MakeBuffaloGreatAgain Posted May 19, 2018 Share Posted May 19, 2018 3 minutes ago, ExiledInIllinois said: Sorry... Off Topic, won't reply anymore to side bar. Sorry for rocking your world. Will keep it tidy. You're the one who is going on feelings: "The exact number of DGUs is not precisely known. There are reasons to think the actual number may be higher or lower than the figures cited. For example, some respondents to surveys may consciously or unconsciously exaggerate the degree of peril they were in, which could lead to an overestimate of DGUs." Didn’t read the full article I see Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted May 19, 2018 Share Posted May 19, 2018 (edited) 7 minutes ago, MakeBuffaloGreatAgain said: Didn’t read the full article I see I did. Keep running on emotion: "It’s relatively easy to measure the number of lives lost due to criminal gun violence. It’s harder to measure the number of lives saved by legal defensive gun use. Murders that didn’t happen don’t show up on crime statistics." Keep pulling numbers out of your arse on murders/crimes that DID NOT happen and pretend it was the gun that helped. Next up, you probably have: "Death penalty deters crime." Stop living off emotion. Edited May 19, 2018 by ExiledInIllinois Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadingpain Posted May 19, 2018 Share Posted May 19, 2018 More American students killed from mass school shootings so far this calendar year than American soldiers in both Iraq and Afghanistan combined! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted May 19, 2018 Share Posted May 19, 2018 6 minutes ago, MakeBuffaloGreatAgain said: Didn’t read the full article I see Apparently research that was being used for that article was more a call for more research as the actual number of defensive uses is not certain. Also it doesn't really tackle the point as gun control is not no guns more hopefully the criminal won't also have a gun in that situation. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/01/16/the-study-that-gun-rights-activists-keep-citing-but-completely-misunderstand/?utm_term=.edb7d48a196d 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Passepartout Posted May 19, 2018 Share Posted May 19, 2018 They will not seek the death penalty for him due to his being a minor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulus Posted May 19, 2018 Share Posted May 19, 2018 The solution to how to stop it, lies in why it happens. Something both liberals and conservatives are hypocritical about, depending on the subject matter. Illegal aliens, abortion, et al. I really am becoming too much of a misanthrope as I age, and for that at some point, is not my fault. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted May 19, 2018 Share Posted May 19, 2018 12 minutes ago, Passepartout said: They will not seek the death penalty for him due to his being a minor. This was in Texas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted May 19, 2018 Share Posted May 19, 2018 17 minutes ago, Warcodered said: Apparently research that was being used for that article was more a call for more research as the actual number of defensive uses is not certain. Also it doesn't really tackle the point as gun control is not no guns more hopefully the criminal won't also have a gun in that situation. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/01/16/the-study-that-gun-rights-activists-keep-citing-but-completely-misunderstand/?utm_term=.edb7d48a196d And the #s from accidental shootings, etc... Get lost in the confusion to, not properly reported. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted May 19, 2018 Share Posted May 19, 2018 Here is an interesting read on where mass shootings occur: https://www.citylab.com/life/2018/03/where-do-mass-shootings-take-place/554555/ "Mass shootings happen less often in both very poor ($30,000 to $40,000) and very rich ($131,000 or more) communities—together, these income brackets account for just under 10 percent of mass shootings. The communities that have witnessed these tragedies are more or less on par with the national average for poverty, too. The poverty rate was 10 percent in the communities where mass shootings have occurred, compared to 11 percent for the nation as a whole." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted May 19, 2018 Share Posted May 19, 2018 15 minutes ago, ExiledInIllinois said: Here is an interesting read on where mass shootings occur: https://www.citylab.com/life/2018/03/where-do-mass-shootings-take-place/554555/ "Mass shootings happen less often in both very poor ($30,000 to $40,000) and very rich ($131,000 or more) communities—together, these income brackets account for just under 10 percent of mass shootings. The communities that have witnessed these tragedies are more or less on par with the national average for poverty, too. The poverty rate was 10 percent in the communities where mass shootings have occurred, compared to 11 percent for the nation as a whole." So to avoid mass shootings I just need to be really rich or really poor....well I can definitely do one of those things. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted May 19, 2018 Share Posted May 19, 2018 1 minute ago, Warcodered said: So to avoid mass shootings I just need to be really rich or really poor....well I can definitely do one of those things. But, you'll get popped walking to school. