NewEraBills Posted April 9, 2018 Share Posted April 9, 2018 2 minutes ago, CamboBill said: He is a good prospect .... footwork, accuracy etc .... I would love to take a flier on him. but you cannot ignore the red flags either ... I am most bothered by his durability concerns, combined with his inability to "escape" in the pocket . Even if you ignore the supposed character issues (which I do think are overblown) , you cannot ignore that he lacks elite arm strength, is a bit frail, and has a history of injuries (including concussions). Still worth a first round pick? Absolutely. Worth two years worth of top picks? No way. What does elite arm strength even mean? If it is what I think it means then it is overrated to a degree because guys like Brady, Brees, Rivers do not have it. Ok Rogers probably does, but it doesn't appear to be something that is needed to excel at the NFL level. I just wonder what the language means. I know what it attacks, for instance, a guy like Chad Pennington who did not have a lot behind his passes, but even he had his time and some success. What does elite arm strength mean? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CamboBill Posted April 9, 2018 Share Posted April 9, 2018 Just now, BuffAlone said: A "flier" on him? Good grief man, who would you want? If you got someone better deserving of a flier, please let us know so we can follow your logic The point is, I would spend a top 10 pick on him ... but no way would I trade 12,22,2 second rounders and next year's first for a QB with an, average arm, below average athleticism, durability issues, and character concerns (although I do think these are overblown). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gobills1212 Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 4 hours ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said: Giants will want our 22, 12 and our 1st pick next year just to pick up the phone and talk to the Bills. Pick up the phone!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffAlone Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 Just now, CamboBill said: The point is, I would spend a top 10 pick on him ... but no way would I trade 12,22,2 second rounders and next year's first for a QB with an, average arm, below average athleticism, durability issues, and character concerns (although I do think these are overblown). He has an Above Average arm, for sure. Is the greatest cerebral assassin since Peyton, and is smart as a whip. Reads/diagnoses pre snap better than anyone in the last 5 drafts. Is an !@#$. A Boss. And will be the best QB in the game in 5 years. Trade the farm. Screw it, trade the NEIGHBOR'S FARM. He's that good 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gobills1212 Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 1 hour ago, horned dogs said: All in all a brutal post!! Everyone thanks you for doing the dirty work!!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffAlone Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 2 minutes ago, BuffAlone said: He has an Above Average arm, for sure. Is the greatest cerebral assassin since Peyton, and is smart as a whip. Reads/diagnoses pre snap better than anyone in the last 5 drafts. Is an !@#$. A Boss. And will be the best QB in the game in 5 years. Trade the farm. Screw it, trade the NEIGHBOR'S FARM. He's that good Glad I can amuse you as much as you do me lmao! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CamboBill Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 1 minute ago, BuffAlone said: Glad I can amuse you as much as you do me lmao! The Rosen kool-aid must be laced with something tonight lol And to think I like him as a prospect ..... but some of you guys are acting like is the next Brady or Manning or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyC81 Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 4 hours ago, TigerJ said: Yup. If they do trade, I suspect they'll want an arm and a leg in return. In today's NFL QB marketplace, giving up an arm and leg to get an arm is expected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffAlone Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 I assure you sir, its not kool-aid. I've done my homework. I stand by my opinion. Thanks for thinking I'm just a Mayfair fan tho lol? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bing Bong Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 5 hours ago, MJS said: Wow. People have a real inferiority complex when it comes to the Patriots. As we should as is tradition Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffAlone Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 (edited) 48 minutes ago, CamboBill said: The Rosen kool-aid must be laced with something tonight lol And to think I like him as a prospect ..... but some of you guys are acting like is the next Brady or Manning or something. I assure you, sir. I don't do kool-aid. I've done my homework and stand firm in my opinion. I'm not a kool-aid type. He IS the best QB in this draft, bar none. Manning or Brady is by far a closer comparison than what garbage they are spewing from the article you posted. For sure. Edited April 10, 2018 by BuffAlone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BadLandsMeanie Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 1 hour ago, BuffAlone said: Do you know from whom this nonsense came from directly over at NFL.com? I'd like to slap him one good time. Unless he's a her...then I'd just laugh even harder and say, "ok. She's as dumb as a box of rocks" It is refreshing that you are a gentleman. But also consider getting a woman friend to slap her for you. