BuffaloMatt Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 Easier read http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2761942-wyoming-oc-brent-vigen-qa-is-josh-allen-the-next-carson-wentz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mileena Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 Sounds like this Warren Sharp is not that sharp. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 10 minutes ago, Thurmal34 said: So the seventh pick in the draft is someone that needs to be “fixed”? Awesome! The first pick in the draft may need to learn how to play under center. Look at it this way... band aid is ripped off and the chips are in the center of the table. It’s either going to be one of the best, or one of the worst pick in franchise history. And we will know in less than 24 months Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dakrider Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 Wyoming had run the ball successfully the previous 2 years and coach Bohl's philosophy is to run the ball. Even though they weren't successful they still attempted to run the ball. What actually resulted is Allen was often left with a lot of 3rd down and longs. In the NFL, QB's completion percentages for 3rd and long is in the 30's% completion. As we all know its much more difficult to beat a defense on 3rd down and long than almost any other down. The offensive line and receivers Wyoming had this year also limited what plays they could run. Offensively, Allen was the only weapon they had and teams played him accordingly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call_Of_Ktulu Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 After watching film I'm 100% sure none of his O-Line or WR/TE will be playing in the NFL. That O-Line is just putrid. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acantha Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 At this point, I think dissecting the stats is just pointless. There isn't a stat you can pull up on this guy that points to success. If he works out it will be because of his raw skills and the Bills' ability to bring out the best in him. The pick is made, he's on the team. Nothing to do now but wait and hope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
folz Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 (edited) If the ONE statistic that he used were a true judge of how good a college QB will be (based on the trust of their college coaching staff), then the draft should have played out in this order: Mayfield Jackson Rudolph Darnold Rosen Allen So, is he also saying that Jackson and Rudolph are superior to Darnold or Rosen and should have been the higher picks? If not, then you can't really use that stat to knock another kid. What if certain OCs are just more conservative than others by nature? Edited April 27, 2018 by folz 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elite Poster Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 59 minutes ago, Mikey152 said: He makes a pretty big assumption that it was because of Allen...and not their offensive line, receivers, etc. All this shows is that maybe they didn't trust their passing game...not their quarterback. Not to mention the fact that he played in the Mountain West...aka not the south. There's this little thing called weather. He was the least pressured QB out of all drafted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorquemada Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 3 minutes ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said: After watching film I'm 100% sure none of his O-Line or WR/TE will be playing in the NFL. That O-Line is just putrid. yup he's on the run every single play and has to make something from the broken play offense. riding the pine for a year, working on his mechanics, and hopefully the Bills improve their passblocking a bit 1 minute ago, Elite Poster said: He was the least pressured QB out of all drafted. based on??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elite Poster Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 1 minute ago, folz said: If the ONE statistic that he used were a true judge of how good a college QB will be (based on the trust of their college coaching staff), then the draft should have played out in this order: Mayfield Jackson Rudolph Darnold Rosen Allen So, is he also saying that Jackson is superior to Darnold or Rosen and should have been the higher pick? You are taking one piece out of the 100 piece puzzle that says Allen will be bad and trying to make a point. Big picture. 1 minute ago, dorquemada said: yup he's on the run every single play and has to make something from the broken play offense. riding the pine for a year, working on his mechanics, and hopefully the Bills improve their passblocking a bit based on??? Stats! His pressure percentage was the lowest out of the top 6. I'll try to find the table. He was also the least accurate under pressure. We got a good one! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drunken Pygmy Goat Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 57 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: No he didn’t blow it. He took a career risk with a boom bust guy. They will either fix the guy and Allen will be John Elway 2.0, or McBeane will be unemployed along with Allen. There is nothing in between. Yep. Go big or go home. Clearly the staff thought enough of the guy to take him over Rosen. They are far more informed than us, or some on Twitter that came out of nowhere. I'll wait until he stinks in the pros before crucifying him and the staff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call_Of_Ktulu Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 When I watch him I feel like he can command and move a offense. Allen needs to work on a few things like all the rookies do, I think with good coaching and a offense that fits the things that he does well that he will succeed. I think if he was the Eagles starting QB that he would be very successful in his rookie year. Beanies main job will be protecting Allen and getting him offensive weapons. His WR's get zero separation, it looks like they run a lot of curls and comeback routs. I'm sure that's by design because of his amazing arm strength. When a guy gets open on the comeback he fires a laser in there that looks to be undefensible. I think if you put him on the Cougars for three years that we would have no chance to draft him at 7. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjmac Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 2 hours ago, jrober38 said: Allen had the lowest drop rate of all the QBs in the draft. His adjusted completion percentage (takes away drops and throw aways) was far and away the worst of all the top QBs in the draft. And how many other Wyoming players are expected to be drafted? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call_Of_Ktulu Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 15 minutes ago, jjmac said: And how many other Wyoming players are expected to be drafted? I'm guessing none, maybe one O-Lineman in the 6th rd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Domdab99 Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 I remember these tweets when I posted them in my thread last week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, jjmac said: And how many other Wyoming players are expected to be drafted? Probably about as many as will be picked from "powerhouses" like Hawaii (47% passes complete, #113 in total D), New Mexico (57%, #67 in total D), Colorado State (50%, #88 in total D), or Central Michigan (58%, #55 in total D). He played bad competition with bad players. The good teams he played weren't elite defensive powers either. 57% against Iowa (#35 in total D). 37% against Oregon (#42 in total D). 44% against Boise St (#45 in total D). Edited April 27, 2018 by jrober38 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjmac Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 On 4/27/2018 at 3:55 PM, jrober38 said: Probably about as many as will be picked from "powerhouses" like Hawaii (47% passes complete, #113 in total D), New Mexico (57%, #67 in total D), Colorado State (50%, #88 in total D), or Central Michigan (58%, #55 in total D). He played bad competition with bad players. The good teams he played weren't elite defensive powers either. 57% against Iowa (#35 in total D). 37% against Oregon (#42 in total D). 44% against Boise St (#45 in total D). My point is that he played with subpar talent around him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 I like the psychological “breakdown” concept by Sharpe; it’s new, so kudos to him for finding a new way to be heard above the other pundits. Speaking of which, when Sharpe or any of these other “analysts” break down EVERY snap a QB prospect has taken in his career while also noting the game situation for EACH one and then discussing several with both the prospect AND his coaches, then I’ll beleive they are on to something half as important. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 (edited) What this guy doesn’t realize is every time Allen dropped back to pass he was getting mauled you can’t air it out all day if you can’t protect the QB Heck, he says coaches will give you confirmation. All His coaches have said that Josh is the savior of the program... and that he IS the offense He throws, he runs, he buys times.... Bohl believes he is the best That was a bad opinion because you can’t throw 40 times a game when you can’t protect your QB His coaches even say when there is 1 drive left they will take Allen over any QB... that spits in the face of his argument On 4/27/2018 at 11:48 AM, jrober38 said: Allen had the lowest drop rate of all the QBs in the draft. His adjusted completion percentage (takes away drops and throw aways) was far and away the worst of all the top QBs in the draft. Thats really not true though bud, Though it is by some sites. It’s not an exact stat in CFB The stat trackers have him at under 10 drops iirc but I watched every throw from the top 6 and I counted at least 2-3 drops a game Over the 11 game season Edited May 1, 2018 by Buffalo716 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mojo44 Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 On 4/27/2018 at 11:56 AM, Fan in Chicago said: Red flags existed on each of the top 5 QBs. There was no clear consensus that any of them is a cant-miss prospect. This!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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