Saban's response to Rosen's comments regarding the demands of college football

[Teddy KGB]

9 hours ago, Gugny said:

Nick Saban is the biggest douchebag in the history of all sports.

 

By far.  

[Sky Diver]

18 minutes ago, Ol Dirty B said:

 

So... now we finally get to the real reason for the thread... Wow that is amazing. I hope we draft the kid even more. You're sensitive over the school you went to? Get over it... Who cares... People who go to a lot of these schools are like !@#$ing loons who join cults. I'm not just singling you out, trust me, I know people who are just as absurd and crazy who went to PSU, MSU, ND, and LSU. 

 

It's a really annoying trait to have though to be honest. 

 

What was his point exactly? That UCLA has a crappy team because of its high academic standards?

 

Stanford has much higher academic standards than UCLA and it has a much better football team.

 

And again, what did Alabama and two players from Clemson had to do with anything? 

 

It seems he couldn’t accept the fact that he played for a bad team and that he couldn’t hack the academics, so he lashed out.

 

Edited April 4, 2018 by Sky Diver

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I would love to have Rosen in my class. And on my team. Some think he's snarky and I get that. But the kid is sharp, and not afraid to ask questions. This kid can throw down on Brady and Kraft in a presser, and follow up by backing it up on the field. He will drive the patriots fans crazy.

 

 

Edited April 4, 2018 by MURPHD6

[Royale with Cheese]

1 hour ago, Sky Diver said:

 

Why would you think engineering at Alabama is easy, lol.

 

Why do you have such a high opinion of UCLA? They had one of the worst records of lowering the bar for athletes. Maybe they have cleaned up their act.

 

http://dailybruin.com/2009/01/06/emucla-should-not-lower-admission-standards-athlet/

 

I don’t think Rosen had a point nor did he have a clue about what he was taking about. That’s the problem. But he’s perceived by some as a genius.

 

Do you agree with AL.com when they said we should be thanking Rosen?

[Ol Dirty B]

1 hour ago, Sky Diver said:

 

What was his point exactly? That UCLA has a crappy team because of its high academic standards?

 

Stanford has much higher academic standards than UCLA and it has a much better football team.

 

And again, what did Alabama and two players from Clemson had to do with anything? 

 

It seems he couldn’t accept the fact that he played for a bad team and that he couldn’t hack the academics, so he lashed out.

 

 

Man, you are taking this way too personally.... You need to get over it. If he went at the U and Clemson would you care at all? What's this about Stanford? Did he say anything negative about them? Like I said, these quotes have nothing to do with how he can perform at the NFL level.... You're bringing up old Rosen and Saban quotes and they have nothing to do with anything. Also, as you said, greatest college coach ever, he was a disaster in the NFL and so bad that he will never test those waters again. Don't care about his opinion on a 1st round talent QB. He's produced, and coached exactly none of those to this point. Maybe Tua can change that

 

Again, I'm not really paying attention to this because this is a Bills board, and I generally agree with his comments. I'm not treating him as a genius, however, guys who get D1 scholarships at power conferences for the most part think they have a chance at going pro and treat the sport more as a career rather than whatever they claim to study. 

Edited April 4, 2018 by Ol Dirty B

[Hapless Bills Fan]

11 hours ago, Sky Diver said:

132 - 20 record at Alabama with 5 national championships. I think he's just a little more credible than Rosen.

 

I'm curious as to why you feel his winning record and national Championships make him more credible.  Rosen is not claiming Alabama doesn't win.

 

I know 'Bama is a fine school - neighbor's son going there for math.  But what majors do the football players pursue?  For the football players who don't go to the NFL, what is their employment rate or acceptance at grad and professional school?  Those would be the appropriate refutations needed.

[Ol Dirty B]

58 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I'm curious as to why you feel his winning record and national Championships make him more credible.  Rosen is not claiming Alabama doesn't win.

 

I know 'Bama is a fine school - neighbor's son going there for math.  But what majors do the football players pursue?  For the football players who don't go to the NFL, what is their employment rate or acceptance at grad and professional school?  Those would be the appropriate refutations needed.

 

Actually, most of what you said has nothing to do with anything as far as the Bills are concerned. Don't give him reason to continue on this meaningless tirade.

 

He wants to talk Alabama, go to an Alabama board. Rosen's comments have nothing to do with how he projects as a pro. It's a pointless discussion, and he isn't bringing it up because he doesn't believe in Rosen. He's bringing it up because he was offended. 

 

I love these people who never played a sport in college, yet let their institution be defined by their sports. It's a joke. Sky Diver is just that, without a parachute. 

2 hours ago, Sky Diver said:

 

What was his point exactly? That UCLA has a crappy team because of its high academic standards?

 

Stanford has much higher academic standards than UCLA and it has a much better football team.

 

And again, what did Alabama and two players from Clemson had to do with anything? 

 

It seems he couldn’t accept the fact that he played for a bad team and that he couldn’t hack the academics, so he lashed out.