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FeelingOnYouboty Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 Why would the Giants need to put misinfo on their opinion on Rosen? Browns certainly aren’t taking him so if they want him they can have him. It’s pretty clear the Browns and the Giants aren’t too fond of Rosen. Who knows what the Jets want between Allen, Mayfield and Rosen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 (edited) 3 hours ago, PetermanThrew5Picks said: As we should as is tradition Not me. I never feel inferior to cheaters. Edited April 10, 2018 by reddogblitz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerlyofCtown Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 16 hours ago, MJS said: Wow. People have a real inferiority complex when it comes to the Patriots. PTSD-Patriots Traumatic Stress Disorder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CuddyDark Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 9 hours ago, FeelingOnYouboty said: Why would the Giants need to put misinfo on their opinion on Rosen? Browns certainly aren’t taking him so if they want him they can have him. It’s pretty clear the Browns and the Giants aren’t too fond of Rosen. Who knows what the Jets want between Allen, Mayfield and Rosen. For two reasons. 1. They need to say this to their fans so if the Browns take Darnold they can trade down saying our guy is off the board. 2.They might actually like Rosen and spread Darnold and Allen hype so the Browns take them over Rosen. 3. Who knows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CuddyDark Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 15 hours ago, Chuck Wagon said: But they gave away 2 1sts / 2 2nds / 2 3rds. #12 ~ #15 Future 1st ~ Future 1st Then you are down to #22 / #53 / #56 / #65 vs #43 / #45 / #76 / future 3rd Obviously there's more value on our side, but pulling out one of the picks between #53-#65 swings that to be pretty much in line with the Rams trade to #1. That's where I think a deal to #2 will land. If we hold out pick #53, we basically have a full draft this year, #2 / #53 / #96 / #121, picks in each round 1-4 and down 1 future pick. I could see the Giants sending a 4th either this year or next year to smooth things a bit, but I expect something in that ballpark. How about Bills trade 12, 22, 53 & 2019 1st to Browns for #1 overall. Browns trade Giants 4 & 53 for 2. 1. Bills - Darnold 2. Browns - Allen 3. Jets - Mayfield 4. Giants - Nelson, Chubb, Rosen ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Wagon Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 (edited) 22 minutes ago, CuddyDark said: How about Bills trade 12, 22, 53 & 2019 1st to Browns for #1 overall. Browns trade Giants 4 & 53 for 2. 1. Bills - Darnold 2. Browns - Allen 3. Jets - Mayfield 4. Giants - Nelson, Chubb, Rosen ?? I was going to post in the other thread that it makes a lot of sense. There's rumors the Browns are pretty interested in 12 and 22 so they can get one of the premier DBs and a LT in round 1. It certainly seems there's a possibility the Browns are equally ok with Darnold or Allen. Giants guys have speculated for a while the Bills and Giants like the same player (Darnold). If the Browns trade 1, it forces the Giants hand, it's unlikely someone is trading up for Allen at #2 and it seems the Jets are all in on Baker, so basically the Giants watch the Bills trade up for Darnold, then if they don't like one of the other QBs, their clear best play is flipping with the Browns to 4 and taking the top position player while picking up another pick. Browns get the haul for a trade up to 1 and still get a player they are comfortable drafting. I do think there's some credence that both the Giants and Browns are very interested in all the picks we can offer. I think the Giants ideal plan of action is moving to 4-5, picking up a couple extra picks and likely taking the same guy they would at 2. 10 hours ago, FeelingOnYouboty said: Why would the Giants need to put misinfo on their opinion on Rosen? Browns certainly aren’t taking him so if they want him they can have him. It’s pretty clear the Browns and the Giants aren’t too fond of Rosen. Who knows what the Jets want between Allen, Mayfield and Rosen. I think the Jets want Baker. Woody Johnson is tight with Trump. I know someone whose been affiliated with the Jets for a long time, politics is no minor factor with Woody. Rosen isn't the type that's going to push his beliefs aside and I think it's a deal breaker with him and the team. Edited April 10, 2018 by Chuck Wagon 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baskingridgebillsfan Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 I guess the entire draft hinges on weather the browns take Darnold. If they do the number 2 pick goes to the highest bidder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsredneck1 Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 (edited) 18 hours ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said: Giants will want our 22, 12 and our 1st pick next year just to pick up the phone and talk to the Bills. i think if they, (i would), trade12 and next year's 1st to go to no. 4....now. if we lock that 4 spot up not only does it give us one of the top four qbs, (and possibly a choice between 2), but also keeps anyone from having a better chance to get to 2. then come draft night depending on what the browns do and what gettleman wants to do,we could use a 2nd and 3rd to get ahead of the jets. i myself would be ok with taking rudolph or allen at 12....assuming the top 4 are gone, but if they want to take their shot, the above is what i would do. it may be the best strategy because if the top 4 come off in the first 5 picks, we are going to have to deal with az. moving up and miami in front of us forcing us to trade assets anyway. 15 hours ago, CamboBill said: Is Rosen (or Allen) REALLY worth #12, #22, our 2 second rounders AND next year's #1??? no way in hell do i give all that up.....especially for allen. Edited April 10, 2018 by billsredneck1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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