RD1, Pick 7: Josh Allen QB - Wyoming

[USABuffaloFan]

2 minutes ago, TheBrownBear said:

CBS gives us grades of A+, B+ and A+ so far and says we are killing it. 

 

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/draft-tracker/

He gave a B for Terrell Edmunds who was rated 18 best safety, that tells you something. 

[The Now Moment]

3 minutes ago, USABuffaloFan said:

keywords:  "potential"  "predicted" "3 - 1st round picks"

 

The charts say we overpaid, should have been 12 , 53 and 121.

McCarron has potential and a 2-1 NFL record, I will take that 1st.

McCarron has a 36-4 NCAA record and 2 Championships and much better stats.

Number 7 pick was never worth 3- 1st round picks.

Who said 7 was worth three 1st rounders.  I said that we could have paid way more for a QB if they didn't wait.  They saved 22 by holding out when many fans wanted us to trade the house for 2 or 4.  Trading from outside the top ten to inside the top ten to take a potential franchise QB while teams like the Cardinals and the Dolphins were in the vicinity...I'm not surprised we had to overpay.  

[John from Riverside]

36 minutes ago, Rebel101 said:

I understand that but it is still my opinion to say they should have waited n that he wasnt worth it i know i wasnt there i know thats who they wanted n in my opinion it was a mistake i dont think you are getting it i never said they would ever do that we are just men talking n thats my opinion yours is they did what they had to do and you understand mine is i dont like it...do you get it?

I get that you don’t know what your talking about 

by the way men don’t really need to tell other men they are just talking it’s ok to admit your 12 I won’t hold it against you

Edited April 28, 2018 by John from Riverside

[The Firebaugh Kid]

4 hours ago, Rebel101 said:

We gave away an opportunity to build a deep solid roster and to give away so much for a QB who I believe was the 7th or 8th rated QB in this draft was a huge mistake. The trade up for Edmunds would have been a great move if we didnt already give away both 2nds for Allen. I would have preferred us to stay put and still would have probably been able to get Allen but I'd rather have had Rosen. Hands down the best passer in this draft. But i would have wanted us to use all the picks to build a savage squad and gave away the farm next year for a QB and gave mccarron a chance to prove himself n just to build a team that was a QB away from greatness. I hope Allen develops into a Super Bowl QB but if he doesnt this draft will go down as a huge franchise failure and will set us back for years compared to what we could have done with the arsenal of picks we had

You are very wrong. Just.....stop.....

[USABuffaloFan]

3 minutes ago, Buffalo30 said:

Who said 7 was worth three 1st rounders.  I said that we could have paid way more for a QB if they didn't wait.  They saved 22 by holding out when many fans wanted us to trade the house for 2 or 4.  Trading from outside the top ten to inside the top ten to take a potential franchise QB while teams like the Cardinals and the Dolphins were in the vicinity...I'm not surprised we had to overpay.  

Overpaid for getting a potential franchise QB and yet we kept our 2nd first round pick?  Some predicted we would have to give up three first round picks.  What do you think about that?  

[Victory Formation]

Btw, those tweets from when he was a teen, does anybody think he was serious? It came off to me that he was being a little smartass and didn't mean it in a vicious way. Typical 14-15 year old talk.

[1ManRaid]

55 minutes ago, Rebel101 said:

 

So why do you love Josh Allen? Some one please convince me

Kind of hard when you clearly came here with your mind made already, just looking to pick fights.

[Big C]

17 minutes ago, NewDayBills said:

Btw, those tweets from when he was a teen, does anybody think he was serious? It came off to me that he was being a little smartass and didn't mean it in a vicious way. Typical 14-15 year old talk.

 

Also probably a Modern Family quote. 

 

Teens are dumb. I hope no one is taking it seriously. 

[Manther]

1 hour ago, Rebel101 said:

So tell me why it was a great pick at 7 for Josh Allen...give me 1 stat 1 piece of info that shows me he is worth it

You are correct, he  has no stats or pieces of info at all that shows he is worth it.  Please, be reasonable.

[Victory Formation]

3 minutes ago, Big C said:

 

Also probably a Modern Family quote. 

 

Teens are dumb. I hope no one is taking it seriously. 

Hopefully our black players are cool with it, I'm pretty sure Josh realizes that without our black players we would be 0-16. 

[Dr.Sack]

2 hours ago, Buffalo716 said:

He did have over 20 drops on the season.

