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To me OL is the weakest link in the entire team, way worse than WR. 

 

What happens if Dawkins misses games with an injury? Arguably the worst line in the NFL

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12 minutes ago, BuffaloBaumer said:

I wonder if there is any chance in hell to get Richie to come back for 1 last year...

I think they've moved on from Richie.  They're building for the future and Richie is the past.  That's why they cut his pay.

 

Richie is anteammplayer, but I think there's more "I" in him that McD likes.  Richie and Kyle both are individuals, but Kyle is selfless.  Richie isn't. That's why Kyle is back and Richie isn't. 

2 minutes ago, bobobonators said:

To me OL is the weakest link in the entire team, way worse than WR. 

 

What happens if Dawkins misses games with an injury? Arguably the worst line in the NFL

On paper, yes. I think they will surprise you.  They won't play like the worst. 

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40 minutes ago, BuffaloBaumer said:

I wonder if there is any chance in hell to get Richie to come back for 1 last year...

 

If he gets 0 interest from other teams, there might be interest on Richie's part, but I'm pretty sure the Bills have moved on. 

 

I think the primary thing McDermott wants in a player is reliability. 

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4 hours ago, Aussie Joe said:

If Bodine and Newhouse end up being as good as Hyde and Poyer I will swim from Manly to Circular Quay..

 

Hmmmmm.  Let's hear you put it out there what you mean by "as good as" (since different positions) and by what criteria.

I'd also like to know your distance swimming chops - that's what, 17 km?

 

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Biggest issue IMO isn't the talent, it's the lack of continuity. Wood, Incognito and Glenn (to a lesser extent), and even Miller and Mills, had many games under their belt, playing next to each other. That's an important factor in how well a line plays, because each guy is in tune with the guy next to him, and what they do well and don't do well. It's about chemistry, and it's something that can only be replicated through time and experience. This year, with a few new faces taking over starting positions, it will take some time for guys to gel, and build chemistry with the players next to them.

 

Also, our QBs are young and inexperienced, and calling out adjusted protections at the line is a factor that gets overlooked when we "judge" the offensive line. 

 

Basically what I'm saying is, I believe the line will be fine, but will likely be shaky and inconsistent early on, and aside from the QB position, could be the major reason why the Bills take a bit of a step back this year, record wise. I don't see a 2-4 win team, like some "pundits" have said, but a 6-8 win team. Rome wasn't built in a day, and I've accepted the idea of a "down" year, compared to a team that essentially overachieved and ended the drought. I believe the defense will keep them in games, but this year will be more about building a foundation on offense with a new OC, and players gaining valuable experience that will prove to be imperative to success in the upcoming seasons.

 

Also, I think Ducasse is still being unfairly criticized by some people. He was pretty good last year, especially later in the season. I believe he was a top 30(?) rated guard in the league last year (by PFF's metrics FWIW). 

 

Not sure how he'll look with more down blocking than last year, and switching from RG to LG, but I think we should wait and see.

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28 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

 

I think the primary thing McDermott wants in a player is reliability. 

I agree about this.  

 

People talk about what McDermott means when he talks about the process and about character.  We've seen it for a year now, and it's pretty clear.  

 

McD wants guys who are 100% team oriented.  He wants guys who will compete until they drop.  He wants guys ho don't have personal issues. He wants guys who will commit to the process.  

 

He believes that his TEAM will be better than a team with more talent, if his roster is full of those guys and the other team's roster isn't. Ideally his players have those qualities AND have talent, but if he has to choose, he'll take character first.  

 

Listen to what McBeane said about Allen and Edmunds.  Character, character, character.  Oh, yeah, and premier physical abilities.  But character came first. 

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11 minutes ago, Drunken Pygmy Goat said:

Biggest issue IMO isn't the talent, it's the lack of continuity. Wood, Incognito and Glenn (to a lesser extent), and even Miller and Mills, had many games under their belt, playing next to each other. That's an important factor in how well a line plays, because each guy is in tune with the guy next to him, and what they do well and don't do well. It's about chemistry, and it's something that can only be replicated through time and experience. This year, with a few new faces taking over starting positions, it will take some time for guys to gel, and build chemistry with the players next to them.

 

Also, our QBs are young and inexperienced, and calling out adjusted protections at the line is a factor that gets overlooked when we "judge" the offensive line. 