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted May 19, 2018 Share Posted May 19, 2018 2 hours ago, MakeBuffaloGreatAgain said: There actually isn’t. The end game is total gun control. This is an actual conversation. How many school shooters used extended clips and bump stocks? How many school shootings would have been prevented by proposed gun legislation? And vice versa, how many lives have been saved by citizens using personal firearms? Now that I think about it, that kid that shot up the school a couple months ago wasn’t disqualified to purchase a gun because Obama made a law that discouraged schools from reporting violent crimes because its racist. Good call. I always thought that was a ridiculous assertion, but seeing how the left reacted to this shooting is starting to make me think maybe the 2nd amendment gun advocates on the right are correct to think that. I disagree on your second point as the Promise program you're referring too did not involve any federal departments or agencies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted May 19, 2018 Share Posted May 19, 2018 15 hours ago, RaoulDuke79 said: This is part of the problem. when the kids were required to wear clear backpacks at Parkland after the shooting they were all up in arms about how their privacy is being violated but you simply can't have it both ways More freedom is better than less 100% of the time. Anyone who tells you otherwise is a Democrat. 5 hours ago, Fadingpain said: More American students killed from mass school shootings so far this calendar year than American soldiers in both Iraq and Afghanistan combined! So, thousands? Dude, do you want ANYONE to take you seriously? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nervous Guy Posted May 19, 2018 Share Posted May 19, 2018 1 hour ago, joesixpack said: So, thousands? I believe he meant this calendar year only. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuvian Posted May 19, 2018 Share Posted May 19, 2018 Leader of the free world can't protect their own children Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted May 19, 2018 Share Posted May 19, 2018 7 hours ago, ExiledInIllinois said: It's really one player that is anchoring the team right now... And he's won the last two Cups. Teams should have been allowed to offer up their scrubs. Not good prospects. Why give the better pieces to the expansion draft your competitor? Build from scratch. Like past expansions.[/]b A large number of the players that Vegas selected were players that the dispatching teams were willing to let go. Prior to the draft teams were negotiating with Vegas over what player they would offer if a particular exposed player was not selected. Vegas's GM did a masterful job of taking the right players with these side deals. The goalie now anchoring Vegas was a player that the Penquins wanted to let go. He was a heavy cost player with an emerging young and cheaper goalie ready to take the reigns in Pittsburgh. The Penquins felt that Vegas was doing them a favor by taking him and opening up cap space and allowing their young goalie who they felt was ready to be their primary goalie. Contrast how the GM for the Knights handled his job compared to how the former GM of the Sabres did his job. Murray made a lot of loud deals that didn't come close to meeting its expectation. In addition, he drained the farm and now our new GM is in the process of replenishing it again. I don't understand why you would advocate for expansion teams to go through the multi-year struggles of being uncompetitive and unwatchable. That certainly doesn't serve building up the new market and it doesn't serve the opposing markets that have to be subjected to unentertaining garbage hockey. The Vegas model is a success. It should be copied when another expansion team is brought into the league. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted May 19, 2018 Share Posted May 19, 2018 (edited) 41 minutes ago, Nervous Guy said: I believe he meant this calendar year only. Well, apparently reading is hard for me. Also, as an aside, what percentage of children died by mass shootings nationwide? It’s statistically insignificant compared to the number of children killed in car wrecks or in abortion clinics. But hey, if it bleeds it leads, am I right? Edited May 19, 2018 by joesixpack 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted May 19, 2018 Share Posted May 19, 2018 7 hours ago, Fadingpain said: More American students killed from mass school shootings so far this calendar year than American soldiers in both Iraq and Afghanistan combined! That is a crazy way to hear it......I mean....wow. I’m not doubting, but it just doesn’t sound possible, you know? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted May 19, 2018 Share Posted May 19, 2018 21 hours ago, Boyst62 said: What do I write them is not good enough? He was already break the law, several laws... Look, take a deep breath. Make a hashtag. It'll be ok. Sure it will help. #burnconfederateflag Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted May 19, 2018 Share Posted May 19, 2018 17 hours ago, TheElectricCompany said: I don't care what statistics you want to roll out. Mass shootings are on the rise and we've got to figure out a way to stop that trend. Mass shootings are in rise because these shooters want their day in spotlight and there are more and more spotlights on such things. Best thing which could happen is one of these shooters are shot by multiple cops but shooter survives with severe damage becoming a paraplegic hooked up to machines for rest of shorten life. Make sure this shooter's life are well known so the thought of become someone in such a state gives some of these shooters pause. Maybe they will try to change life or just commit suicide quietly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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