 

Add 11 completions , 1 over every game for drops and his % rises to 60%

 

Add 15 over 11 games or 1.3 completions per game to compensate for drops and his completion % rises to a respectable 61.8%

 

his team dropped more than that too

Subtract 20 amazing catches & he’s a sub .500 passer. ?

[LaradiseCowboy]

Already REALLY liking this forum!! One thing you all will become very familiar with soon is the Josh Allen Hype Train. ? Nobody knows where it’s coming from, no one knows its destination, but it’s VERY prominent nonetheless. Maybe he has a really good agency pulling strings, or maybe Mel Kiper Jr. has an invested interest in Josh Allen. ? Either way it will be publicity for the Bills.

 

When does camp start and what’s the QB competition look like now?

[transplantbillsfan]

 

Interesting comments here by Allen's college coach, who also recruited and coached Carson Wentz 

[Dr.Sack]

1 minute ago, LaradiseCowboy said:

Already REALLY liking this forum!! One thing you all will become very familiar with soon is the Josh Allen Hype Train. ? Nobody knows where it’s coming from, no one knows its destination, but it’s VERY prominent nonetheless. Maybe he has a really good agency pulling strings, or maybe Mel Kiper Jr. has an invested interest in Josh Allen. ? Either way it will be publicity for the Bills.

 

When does camp start and what’s the QB competition look like now?

I’m with Steve Tasker should have taken Josh  Rosen. 

[LaradiseCowboy]

1 minute ago, Dr.Sack said:

I’m with Steve Tasker should have taken Josh  Rosen. 

 

Josh Rosen is an Arizona Cardinal, I meant the QB competition for the Bills. Who wins the the top spot come regular season? Is Josh in consideration?

[transplantbillsfan]

22 hours ago, LEBills said:

I love the fanhood TBF, time to get onboard with all of Allen’s positives!

 

Let’s start with who Josh is as a person:

1. Josh grew up in tiny, 5A Firebaugh, CA. The son of a farmer, he spent as much time as he could playing football, basketball and baseball, and when he wasn’t busy, he helped his father in the farm. Playing all those sports, Josh immediately was a leader of his peers.

 

2. He spent his formative years rooting for Fresno State and the Carr family. He did everything he could to finagle ways to speak with the Fresno coaching staff who eventually told him that they had there 6foot QB of the future and that he could walk on as a TE.

 

3. Josh believed he was a QB and decided to go the JUCO route to get more tape. With that he sent that tape over 1000 times. And only got two interested schools. Wyoming was the only one to offer him a scholarship.

 

4. While at Wyoming, he was a complimentary piece in 2016 on a team full of seniors - 4 of which would be drafted. In 2017, he became the unquestioned leader of the team with an inexperienced center, a running back converted in the offseason from linebacker and non-productive freshman and sophomore receivers. Josh was given the responsibility to lead, to call protections, and make decisions for his team. More responsibility was placed on him than any other QB in this draft as far as expectations and carrying other, less talented players goes. And you could often see him fired up on the sideline, getting into people’s faces with excitement. His teammates followed him because of his passion.

 

5. Once Josh declared, he worked hard during the offseason to improve himself. Similar to what Cam Newton did in the lead up to 2011, Allen took every opportunity possible - senior bowl, combine, pro day, etc - to diaplay the work he was doing biomechanically. The high point of his predraft season came during the combine where he was able to display improved footwork and showed how he can mesh that with his intense arm strength. Reports out of the week described him as the alpha QB of the group (https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/nfl-combine-2018-josh-allen-shows-why-hes-worthy-of-being-the-no-1-overall-pick/amp/).

 

 

Football reasons to be excited:

1. His completion percentage is what it is. He needs to improve it regardless of the offense or talent around him. If you watch his games, he does occasionally spray the ball. But what I have seen is that he was the victim of some drops, of many situations where the throws he was trying to make weren’t there because his teammates got run toward the sideline or didn’t get separation, and many other times where pressure forced him to roll out and get rid of the ball or make bad throws.

 

2. Allen was the most frequently pressured of the major QBs. His numbers when being pressured were not good and a lot of that was because he had inexperienced receivers that did not give him much help when the play broke down. You will also see people like Dan Orlovsky blame Allen for not making the right protections and reads based on the pressure. Some of that is on Allen, but Wyoming staffers are quick to point out that there were times that Allen set the right protection and then an inexperienced lineman missed a block leaving free runners at Allen. It’s important to keep in mind that when we watch our YouTube games that we don’t know everything the coaches know.