 

Basically what I'm saying is, I believe the line will be fine, but will likely be shaky and inconsistent early on, and aside from the QB position, could be the major reason why the Bills take a bit of a step back this year, record wise. I don't see a 2-4 win team, like some "pundits" have said, but a 6-8 win team. Rome wasn't built in a day, and I've accepted the idea of a "down" year, compared to a team that essentially overachieved and ended the drought. I believe the defense will keep them in games, but this year will be more about building a foundation on offense with a new OC, and players gaining valuable experience that will prove to be imperative to success in the upcoming seasons.

 

Also, I think Ducasse is still being unfairly criticized by some people. He was pretty good last year, especially later in the season. I believe he was a top 30(?) rated guard in the league last year (by PFF's metrics FWIW). 

 

Not sure how he'll look with more down blocking than last year, and switching from RG to LG, but I think we should wait and see.

Continuity only matters with system. The Raiders are a perfect example, last years Bills also to a lesser extent. The Raiders had what was considered the best OL in football, or at least top 3. They changed the system and couldn't block anyone. 

 

We really won't know how good or bad they are as a unit until they play. There aren't any 1st round picks, but so on paper it looks weak, but hopefully the coaches and QB will put them in situations to succeed. 

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17 minutes ago, Drunken Pygmy Goat said:

Biggest issue IMO isn't the talent, it's the lack of continuity. Wood, Incognito and Glenn (to a lesser extent), and even Miller and Mills, had many games under their belt, playing next to each other. That's an important factor in how well a line plays, because each guy is in tune with the guy next to him, and what they do well and don't do well. It's about chemistry, and it's something that can only be replicated through time and experience. This year, with a few new faces taking over starting positions, it will take some time for guys to gel, and build chemistry with the players next to them.

 

Also, our QBs are young and inexperienced, and calling out adjusted protections at the line is a factor that gets overlooked when we "judge" the offensive line. 

 

Basically what I'm saying is, I believe the line will be fine, but will likely be shaky and inconsistent early on, and aside from the QB position, could be the major reason why the Bills take a bit of a step back this year, record wise. I don't see a 2-4 win team, like some "pundits" have said, but a 6-8 win team. Rome wasn't built in a day, and I've accepted the idea of a "down" year, compared to a team that essentially overachieved and ended the drought. I believe the defense will keep them in games, but this year will be more about building a foundation on offense with a new OC, and players gaining valuable experience that will prove to be imperative to success in the upcoming seasons.

 

Also, I think Ducasse is still being unfairly criticized by some people. He was pretty good last year, especially later in the season. I believe he was a top 30(?) rated guard in the league last year (by PFF's metrics FWIW). 

 

Not sure how he'll look with more down blocking than last year, and switching from RG to LG, but I think we should wait and see.

Solid analysis. Thanks. 

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17 hours ago, Soda Popinski said:

Dawkins played well enough last year, but then again he had a pro bowl LG by him.  This year he's got to be the veteran bringing other guys up.   Miller I expect to step in and take a guard spot and wherever he plays we should not see a dropoff at that position, so that's two positions i don't expect a decline in.    Whether Groy or Bodine at center IDK, I liked Groy when he subbed in for Wood, Bodine was about as highly touted as Mills was coming here. same with Newhouse.  

 

If they start Vlad, I don't expect him to be anything more than barely competent.   Same with Mills at RT.  

 

So 2 positions I feel good about the other 3 not so much.    

 

 

Ya know, Soda, every time I want to feel good about Vlad I remember back to the video that I have seen where he just gets blown up.  

 

I would love better than him, but yes if he can barely compete or just plain hold his own I would be fine with that.

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Just now, dollars 2 donuts said:

 

 

Ya know, Soda, every time I want to feel good about Vlad I remember back to the video that I have seen where he just gets blown up.  

 

I would love better than him, but yes if he can barely compete or just plain hold his own I would be fine with that.

Two positions that next year's 80 million in cap space in addition to all our draft picks should remedy.   This overhaul wasn't going to be complete in 1 year.   We still need WRs/OL/LB help and I imagine we'll need TE and DE and probably RB too.  

 

The roster is never finished, but we're getting closer. 

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The offensive line being a weakness may actually work in the bills favor for the first week or 2

With a new offense being installed other teams won't know what to game plan for so they will attack the glaring weakness. This should give the bills an advantage in knowing what the opposing defense is going to do and that defense wont have a clue as to how the bills will play

 

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Just now, Cheektowaga Chad said:

The offensive line being a weakness may actually work in the bills favor for the first week or 2

With a new offense being installed other teams won't know what to game plan for so they will attack the glaring weakness. This should give the bills an advantage in knowing what the opposing defense is going to do and that defense wont have a clue as to how the bills will play

 

Still hoping for a training camp cut or salary cap casualty to be added in August.  

