GreggTX Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 (edited) Forget Mack for now. We need a serious influx of pass protection. I won't beat that point to death. If you don't believe it by now, you never will I don't see much talent out there in FA. What other option is there? Our QB's are in for a long season if this isn't addressed. They thought they could sit tight for a year until we get some cap space, but now I'm not so sure? Am I overreacting? Your thoughts? Edited August 27, 2018 by GreggTX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 (edited) Is there a stud OT available ? Edited August 27, 2018 by Boatdrinks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 1 minute ago, GreggTX said: And what, if anything, should he offer? What do you have in mind? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Domdab99 Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 They're not going to trade for an OLman. I certainly hope they pick up someone who gets cut, tho. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 1 minute ago, Domdab99 said: They're not going to trade for an OLman. I certainly hope they pick up someone who gets cut, tho. any ideas as to who? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Domdab99 Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 1 minute ago, reddogblitz said: any ideas as to who? not until someone gets cut! 2 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreggTX Posted August 27, 2018 Author Share Posted August 27, 2018 1 minute ago, Domdab99 said: They're not going to trade for an OLman. I certainly hope they pick up someone who gets cut, tho. You may be right, but I bet Beane will at least make some calls and perhaps be a little more generous. JJ Watt must be hungry to play against us. Marcell too. 2 minutes ago, reddogblitz said: any ideas as to who? Someone they'd have to offer too much for, but this is really bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 21 minutes ago, GreggTX said: Forget Mack for now. We need a serious influx of pass protection. I won't beat that point to death. If you don't believe it by now, you never will I don't see much talent out there in FA. What other option is there? Our QB's are in for a long season if this isn't addressed. They thought they could sit tight for a year until we get some cap space, but now I'm not so sure? Am I overreacting? Your thoughts? Most teams don't carry spare OL talent. A team that has a rookie OLman who has come along faster than expected, is still not likely to want to trade off the vet he's replacing (and if the vet is so good, why is he being replaced?) until the rookie is proven in regular-season games. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreggTX Posted August 27, 2018 Author Share Posted August 27, 2018 21 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said: Is there a stud OT available ? I guess that depends what you're willing to give up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purple haze Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Domdab99 said: They're not going to trade for an OLman. I certainly hope they pick up someone who gets cut, tho. Teams cut projects or overpriced, under performing vets. There is no definitive help coming. Even if they pick up a guy off the street, he's likely to not be much better and he won't know the system. McD better get what they have playing better or the goose is cooked. Edited August 27, 2018 by purple haze Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreggTX Posted August 27, 2018 Author Share Posted August 27, 2018 1 minute ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Most teams don't carry spare OL talent. A team that has a rookie OLman who has come along faster than expected, is still not likely to want to trade off the vet he's replacing (and if the vet is so good, why is he being replaced?) until the rookie is proven in regular-season games. Not in recent years anyways. I think they will eventually replace a couple guys with marginal talent. That's probably as good as it gets. You don't want to just change the names on the OL, but I expect that after watching more film of this nightmare, they will deem 1 or 2 guys as just not up to par with NFL level ability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPar_v2 Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 4 minutes ago, GreggTX said: I guess that depends what you're willing to give up. Nah not really. No team is going to trade a starting caliber lineman on the eve of the regular season. 1 minute ago, GreggTX said: Not in recent years anyways. I think they will eventually replace a couple guys with marginal talent. That's probably as good as it gets. You don't want to just change the names on the OL, but I expect that after watching more film of this nightmare, they will deem 1 or 2 guys as just not up to par with NFL level ability. So why did you start this thread and ask if you already know the answer? