Hapless Bills Fan Posted April 24, 2018 Share Posted April 24, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, Rubes said: Lots of strong opinions out there on the top 6 QBs (Darnold, Rosen, Mayfield, Allen, Jackson, and Rudolph), and I get that. Some people desperately want a certain guy, and cringe at the thought of us drafting others. Some would be ready to throw in the towel if we don't get one of the top 4, and would see this as a complete disaster if we end up with Jackson or Rudolph. Am I the only one who would be excited to have any one of those 6 QBs? Each has intriguing qualities and each has their weaknesses. Sure, a few of them stand out more than the others, but I think the potential ceilings of all of them are quite high. Jackson could be electric to watch (and I'm not in the camp that thinks he would be just another TT), Allen has all the tools, and Rudolph excels in many areas and could end up being an outstanding QB. That's a lot of 'potential', but that's everyone in the draft, right? I just feel like any of those 6 could be a franchise QB, and all of them have features that would make them exciting to watch. Not trying to be a homer, I just don't think any of them strike me the same way that JP or EJ did when they were drafted. I have my opinions, and would be more excited for some than others, but I also recognize that 1) trade ups depend upon willing trade partners 2) I don't have the full data set available to our FO and am not a professional so my opinions should** have less weight. I would actually be OK even if we don't take one of these QB in the 1st round and trade down/up for Mike White or Kyle Lauletta. 2 hours ago, zevo said: I agree with this...just get a guy to develop....there is not one better than the other at this point....my personal favorite big swing would be Jackson... I have to disagree with this. There are clear differences in how these 6 guys perform, AS QB on the field. Then it comes down to teams weighting in "intangibles" like character, leadership, etc. to which fans don't have full access - and here is where I think teams go wrong in getting away from pure analysis of QB as QB and athletes to throw in all kinds of stuff and "persuade" themselves into an "appropriate" choice. **the should is there because in the last 20 years, there a bunch of drafts where Random Bills Fans relying upon media scouting reports could arguably have drafted better than the NFL professionals employed by the Bills. We hope those days are gone. Edited April 24, 2018 by Hapless Bills Fan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeF Posted April 24, 2018 Share Posted April 24, 2018 (edited) I think Beane, McDermott and the Pegulas and possibly Joe Schoen are the only ones who know, but I personally wouldn't be happy with any of the 6. I would have only 3 QBs with a first-round grade on the Bills board and the order is Darnold, Rosen and Allen. I think Mayfield's personality just isn't a good fit. There's a difference between independent thinking (Rosen) and breaking the law/work ethic issues (Mayfield). I think they are staying away from Mayfield. Those comparing Mayfield to Brees are misguided. Too many red flags for me...arrest, not studying for an interview, keeping a list of media members who dissed you. That's crazytown stuff.....not franchise leader. I think the Bills have targeted pick 5 or 6 and if one of the top 3 drops to 5 or 6 there will be a deal. I think they will give up next year's first and 3-32 (96) before they give up 1-22 to move up to 5 or 6. McDermott has told Beane he needs an ILB, WR, C/G and OT to play and Beane will keep capital to get McDermott what he needs. I posted that a friend of mine covered the Senior Bowl and heard good things from players about the impression of the Bills leadership. That has continued through the pre-draft process. There is a positive buzz about Buffalo billieve it or not. Edited April 24, 2018 by JoeF 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted April 24, 2018 Share Posted April 24, 2018 10 minutes ago, JoeF said: I think Beane, McDermott and the Pegulas and possibly Joe Schoen are the only ones who know, but I personally wouldn't be happy with any of the 6. I would have only 3 QBs with a first-round grade on the Bills board and the order is Darnold, Rosen and Allen. I think Mayfield's personality just isn't a good fit. There's a difference between independent thinking (Rosen) and breaking the law/work ethic issues (Mayfield). I think they are staying away from Mayfield. Those comparing Mayfield to Brees are misguided. Too many red flags for me...arrest, not studying for an interview, keeping a list of media members who dissed you. That's crazytown stuff.....not franchise leader. I think the Bills have targeted pick 5 or 6 and if one of the top 3 drops to 5 or 6 there will be a deal. I think they will give up next year's first and 3-32 (96) before they give up 1-22 to move up to 5 or 6. McDermott has told Beane he needs an ILB, WR, C/G and OT to play and Beane will keep capital to get McDermott