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1 minute ago, Soda Popinski said:

Two positions that next year's 80 million in cap space in addition to all our draft picks should remedy.   This overhaul wasn't going to be complete in 1 year.   We still need WRs/OL/LB help and I imagine we'll need TE and DE and probably RB too.  

 

The roster is never finished, but we're getting closer. 

 

 

I disagree with absolutely nothing you said!

 

I know we are looking at choppy waters in our near future, but man, the way this team is being built and then watching them fill some of the holes this year and having a number of options next year makes me feel more optimistic than any other time in the last 18 years. 

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Just now, dollars 2 donuts said:

 

 

I disagree with absolutely nothing you said!

 

I know we are looking at choppy waters in our near future, but man, the way this team is being built and then watching them fill some of the holes this year and having a number of options next year makes me feel more optimistic than any other time in the last 18 years. 

That's one reason even if Allen doesn't pan out I want Beane and McD running the ship for the foreseeable future.  The team is being built for long term success we're not sitting around waiting for a QB to develop.    We're not swinging for the fences looking for elite level WRs or DEs who sell tickets and jerseys.    You can tell every position has a dollar amount assigned to it based on overall value to winning and they will stick to it.   That's the only way to build a team.  

 

And our secondary is flat out sick.   

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2 minutes ago, Soda Popinski said:

That's one reason even if Allen doesn't pan out I want Beane and McD running the ship for the foreseeable future.  The team is being built for long term success we're not sitting around waiting for a QB to develop.    We're not swinging for the fences looking for elite level WRs or DEs who sell tickets and jerseys.    You can tell every position has a dollar amount assigned to it based on overall value to winning and they will stick to it.   That's the only way to build a team.  

 

And our secondary is flat out sick.   

 

 

On top of every thing that you said, Soda, this is all happening in the years that Tom Brady is turning 41 and 42...I'll take that!

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Just now, dollars 2 donuts said:

 

 

On top of every thing that you said, Soda, this is all happening in the years that Tom Brady is turning 41 and 42...I'll take that!

I want Kyle to sack him just a few more times to end his career.    Not career ending injuries, I just want some of his last memories of football to be of him looking up at Kyle, who T bags him as he stands up.

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17 hours ago, Logic said:


I also will be at the Houston game. Not sure how to feel about the prospect of Clowney/Watt vs our offensive line. On the other hand, I like the chances of our defense stopping Watson's offense.

 

Don't forget Mercilus.

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Im hopeful it does.....it remains to be seen but dabol IMO is an improvement over Dennison so could be......as bad as our Oline was last season i believe in the last 4-5 games they showed significant improvement!  So there's hope here....some of the repeat offenders have yet another year under belt so lets see....

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I think they should be fine. Dawkis is solid at LT I think Miller steps it back up and I actually think Teller takes the other G position. Groy at Center and hopefully anyone but Mills at RT. I honestly think we will be just fine

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18 hours ago, FappyTheClown said:

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Packers fan I see. Nice. 

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17 hours ago, Kelly the Dog said:

Like sports fans in most cities in all major sports, if they know anything at all about that sport, they are probably wrong. ;)

And then they give them a radio show!

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1 hour ago, Soda Popinski said:

Still hoping for a training camp cut or salary cap casualty to be added in August.  

 

So do I.  A veteran depth swing tackle would be nice.  I'm hoping like the rest that 1 or 2 of the young guys prove to be capable but................

If Miller and/or Groy are looking good I would like to see at least 1 get a contract before next FA season.

Bill's veteran OL under contract for next year are:

 

Dawkins

Bodine

Vlad

 

that's it.

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Just now, ColoradoBills said:

 

So do I.  A veteran depth swing tackle would be nice.  I'm hoping like the rest that 1 or 2 of the young guys prove to be capable but................

If Miller and/or Groy are looking good I would like to see at least 1 get a contract before next FA season.

Bill's veteran OL under contract for next year are:

 

Dawkins

Bodine

Vlad

 

that's it.

Eesh.   We gave Vlad a multiple year deal?   Good lord why? 

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8 minutes ago, Soda Popinski said:

Eesh.   We gave Vlad a multiple year deal?   Good lord why? 

 

Castillo knew him for years in Baltimore.  Vlad signed a relatively cheap 3 year deal with the Bill's.

Both Vlad and Bodine's contracts run out next year.

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