Double Standard Kelvin Benjamin/Jalen Ramsey?

[LaDexter]

Jalen Ramsey is a bigoted white hating CrimiNolean moron....

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

Ironically I don’t think Jalen mentioned Cam

 

wonder what he said. 

 

I get it a bit though. K-Benj knocked a former teammate (sounded like sour grapes)

 

Ramsey is just hating QBs like any good corner should... 

Edited August 16, 2018 by Over 29 years of fanhood

[BillsBytheBay]

4 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

This isn’t true. He took shots at a few qbs, but said postive things about the majority of qbs he discussed.

He liked so many white QB's too.  Wentz, Cousins, mariota, Rodgers....

The guy is a loud mouth...like a lot of good DB's

 

It's fun to watch folks lose their minds over WORDS!!!  

and read Into stuff soooooooo deep.  

[BuffaloRush]

I think that most people are laughing at Jalen Ramsey because:

 

A.) he seems to have the verbal ability of a 6 year old.  

 

B.) He trashed so many QB’s that it was entertaining.  His criticisms were so over-the-top, it was funny.  Big Ben is a HOF QB.  Matt Ryan might be close behind.  Yet Ramsey dismissed these two as not being good.  He comes off as a clown and people enjoy that.

 

As far as KB, most people didn’t really care as much.  His comments weren’t as unfiltered or amusing.  And he didn’t speak like a kindergartener.  He criticized Cam but it just wasn’t as funny.  

 

I will say this - he does seem to have a fixation on Josh Allen.  It’s bizarre.  I really hope the Bills light this SOB up.  

14 hours ago, Seanbillsfan2206 said:

Racism

 

Its hard to tell because so many QB’s are white. 

28 minutes ago, JaxBills said:

For what it's worth, he has 2 less than Revis at this point.  Revis had his big pick year in his 3rd season.... Than guys stopped throwing his way.  Lots of 2 and 3 pick seasons after that.

 

Not necessarily true.  Deion Sanders has career highs in INT right at the peak of his career.  He completely took out the other WR, yet was able to pull down 6 and 7 INT’s a year

Edited August 16, 2018 by BuffaloRush

[BillsBytheBay]

8 minutes ago, BuffaloRush said:

I think that most people are laughing at Jalen Ramsey because:

 

A.) he seems to have the verbal ability of a 6 year old.  

 

B.) He trashed so many QB’s that it was entertaining.  His criticisms were so over-the-top, it was funny.  Big Ben is a HOF QB.  Matt Ryan might be close behind.  Yet Ramsey dismissed these two as not being good.  He comes off as a clown and people enjoy that.

 

As far as KB, most people didn’t really care as much.  His comments weren’t as unfiltered or amusing.  And he didn’t speak like a kindergartener.  He criticized Cam but it just wasn’t as funny.  

 

I will say this - he does seem to have a fixation on Josh Allen.  It’s bizarre.  I really hope the Bills light this SOB up.  

 

Its hard to tell because so many QB’s are white.  I will say he does seem to have a bizarre fixation on Josh Allen.  

 

Not necessarily true.  Deion Sanders has career highs in INT right at the peak of his career.  He completely took out the other WR, yet was able to pull down 6 and 7 INT’s a year

Dion is a terrible example.  If he didn't get it in the air, he was useless.  One of the all time greats,  but he was the best ever at one thing, and terrible at EVERYthing else. But agreed on everything else.

Edited August 16, 2018 by JaxBills

[BuffaloRush]

Just now, JaxBills said:

Dion is a terrible example.  If he didn't get it in the air, he was useless.  One of the all time greats,  but he was the best ever at one thing, and terrible at EVERYthing else.

 

I completely disagree.  There were times when Deion completely eliminated the side of the field that he was on.  IMO he was the best CB of All-Time.  Yes, better than Revis 

[Fadingpain]

15 hours ago, benderbender said:

I’m curious as to why Kelvin Benjamin was, for the most part, vilified by the national media for giving  honest answers regarding Cam Newton, and yet the talking heads praise Jalen Ramsey’s trash talk. Stephen A Smith called his rant “compelling.”

https://youtu.be/WeW5ngFzt8w

Of course they are going to play this crap up.  It gets clicks, creates viewers, etc...

 

This is the crap that people love to watch/talk about.  Some probably love Ramsey for this stuff, most probably hate him...but either way it brings in business  to those in media. 

 

Is that not obvious?

 

 

[BillsBytheBay]

9 minutes ago, BuffaloRush said:

 

I completely disagree.  There were times when Deion completely eliminated the side of the field that he was on.  IMO he was the best CB of All-Time.  Yes, better than Revis 

Nope.  Wouldn't go that way at all.  Moss is better than rice. But I'd take the guy who always great.  Not at times great.