 

3. His arm and athleticism. At Wyoming, Josh was there offense. His arm was their weapon. He stretched the field and opposing defenses vertically and horizontally unlike any other prospect this year. Their were many times where Allen was forced to take the play over himself with designed keepers, bootlegs, escaping pressure, dragging defenders that were trying to tackle him before unleashing his throw. 

 

How successful was he?:

1. Wyoming won 8 games in back to back seasons for the first time in 30 years. The same team the two years before he took over won 6 games.

 

2. This season, when Allen hurt his shoulder, Wyoming went 0-2 including a loss to the worst program in Division 1 this year, San Jose St. But Allen battled back from his injury to lead his game to a win in his bowl game and left the program on a win.

 

What now?:

1. This offseason was the first time in his life he had real, dedicated coaching around his footwork. Remember that Carson Wentz, who starred under Josh’s college coach, also entered the league with footwork problems. Like Carson, Josh will need to continue working on his feet and may not totally overcome inconsistencies for a year or two. But with how raw Allen is, that gives great hope that he will improve quickly like he appears to have already done.

 

2. Ideally, we let Allen sit a year and develop. Most likely he will take the Cam Newton (again who had a similar pre-draft process with a lot of concerns of how he threw the ball and the 1 read offense he was in) or Carson Wentz approach and start earlier and be better (though not perfect!) than we expected.  

 

Of all the QB prospects, Allen is my favorite person. And I think the type of person he is will allow him to harness his physical abilities to be the best QB of this draft. I’m very excited, and I hope this makes everyone else- including you- a little more pumped for our QB of the future.

 

Okay, I'm sorry but I didn't have time to read this til now... I've been absorbing as many interviews and highlights and breakdowns as I could in the last 24 hours.

 

So this is a fantastic breakdown and explanation. Love it. One question regarding the bold:

 

I read he wasn't recruited in HS at all at least as a Junior in HS because he was "small." I heard and found 180 lbs. Where did you hear/find he was only 6 ft at that time?

 

Is this kid really just an extremely late bloomer?

[Fadingpain]

23 hours ago, LEBills said:

I love the fanhood TBF, time to get onboard with all of Allen’s positives!

 

Let’s start with who Josh is as a person:

1. Josh grew up in tiny, 5A Firebaugh, CA. The son of a farmer, he spent as much time as he could playing football, basketball and baseball, and when he wasn’t busy, he helped his father in the farm. Playing all those sports, Josh immediately was a leader of his peers.

 

2. He spent his formative years rooting for Fresno State and the Carr family. He did everything he could to finagle ways to speak with the Fresno coaching staff who eventually told him that they had there 6foot QB of the future and that he could walk on as a TE.

 

3. Josh believed he was a QB and decided to go the JUCO route to get more tape. With that he sent that tape over 1000 times. And only got two interested schools. Wyoming was the only one to offer him a scholarship.

 

4. While at Wyoming, he was a complimentary piece in 2016 on a team full of seniors - 4 of which would be drafted. In 2017, he became the unquestioned leader of the team with an inexperienced center, a running back converted in the offseason from linebacker and non-productive freshman and sophomore receivers. Josh was given the responsibility to lead, to call protections, and make decisions for his team. More responsibility was placed on him than any other QB in this draft as far as expectations and carrying other, less talented players goes. And you could often see him fired up on the sideline, getting into people’s faces with excitement. His teammates followed him because of his passion.

 

5. Once Josh declared, he worked hard during the offseason to improve himself. Similar to what Cam Newton did in the lead up to 2011, Allen took every opportunity possible - senior bowl, combine, pro day, etc - to diaplay the work he was doing biomechanically. The high point of his predraft season came during the combine where he was able to display improved footwork and showed how he can mesh that with his intense arm strength. Reports out of the week described him as the alpha QB of the group (https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/nfl-combine-2018-josh-allen-shows-why-hes-worthy-of-being-the-no-1-overall-pick/amp/).

 

 

Football reasons to be excited:

1. His completion percentage is what it is. He needs to improve it regardless of the offense or talent around him. If you watch his games, he does occasionally spray the ball. But what I have seen is that he was the victim of some drops, of many situations where the throws he was trying to make weren’t there because his teammates got run toward the sideline or didn’t get separation, and many other times where pressure forced him to roll out and get rid of the ball or make bad throws.