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigDingus Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 15 minutes ago, GreggTX said: We need a serious influx of pass protection. I won't beat that point to death. If you don't believe it by now, you never will. The board has been filled with those people. After losing Glenn, Incognito, and Woods, you'd think people would automatically realize that we were going to regress significantly... But no, countless excuses & willfully ignorant posts always counter any discussion of the O-line issue, as people have convinced themselves that Josh Allen is just so good, the O-line won't even matter. As amazing as it was to break the playoff drought last season, most of the board members get pissy if you even suggest that we're not going to repeat this year, or mentioning that Josh Allen hasn't suddenly overcome the huge issues he's had his entire playing career in a handful of preseason games against backups & one month of camp.... You can't WISH the Bills into success, no matter how much you want. And just because you want to see the shiny new 1st round QB so bad, that's no reason to rush him out there to get destroyed. The Bills do not have a very good track record of developing QB's, nor do the fans have a good track record of supporting these guys for long. We send them into the meat grinder, spit em out the other side, call it a day & move on to the next one. Let's not risk ruining a potentially good thing with Allen unless we absolutely NEED him to play. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thurst44 Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 22 minutes ago, GreggTX said: Forget Mack for now. We need a serious influx of pass protection. I won't beat that point to death. If you don't believe it by now, you never will I don't see much talent out there in FA. What other option is there? Our QB's are in for a long season if this isn't addressed. They thought they could sit tight for a year until we get some cap space, but now I'm not so sure? Am I overreacting? Your thoughts? While the o-line was atrocious the last two games, I'm not sure how you could watch this game and not be even more inclined to want to get someone like Mack? We were getting zero pressure on the QB leading to our best aspect (the secondary) being picked apart. Also, we can fix two parts at once :). And, yes, I know you were just saying "forget Mack" as an expression, but Hap above makes a good point: it's unlikely anyone is parting with someone at this point. The best bet may be taking a shot on someone off the scrap heap (Joeckel or somebody), trying different combos (the mythic Teller, who i'd loved to have seen more of) or hoping that there is vast improvement in the next two weeks. Many teams have looked terrible in the pre-season...the Eagles lost 5-0 to the Browns for their third loss. It's not impossible that they play better in two weeks. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 Hey pro bowl talent is out there ... Ritchie Incognito!!! https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/all/offensive-line/available/ 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreggTX Posted August 27, 2018 Author Share Posted August 27, 2018 Just now, JoPar_v2 said: Nah not really. No team is going to trade a starting caliber lineman on the eve of the regular season. I suspect that there are a few backups that could win a starting job here, though. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPar_v2 Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 Just now, GreggTX said: I suspect that there are a few backups that could win a starting job here, though. Cool so replace trash with more trash. Smart idea 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billieve420 Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 Honestly I wouldn’t care if they replaced every starter except Dawkins. Hopefully they are targeting teams with strong o-lines. Literally I would replace every backup except teller and put them on the 53 man roster with hopes they could replace the person in front of them at some point during the season. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreggTX Posted August 27, 2018 Author Share Posted August 27, 2018 2 minutes ago, BigDingus said: The board has been filled with those people. After losing Glenn, Incognito, and Woods, you'd think people would automatically realize that we were going to regress significantly... But no, countless excuses & willfully ignorant posts always counter any discussion of the O-line issue, as people have convinced themselves that Josh Allen is just so good, the O-line won't even matter. As amazing as it was to break the playoff drought last season, most of the board members get pissy if you even suggest that we're not going to repeat this year, or mentioning that Josh Allen hasn't suddenly overcome the huge issues he's had his entire playing career in a handful of preseason games against backups & one month of camp.... You can't WISH the Bills into success, no matter how much you want. And just because you want to see the shiny new 1st round QB so bad, that's no reason to rush him out there to get destroyed. The Bills do not have a very good track record of developing QB's, nor do the fans have a good track record of supporting these guys for long. We send them into the meat grinder, spit em out the other side, call it a day & move on to the next one. Let's not risk ruining a potentially good thing with Allen unless we absolutely NEED him to play. When you say they don't develop QB's well, I think that's on the coaches and we've had a lot of turnover there. I'm not sure the past is very relevant hto that point, but I won't argue with the rest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 2 minutes ago, billieve420 said: Honestly I wouldn’t care if they replaced every starter except Dawkins. Hopefully they are targeting teams with strong o-lines. Literally I would replace every backup except teller and put them on the 53 man roster with hopes they could replace the person in front of them at some point during the season. I'm starting to wonder if our backups are better. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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