[LaDexter]

28 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

Ramsey is just hating QBs like any good corner should.

 

 

He race baited the whole Mayfield/Watson issue, implying that the NFL was racist for picking Mayfield #1 while Watson fell out of the top 10 .... (where did Gino Torretta go?)

 

 

Jalen Ramsey is attacking ONLY WHITE QBs.

 

He needs to be IDed as a bigot for doing so...

[BuffaloRush]

1 minute ago, JaxBills said:

Nope.  Wouldn't go that way at all.  Moss is better than rice. But I'd take the guy who always great.  Not at times great.

 

At one point, Revis was one of the best.  He was never the same after his first stint in NY.  As far as being always great, Stevie Johnson might be regarded as slightly above average by NFL standards.  He can make the argument that he owned Revis. Deion = the GOAT.

[BillsBytheBay]

2 minutes ago, BuffaloRush said:

 

At one point, Revis was one of the best.  He was never the same after his first stint in NY.  As far as being always great, Stevie Johnson might be regarded as slightly above average by NFL standards.  He can make the argument that he owned Revis. Deion = the GOAT.

Both great players.  

[BuffaloRush]

1 minute ago, JaxBills said:

Both great players.  

Agreed

[BillsBytheBay]

4 minutes ago, BuffaloRush said:

 

At one point, Revis was one of the best.  He was never the same after his first stint in NY.  As far as being always great, Stevie Johnson might be regarded as slightly above average by NFL standards.  He can make the argument that he owned Revis. Deion = the GOAT.

I would also contend that rrvis played against better talant.  And Brady twice a year for over half his career.

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

12 minutes ago, LaDexter said:

 

 

He race baited the whole Mayfield/Watson issue, implying that the NFL was racist for picking Mayfield #1 while Watson fell out of the top 10 .... (where did Gino Torretta go?)

 

 

Jalen Ramsey is attacking ONLY WHITE QBs.

 

He needs to be IDed as a bigot for doing so...

 

Mayfeild / Watson? 

 

You mean mayfield /Jackson? 

 

Are you saying all all black people look alike???

 

man that’s just  bad form! 

[formerlyofCtown]

16 hours ago, benderbender said:

I’m curious as to why Kelvin Benjamin was, for the most part, vilified by the national media for giving  honest answers regarding Cam Newton, and yet the talking heads praise Jalen Ramsey’s trash talk. Stephen A Smith called his rant “compelling.”

https://youtu.be/WeW5ngFzt8w

I'll speak the truth.  Cam is black and Josh Allen is white.

[RaoulDuke79]

My main problem is that Ramsey referred to Allen as "trash". I don't know what Benjamin said in regards to Newton, but to call someone trash is taking it to another level.

[BillsBytheBay]

Just now, RaoulDuke79 said:

My main problem is that Ramsey referred to Allen as "trash". I don't know what Benjamin said in regards to Newton, but to call someone trash is taking it to another level.

Nah.  Sticks and stones

[RaoulDuke79]

1 minute ago, JaxBills said:

Nah.  Sticks and stones

Until someone says something thats "too offensive". If it were just words there wouldn't be a language filter on here.

[BillsBytheBay]

Ive always had the same opinion about stuff like this... I think to myself:  What makes you think I care enough about you to value your opinion?

 

I hate using generalizations, but honestly if his words upset any of you... Well that's your fault.

5 minutes ago, RaoulDuke79 said:

Until someone says something thats "too offensive". If it were just words there wouldn't be a language filter on here.

WE police this site.  Comics and cable are good examples to.  They both created organizations that aren't government to hold them selves to a standard.  And we should all rise to meet collective standards we agree on, but in the end... Yes. They are just words.  And if you can't handle that, it's not the world's fault.

 

And mainly, we do it to shield children.  That's why South Park dropped the poop word on late night cable.  A lot.

Edited August 16, 2018 by JaxBills

[RaoulDuke79]

5 minutes ago, JaxBills said:

Ive always had the same opinion about stuff like this... I think to myself:  What makes you think I care enough about you to value your opinion?

 

I hate using generalizations, but honestly if his words upset any of you... Well that's your fault.

WE police this site.  Comics and cable are good examples to.  They both created organizations that aren't government to hold them selves to a standard.  And we should all rise to meet collective standards we agree on, but in the end... Yes. They are just words.  And if you can't handle that, it's not the world's fault.

Words have repercussions. You cant honestly tell me that if someone called your wife or mother the b word or the c word in front of you, that you would sit there and shrug it off as just words. I'm all for people being able to say what they wish, and I'm all for people being able to react as they see fit.