what he needs. I posted that a friend of mine covered the Senior Bowl and heard good things from players about the impression of the Bills leadership. That has continued through the pre-draft process. There is a positive buzz about Buffalo billieve it or not. I like Mayfield, but you make a plausible argument. I personally prefer Darnold and Allen above the others. I am worried about Rosen's durability. He is the most polished, but I don't think his ceiling is as high as Darnold or Allen. Allen is more of a risk and will take longer to develop. Some wonder if we have the coaches to develop a qb. I don't know, but you've got to hope we do. I think you have to get to 1 or 2 to get Darnold. Allen might fall to 5. I think Rosen the most likely to be available there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted April 24, 2018 Share Posted April 24, 2018 2 hours ago, kdiggz said: you seem easy to please. were you like that when picking who to date/marry? "i'll take any girl that likes me!" Were they one of the top 6 hottest in the room? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted April 24, 2018 Share Posted April 24, 2018 (edited) 40 minutes ago, OldTimer1960 said: I just don't see Rudolph as that bad when I watch him. You may be right, as I am not a professional scout. However, I see a guy who looks like he could be a good starting NFL QB, without top arm strength. Now, at least in my view, a lot of very good NFL QBs don't have rocket launchers. I see Rudolph as having "adequate" arm strength not "weak". I guess we'll find out over the next 2-3 years. I am not a scout either, but I feel he does not have adequate arm strengths. He throws a nice deep ball but he cannot drive the ball into tight windows. I see a guy who threw to a bunch of wide open receivers. I'm sure he is a very nice guy, but again I think his ceiling is Drew Stanton, a guy that can come in and start a few games and be mediocre. Stanton had a bit more potential and athletic upside coming out. Does Rudolph do some nice things? Sure. So do AJ McCarron and Nathan Peterman. Go watch AJ McCarron play and tell me Rudolph has more upside. Go watch Peterman's college film and tell me the same. Those guys were 5th round picks. I think Rudolph lovers are missing the point that Rudolph changes nothing and does not alter the destiny of this franchise. We need a high potential, elite quarterback prospect on this team. That is Darnold, Allen, Rosen and one could argue Jackson. I even understand why people like Mayfield, though I strongly dislike him. He does have upside. Rudolph is a JAG. Nothing special and will not beat out McCarron. He changes nothing and we will be looking for a quarterback again in 2 years. Edited April 24, 2018 by MrEpsYtown 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evanmachlan Posted April 24, 2018 Share Posted April 24, 2018 Regardless of what I think, I hope the Bills FO have one specific guy they covet and have a plan in place to go get him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1billsfan Posted April 24, 2018 Share Posted April 24, 2018 I'm really starting to believe that the Bills are locked in on taking Lamar Jackson because he's the only "top" QB they didn't show much interest in. I also think they may trade up a couple picks from #12 to make sure that either the Dolphins don't take him or the Cardinals don't jump ahead of them for Jackson. This board will no doubt implode, but Jackson is an obvious fit for Beane, McDermott and Daboll. The dude has it all...extreme physical skills, his arm and passing technique needs some work but is nothing that wouldn't prevent him from becoming a very successful franchise QB, he's very likable, and he's very coachable. He's my choice for the Bills franchise QB. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted April 24, 2018 Share Posted April 24, 2018 8 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: Were they one of the top 6 hottest in the room? Where do you hang out that's there's 6 hot chicks? In Buffalo you are lucky if there's 6 without cankles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted April 24, 2018 Share Posted April 24, 2018 Just now, kdiggz said: Where do you hang out that's there's 6 hot chicks? In Buffalo you are lucky if there's 6 without cankles Dude...Im in california. The cleaning ladies that make your bed at the hotel are in the 8 to 10 range 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted April 24, 2018 Share Posted April 24, 2018 2 hours ago, Canadian Bills Fan said: I actually feel the opposite. I think Jackson is a waste of a pick and Rudolph has some upside Allen and Jackson are the two high ceiling/low floor guys in this draft IMO. Allen could be the next Ben Roethlisberger or he could be the next Brady Quinn. Lamar Jackson could be Love Child of Mike Vick and Russ Wilson or he could be the next Vince Young or RGIII. Rudolph is perhaps more the Joe Flacco or Andy Dalton of the draft - never too high, never too low, the capable, competent guy who will do a decent job but you can't count on him to be "clutch" and raise his game when you're down 14 points in the last 5 minutes. He may disappear instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Sack Posted April 24, 2018 Share Posted April 24, 2018 I’ll be happy if we hold & draft Jackson or Rudolph. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koufax Posted April 24, 2018 Share Posted April 24, 2018 There is no chance that there are six good QBs from this draft five years from now. That doesn't mean that the top four are the four best necessarily or that Jackson and Rudolph are doomed. But when the dust settles there will be a bust and a so-so/backup in this group of six. The secret is in evaluating them properly, and developing and utilizing the guy you get. Allen scares me a lot for his accuracy and decision making (jury out), which can never be secondary to the "big hands, all the throws" crap. But he still has a path to stardom. Mayfield (my choice) could be more Manziel than Brees and not overcome his small size and medium arm strength. Darnold could get stuck at "pretty good" by continuing to turn the ball over, but has a very high floor. Rosen could be more Ryan Mallet than Matt Ryan, and with his lack of mobility he will have to have timing, quick release, and decision making all go in his favor. Jackson I think has a very good chance to be better than projected and end up one of the four best, and I think people get confused on his performance in designed runs vs scrambling. He was so good running that he wasn't always a pocket passer, but his pocket passing has a chance to develop, and there are some things I like about rolling dice on his incredible athletic ability more than Allen, but there is definite risk. Rudolph is an interesting wild card. I see more solid backup than playoff game winner in him. I just see the NFL game moving a little too fast for his talents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted April 24, 2018 Share Posted April 24, 2018 2 hours ago, Rubes said: Lots of strong opinions out there on the top 6 QBs (Darnold, Rosen, Mayfield, Allen, Jackson, and Rudolph), and I get that. Some people desperately want a certain guy, and cringe at the thought of us drafting others. Some would be ready to throw in the towel if we don't get one of the top 4, and would see this as a complete disaster if we end up with Jackson or Rudolph. Am I the only one who would be excited to have any one of those 6 QBs? Each has intriguing qualities and each has their weaknesses. Sure, a few of them stand out more than the others, but I think the potential ceilings of all of them are quite high. Jackson could be electric to watch (and I'm not in the camp that thinks he would be just another TT), Allen has all the tools, and Rudolph excels in many areas and could end up being an outstanding QB. That's a lot of 'potential', but that's everyone in the draft, right? I just feel like any of those 6 could be a franchise QB, and all of them have features that would make them exciting to watch. Not trying to be a homer, I just don't think any of them strike me the same way that JP or EJ did when they were drafted. This is kind of where I'm at. Any of these six could be great and any of them could bust, and no one (even NFL scouts) really knows which ones will fall into either category. I like Allen and Rosen more than the other four, and I think Darnold is hugely overrated, but I also recognize that I could be entirely wrong. Lots of smart people disagree about these QB prospects. There is nothing wrong with a team having strong convictions, but they also need to understand that they are fallible. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarlinTheMagician Posted April 24, 2018 Share Posted April 24, 2018 I completely agree with the OP. If our admin likes one of them well enough to make them a high pick I am all in. All the pre-draft stuff is hogwash. Long shots make it, medium shots make it and sure-shots misfire plenty. So all anyone has is an educated guess. I trust McDermott and Bean's educated guess as much as anyone's whether or not their guy works out (if they pick one). Why? Because I believe they will have done all the homework they can which is all any fan can ask. Sometimes the best laid plans are not good enough. For now, if they take a guy (even hot tub boy), I will be all in and keep the faith unless and until proven otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerlyofCtown Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 10 hours ago, MrEpsYtown said: It's not six. It is four. And I would only take three of them. Darnold, Rosen, Allen. Jackson makes some sense with a huge upside. Rudolph is a wasted pick as he is a marginal talent who might be a serviceable back up. Jackson's 13 on the Wonderlic was impressive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hebert19 Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 Yes. Without trading up I take best available. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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