 

2. Allen was the most frequently pressured of the major QBs. His numbers when being pressured were not good and a lot of that was because he had inexperienced receivers that did not give him much help when the play broke down. You will also see people like Dan Orlovsky blame Allen for not making the right protections and reads based on the pressure. Some of that is on Allen, but Wyoming staffers are quick to point out that there were times that Allen set the right protection and then an inexperienced lineman missed a block leaving free runners at Allen. It’s important to keep in mind that when we watch our YouTube games that we don’t know everything the coaches know.

 

3. His arm and athleticism. At Wyoming, Josh was there offense. His arm was their weapon. He stretched the field and opposing defenses vertically and horizontally unlike any other prospect this year. Their were many times where Allen was forced to take the play over himself with designed keepers, bootlegs, escaping pressure, dragging defenders that were trying to tackle him before unleashing his throw. 

 

How successful was he?:

1. Wyoming won 8 games in back to back seasons for the first time in 30 years. The same team the two years before he took over won 6 games.

 

2. This season, when Allen hurt his shoulder, Wyoming went 0-2 including a loss to the worst program in Division 1 this year, San Jose St. But Allen battled back from his injury to lead his game to a win in his bowl game and left the program on a win.

 

What now?:

1. This offseason was the first time in his life he had real, dedicated coaching around his footwork. Remember that Carson Wentz, who starred under Josh’s college coach, also entered the league with footwork problems. Like Carson, Josh will need to continue working on his feet and may not totally overcome inconsistencies for a year or two. But with how raw Allen is, that gives great hope that he will improve quickly like he appears to have already done.

 

2. Ideally, we let Allen sit a year and develop. Most likely he will take the Cam Newton (again who had a similar pre-draft process with a lot of concerns of how he threw the ball and the 1 read offense he was in) or Carson Wentz approach and start earlier and be better (though not perfect!) than we expected.  

 

Of all the QB prospects, Allen is my favorite person. And I think the type of person he is will allow him to harness his physical abilities to be the best QB of this draft. I’m very excited, and I hope this makes everyone else- including you- a little more pumped for our QB of the future.

Regarding the part about who Josh is a person: when, exactly, did the racism and white supremacist feelings start to develop?  

[Lieutenant Aldo Raine]

On ‎4‎/‎27‎/‎2018 at 12:04 AM, Lfod said:

23 hours ago, Ol Dirty B said:

I'm wrong a lot too... So I do have hope in that.

 

I will say if he turns out to be good, and the tweets in his history, I don't like that. I know he was 15, but I just don't want my team to be associated with that. I think Buffalo is quicker than most cities to over look tha, but I just don't like the fact my QB was dropping N bombs on twitter, don't care his age now or then, he did it. You know you don't use that word. He's an embarrassment to be completely honest. 

 

I learned at 6 not to use that word, so all this he was 14/15. youth stuff is just bs. Everyone knows at that age you can't say that ****. It's embarrassing, but I'm not surprised Beane and McDermott would look the other way. 

 

He that is without sin among you, let him cast the first stone.  I take it you have never said anything needing forgiveness...think long and hard!

[transplantbillsfan]

28 minutes ago, Josh Allen #1 said:

He that is without sin among you, let him cast the first stone.  I take it you have never said anything needing forgiveness...think long and hard!

 

Wow... are you SaviorEdwards?

42 minutes ago, Fadingpain said:

Regarding the part about who Josh is a person: when, exactly, did the racism and white supremacist feelings start to develop?  

 

I don't think that's what it is.

 

Look into the sources, in particular, of what was said.

 

I'll say this... I'm a teacher. When Allen posted those tweets I was in my 7th or 8th year of teaching. IPhones came out in 2007. Social Media exploded. He was a kid. Kids love pop culture and think virtually anything in pop culture is fair game. 

 

I legitimately think the last decade of growing up as a high school student has been the most dangerous decade for teenagers in memory; a time when your brain hasn't fully developed (which doesn't happen til you're 23) and yet, for some reason, parents allow their kids virtual unrestricted access to social media via their smartphones. 

Edited April 28, 2018 by transplantbillsfan

[Prickly Pete]

All day long on LA radio, the talk was about Rosen being passed over.

 

He is not well liked by teammates, coaches, and lots of people around him.

 

It's not a secret, it's not a "rumor", it's a FACT....he rubs lots of people that have worked with him, the wrong way.

How relevant that is, is up to everyone to decide for themselves.