[BillsBytheBay]

7 minutes ago, RaoulDuke79 said:

Words have repercussions. You cant honestly tell me that if someone called your wife or mother the b word or the c word in front of you, that you would sit there and shrug it off as just words. I'm all for people being able to say what they wish, and I'm all for people being able to react as they see fit.

They do.  Everything anyone does carries repercutions.  But not from us.  We view their world.  He will have to answer to the QBs he trashed.....and guess what?   I'm sure that is what he wants.

 

And yes.  I would do nothing.  Why?  They mean nothing to me and I have a family to support.  Trust me.  From years of experience of deciding if we had to fight of diffuse a situation, it's a balancing act.  But it's also something we deal with on smaller scales as well.  

 

Jalen is a loud mouth yes.  But WHY do WE care?

 

News flash.  Life isn't easy or fair. 

Edited August 16, 2018 by JaxBills

[Bray Wyatt]

1 hour ago, dave mcbride said:

This isn’t true. He took shots at a few qbs, but said postive things about the majority of qbs he discussed.

 

What did I say wasn’t true? He took a shot at a lot of qbs and specifically said Matt Ryan was overrated.

[dave mcbride]

45 minutes ago, Bray Wyatt said:

 

What did I say wasn’t true? He took a shot at a lot of qbs and specifically said Matt Ryan was overrated.

You said “most.” He was actually at least moderately complimentary to most of the qbs in the piece (i.e., more than half) — garrapolo, goff, cousins, brady, carr, brees, mariota, tyrod, rogers, prescott (to a lesser extent), watson, foles, wentz, Wilson, etc.

[The_Dude]

No, it’s not the same. KB ripped a former teammate. That’s wrong. 

 

Also, Cam Newton may be a HoFer. KB will never sniff Canton. 

 

So I gave the comments lots of side eye. 

[3rdand12]

17 hours ago, Seanbillsfan2206 said:

Racism

Polar shift.

[BillsBytheBay]

3 hours ago, The_Dude said:

No, it’s not the same. KB ripped a former teammate. That’s wrong. 

 

Also, Cam Newton may be a HoFer. KB will never sniff Canton. 

 

So I gave the comments lots of side eye. 

Niether will be enshrined. Q

4 hours ago, Bray Wyatt said:

 

What did I say wasn’t true? He took a shot at a lot of qbs and specifically said Matt Ryan was overrated.

I think Ryan is good, but him missing a wide open Tony g

Gonzales to go to a super bowl, never leaves my thoughts.

 

I just tried to find a clip....but it's like it never happened on the internet now..... Someone else please remember that?

Edited August 17, 2018 by JaxBills

[boyst]

5 hours ago, RaoulDuke79 said:

Words have repercussions. You cant honestly tell me that if someone called your wife or mother the b word or the c word in front of you, that you would sit there and shrug it off as just words. I'm all for people being able to say what they wish, and I'm all for people being able to react as they see fit.

Yes.  I would. And have. It's called being an adult.

 

Words don't have any repercussions to mature individuals with balanced emotions.  

 

The term sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me was not just something we were told. It was the honest truth 

 

Let them talk loudly, but overcome them with your character.  If we all reacted to what people say in such an emotionally unstable world this place be a lot more dangerous and ridiculous; downright unstable.  There is too God damn much talking going on in this world today that the last thing we need is some virtue signalling individual to decide they are entitled to respond because "words hurt," as they say.

 

Grow the !@#$ up if words hurt, because one day those words won't be as hard as the cold reality of this world when you're left to figure it out on your own.

[MJS]

19 hours ago, Jpsredemption said:

People are afraid to criticize Ramsey because his comments seem racially motivated and you can't possibly call out a non-Caucasian for this. 

 

That's garbage. He had both good and bad things to say about white QB's.

9 hours ago, LaDexter said:

 

 

He race baited the whole Mayfield/Watson issue, implying that the NFL was racist for picking Mayfield #1 while Watson fell out of the top 10 .... (where did Gino Torretta go?)

 

 

Jalen Ramsey is attacking ONLY WHITE QBs.

 

He needs to be IDed as a bigot for doing so...

 

He said good things about a lot of White QB's too. How do you explain that?

[Jpsredemption]

3 hours ago, MJS said:

 

That's garbage. He had both good and bad things to say about white QB's.

 

He said good things about a lot of White QB's too. How do you explain that?

I stand by my point. The comments were racially motivated and if you read between the lines you can see that.

[The_Dude]

9 hours ago, JaxBills said:

Niether will be enshrined. 

 

 

You could be right, but I’d rather let Cam’s play decide. 

