Formerly Allan in MD Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 It may not be the worst but it's really bad. If we blow our draft capital on a quarterback instead of using it to fix the OL and other things, we'll deserve what we get when that fine young quarterback, that we gave up the store for, goes down early on or becomes shell shocked should he have to "learn" the game behind that so called line. Grab the likes of Lauletta or White and sensibly develop what we have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 3 hours ago, PetermanThrew5Picks said: You can still give an opinion dummy. Yes we have a horrible O line not to mention horrible WRs. If shady can do his best Barry Sanders impression we'll be decent if we acquire a solid MLB So between WR, QB, LB, and O line and our strong supposition that we dump our draft capital for 1 QB, we probably add 1 late round OL best case scenario and some PS players. Can't see it changing very much. Kelvin Benjamin has superstar potential, I get it he is not fast but he out muscles defenders with his strength and can constantly get open as a possession guy, highly underrated. We need a speedy burner, those guys can be found in the 3rd round and later. Our OL is not as bad as it seems, if we add a guy like Price or Wynn the only weakness on our line is RT and a solid RT can be had in the 4th, so once again I don't see the concern here, we have a lot of picks. See if Rosen or Mayfield drop, if so give up #96 and a 2019 pick and move up, if not stay put and pull the trigger on Mason Rudolph and keep all our picks. The sky is not falling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 16 minutes ago, NewDayBills said: Kelvin Benjamin has superstar potential, I get it he is not fast but he out muscles defenders with his strength and can constantly get open as a possession guy, highly underrated. We need a speedy burner, those guys can be found in the 3rd round and later. Our OL is not as bad as it seems, if we add a guy like Price or Wynn the only weakness on our line is RT and a solid RT can be had in the 4th, so once again I don't see the concern here, we have a lot of picks. See if Rosen or Mayfield drop, if so give up #96 and a 2019 pick and move up, if not stay put and pull the trigger on Mason Rudolph and keep all our picks. The sky is not falling. I agree about the WR corps. It's incredibly shallow, but Benjamin is better (IF healthy) than anything we had last season, and I expect the Naked Ninja (Zay) to be much improved. But the O line ... that's pretty awful. It wasn't good last year, and the idea was to keep Richie and Wood and try to improve a little in the other positions, but now that's shot to hell too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 Sounds like a big guess. Do you know the state of all other 31 offensive lines? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 1 minute ago, MJS said: Sounds like a big guess. Do you know the state of all other 31 offensive lines? Let's just say that tomorrow we find out that 2 veteran/highly-paid starting O linemen on some other team - any other team - go down for the season with torn ACLs. Wouldn't we assume that that team's O line just got a whole lot worse? That's essentially what happened here, and the starting point was "mediocre at best." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 Watch the Bills trade up for Nelson and the whole board crashes within 5 seconds. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 2 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said: Let's just say that tomorrow we find out that 2 veteran/highly-paid starting O linemen on some other team - any other team - go down for the season with torn ACLs. Wouldn't we assume that that team's O line just got a whole lot worse? That's essentially what happened here, and the starting point was "mediocre at best." Absolutely. But that doesn't make them the worst in the league. To do that you have to actually know all of the starting linemen in the league and how they play together. There are probably some people out there that know that, but anyone else is just guessing. So, in response to the OP, no, it is not a rhetorical question. Probably nobody here knows for sure. And it's April. We still have the draft. We still have a long off-season to go. I will agree that our offensive line is not looking good, but I assume Beane and McDermott will be doing what they can to make it better and bring in more competition. Or, we'll have a subpar offensive line for a year until we can continue to address it next off season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 2 minutes ago, MJS said: Absolutely. But that doesn't make them the worst in the league. To do that you have to actually know all of the starting linemen in the league and how they play together. There are probably some people out there that know that, but anyone else is just guessing. So, in response to the OP, no, it is not a rhetorical question. Probably nobody here knows for sure. And it's April. We still have the draft. We still have a long off-season to go. I will agree that our offensive line is not looking good, but I assume Beane and McDermott will be doing what they can to make it better and bring in more competition. Or, we'll have a subpar offensive line for a year until we can continue to address it next off season. OK, makes sense to me. I think we're all agreed that it will be a subpar line in 2018, even if some late fixes (and coaching) make it a little better than it is on paper right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 (edited) 39 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said: OK, makes sense to me. I think we're all agreed that it will be a subpar line in 2018, even if some late fixes (and coaching) make it a little better than it is on paper right now. Yep. Probably. I do think we'll be able to win games, though. We won a a decent amount of games the past few years despite having no passing game to speak of, so difficiencies can be masked. That's what good coaches do. Belechick is a master at covering up his team's difficiencies. Edited April 22, 2018 by MJS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jahnyc Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 The o-line looks bad right now and likely is one of the worst, if not the worst, in the NFL. We will see what the draft brings. One can argue that we need upgrades at four of the five spots on the o-line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 5 hours ago, Ramza86 said: It was a rhetorical question. We do. Im very worried for the safety of whoever is our QB. Ok forget that "a rhetorical question" doesn't require an answer....couldn't you have just done a search and added this gem take to the other "our O-line sucks" threads? Come on... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bing Bong Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 2 hours ago, NewDayBills said: The sky is not falling I'm optimistic, our offense couldn't get much worse. Our defense, mainly secondary set us apart. ANY improvement in offense be it QB, coordinator makes us better than last year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick the Greek Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 There are 32 teams in the league. Some are horrid, like the 0-16 Browns. How anyone can argue their o-line is better than ours is beyond me.. but don’t let that get in the way great post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 A new way of starting a thread about all the holes we have to fill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scorp83 Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 8 hours ago, Paul Costa said: Middle of the road. Cordy was a non factor last year Wood was average. Incognito was above average but turning 35 soon. Groy was as good as Wood two years ago. My hope is Miller can get back to his form from two years ago. It honestly was nothing wrong with Miller...Dennison was a stubborn old man, that wanted to do things his way. I heard he had an issue with Miller cause he's a little undersize... smh. Glad Dennison is gone! But I do think our O-line stinks! Lol... I find it funny we all wanted Mills gone... now we need him. More then ever just for depth ? 7 minutes ago, Buffalo Barbarian said: A new way of starting a thread about all the holes we have to fill. ?????? posts like this sucks the life out of a forum 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadingpain Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 9 hours ago, Ramza86 said: It was a rhetorical question. We do. Im very worried for the safety of whoever is our QB. Our offensive line doesn't even exist yet. At least not in full. Let's see who the guys are before we declare them the worst in the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RFL Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 Ask Shady how valuable the OL is, or TT when he was running for his life. If Ritchie in fact doesnt return, we got problems. Not addressing our weaknesses in this draft would be foolish. Thinking that you can just pick up guys from the cut pile would get you fired if I was the owner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEraBills Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 We will more than likely draft two linemen. The way I see it, even if we draft a QB our key to success in 2018 is not to put games on that rookie or AJ's shoulders. Our key to success in 2018 will still be to run the football a lot. I see us also grabbing an additional HB either in the draft or after cuts. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 9 hours ago, Scorp83 said: It honestly was nothing wrong with Miller...Dennison was a stubborn old man, that wanted to do things his way. I heard he had an issue with Miller cause he's a little undersize... smh. Glad Dennison is gone! But I do think our O-line stinks! Lol... I find it funny we all wanted Mills gone... now we need him. More then ever just for depth ? ?????? posts like this sucks the life out of a forum I think is an accurate analysis of this thread. Is he not saying that we have so many holes to fill ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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