

 

What level of sophistication do you think goes into trying to get at State secrets?  Again, some of this is buffoonish but some is ultra sophisticated.  We know that Podesta fell for one of the buffoons which exposed the domain name "clintonemail".  I'd bet $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ that the domain name was well known long before the DNC hack.  Couple that with the also known facts that this server was first in her house, then in a bathroom, and never encrypted, and ask yourself honestly, using your own personal experience, if the statement that there was no evidence it had been hacked passes the smell test.  

 

One possibility is that it had been hacked and the trail was covered up by the hackers or someone else.  I suppose this is plausible if you hit your head on the pavement while descending from the turnip truck.  The other is similar to believing that there was once a gigantic pot of gold sitting in the middle of Times Square, and rainbows from all across the land terminated at the top of it, but we all just walked by and didn't touch it despite all of us desiring gold more than anything else.

 

England, France, Germany, Russia, China, Israel, Iran, Mexican cartels, India, Pakistan, and many independent organizations all likely had a taste.  If she hadn't had a private server, there would have been fewer, but not none.  I get that asking the queen to follow the rules is simply unacceptable, but at least don't throw Occum's Shaver out the window.

 

 

 

Agreed. There's been little definitive reporting on this yet, but it's just way too easy to believe her server was hacked due to her arrogance in keeping it.

 

%^&# her. 

 

The FBI guy is probably telling his truth, as far as he knows it. I'd call this story "developing."

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