[Bray Wyatt]

13 hours ago, dave mcbride said:

You said “most.” He was actually at least moderately complimentary to most of the qbs in the piece (i.e., more than half) — garrapolo, goff, cousins, brady, carr, brees, mariota, tyrod, rogers, prescott (to a lesser extent), watson, foles, wentz, Wilson, etc.

 

Garrapolo - system qb

 

Goff - same

 

Prescott - he started off nice, and then ended up with its all Zeke

 

Allen, Flacco, Luck, Big Ben, Eli, Tannehill, Ryan - all suck or are overrated

 

So maybe the term most wasnt the best descriptor, but my point was in the post i quoted to point out that Ramsey took shots at a lot of qbs in the post not just a rookie, and even a former MVP

[BillsBytheBay]

1 hour ago, The_Dude said:

 

 

You could be right, but I’d rather let Cam’s play decide. 

Well that was an opinion based off Cam's play.  Don't get me wrong, I like Cam.  But you are correct.  His play will decide.  Good to know we're on the same page, lol ?

Edited August 17, 2018 by JaxBills

[MJS]

2 hours ago, Jpsredemption said:

I stand by my point. The comments were racially motivated and if you read between the lines you can see that.

 

Explain how.

[The_Dude]

1 minute ago, JaxBills said:

Well that was an opinion based off Cam's play.  Don't get me wrong, I like Cam.  But you are correct.  His play will decide.  Good to know we're on the same page, lol ?

 

I really like Cam. If Allen is 80% of what Cam is we'll be alright. 

[BillsBytheBay]

5 minutes ago, MJS said:

 

Explain how.

Holy crap...people are still race baiting this?  

3 minutes ago, The_Dude said:

 

I really like Cam. If Allen is 80% of what Cam is we'll be alright. 

We need Allen to be %100 + of what Cam is.  I like Cam.  Really, but the way he plays to take over games has hurt him bad.  We need Allen to be better.

Edited August 17, 2018 by JaxBills

[MJS]

2 minutes ago, JaxBills said:

Holy crap...people are still race baiting this?  

 

I think Ramsey is a moron but it is pretty clear that race didn't play a big part of his thinking in his comments. For instance, he said that Kirk Cousins and Drew Brees were good QB's. He had less than stellar things to say about Dak Prescott, basically calling him mediocre.

 

So I'm confused why people are claiming this. Sure, he said good things about Tyrod and Wilson, but his comments on them are exactly in line with the national perception. Most people outside of Buffalo think Taylor is underrated (and they are wrong). Most people think Russell Wilson is a good QB.

So I don't see a lot of racial bias in his statements.

[C.Biscuit97]

27 minutes ago, JaxBills said:

Holy crap...people are still race baiting this?  

We need Allen to be %100 + of what Cam is.  I like Cam.  Really, but the way he plays to take over games has hurt him bad.  We need Allen to be better.

I think you are completely underestimating how good Newton is.  Won a heisman and national championship in the best college conference.  Went 15-1 and to the SB, while winning MVP (with KB).  If Allen comes close to that, I’d stain my ? and be very, very happy.

[BillsBytheBay]

1 minute ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

I think you are completely underestimating how good Newton is.  Won a heisman and national championship in the best college conference.  Went 15-1 and to the SB, while winning MVP (with KB).  If Allen comes close to that, I’d stain my ? and be very, very happy.

I really like Cam.  A lot.  But his career arc is like Matt Ryan.  Wilson too. Guys that I would take in a heart beat, but shouldn't go to Canton.

 

We need a Brees, or Rodgers dare I say.... Brady guy.  And they will be enshrined.   

Please don't take this as a slight against Cam.  I have ALWAYS been a Cam fan.

[C.Biscuit97]

3 minutes ago, JaxBills said:

I really like Cam.  A lot.  But his career arc is like Matt Ryan.  Wilson too. Guys that I would take in a heart beat, but shouldn't go to Canton.

 

We need a Brees, or Rodgers dare I say.... Brady guy.  And they will be enshrined.   

Please don't take this as a slight against Cam.  I have ALWAYS been a Cam fan.

But honestly based on Allen’s college career, it seems like his ceiling might be a Joe Flacco type.  Obviously things can change but guys like Newton and Ryan are probsbly in the top 5% of qbs.  I would love to see Allen reach this level but based on evidence so far, it seems really unlikely.

[BillsBytheBay]

2 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

But honestly based on Allen’s college career, it seems like his ceiling might be a Joe Flacco type.  Obviously things can change but guys like Newton and Ryan are probsbly in the top 5% of qbs.  I would love to see Allen reach this level but based on evidence so far, it seems really unlikely.

I don't disagree.  At all.  Not even remotely a point that Ive ever made.