 

 

Eh... Those quotes you are getting Rosen on are from before the 2017 season... That was a let down and saw the coach fired. It was when they were optimistic, but whatever, I'm not expecting much from you.

Edited April 4, 2018 by Ol Dirty B

[Bing Bong]

Lol what did saban major in

[Bakin]

Let’s be honest...

 

Playing football while getting your degree is tough. 

 

Playing football while getting your degree AND chasing poon and partying every weekend is much more difficult....

Edited April 4, 2018 by Bakin

[Bing Bong]

41 minutes ago, Bakin said:

Let’s be honest...

 

Playing football while getting your degree is tough. 

 

Playing football while getting your degree AND chasing poon and partying every weekend is much more difficult....

Jonny football made it look easy

[GunnerBill]

Ooo ooo can I play the not giving a rat's arse over anything Saban says game?

 

Respect him as a college coach. Don't respect him as much else. 

[Sky Diver]

7 hours ago, Ol Dirty B said:

 

Actually, most of what you said has nothing to do with anything as far as the Bills are concerned. Don't give him reason to continue on this meaningless tirade.

 

He wants to talk Alabama, go to an Alabama board. Rosen's comments have nothing to do with how he projects as a pro. It's a pointless discussion, and he isn't bringing it up because he doesn't believe in Rosen. He's bringing it up because he was offended. 

 

I love these people who never played a sport in college, yet let their institution be defined by their sports. It's a joke. Sky Diver is just that, without a parachute. 

 

Eh... Those quotes you are getting Rosen on are from before the 2017 season... That was a let down and saw the coach fired. It was when they were optimistic, but whatever, I'm not expecting much from you.

 

From 10 - 3 before Rosen, UCLA went to 8 - 5, 4 - 8, and 6 - 7 with Rosen.

 

In the meantime, McCarron won back to back national championships at Alabama.

 

Winner vs Cry Baby, Whining Loser.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

8 hours ago, PetermanThrew5Picks said:

Jonny football made it look easy

 

Didn’t know Johnny Football got his degree

1 hour ago, Sky Diver said:

 

From 10 - 3 before Rosen, UCLA went to 8 - 5, 4 - 8, and 6 - 7 with Rosen.

 

In the meantime, McCarron won back to back national championships at Alabama.

 

Winner vs Cry Baby, Whining Loser.

 

I’m still waiting to have it explained why Rosen’s point is contradicted by either team’s W-L record.  His implication is that ‘Bama does well because it loosens academic standards for football players and creates programs to keep them eligible.  

 

You could counter that by showing that ‘Bama football players major in the same subjects/take the same classes and have the same GPA distribution as the rest of the student body

 

But crowing about ‘Bama wins could in fact, just reinforce Rosen’s points

 

You aren’t seeming to make a lot of sense, though I am on neuro precautions at the moment so I’m open to having an explanation of why really, you do

[BadLandsMeanie]

2 hours ago, Sky Diver said:

 

From 10 - 3 before Rosen, UCLA went to 8 - 5, 4 - 8, and 6 - 7 with Rosen.

 

In the meantime, McCarron won back to back national championships at Alabama.

 

Winner vs Cry Baby, Whining Loser.

 

18 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Didn’t know Johnny Football got his degree

 

I’m still waiting to have it explained why Rosen’s point is contradicted by either team’s W-L record.  His implication is that ‘Bama does well because it loosens academic standards for football players and creates programs to keep them eligible.  

 

You could counter that by showing that ‘Bama football players major in the same subjects/take the same classes and have the same GPA distribution as the rest of the student body

 

But crowing about ‘Bama wins could in fact, just reinforce Rosen’s points

 

You aren’t seeming to make a lot of sense, though I am on neuro precautions at the moment so I’m open to having an explanation of why really, you do

 From a disinterested party, wait. Not to say that your guys debate isn't interesting, it actually is. Usually these things turn into one person stating facts and the other falls back on calling names.

 

Anyway I should have said neutral party. From a neutral party consider the possibility, as I do, that Rosen was making a wise crack.

 

He very easily could have made his point, and made it better, by speaking in a general way about schools fitting a certain profile. But he  didn't he said Alabama, and I think for a reason.

 

And Hapless now is your chance to go around with a Bills helmet on for a few days if you want. You have a good excuse!  

 

 

 

 

[Royale with Cheese]

21 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Didn’t know Johnny Football got his degree

 

I’m still waiting to have it explained why Rosen’s point is contradicted by either team’s W-L record.  His implication is that ‘Bama does well because it loosens academic standards for football players and creates programs to keep them eligible.  

 

You could counter that by showing that ‘Bama football players major in the same subjects/take the same classes and have the same GPA distribution as the rest of the student body

 

But crowing about ‘Bama wins could in fact, just reinforce Rosen’s points

 

You aren’t seeming to make a lot of sense, though I am on neuro precautions at the moment so I’m open to having an explanation of why really, you do

 

He's not making any sense.  He's essentially putting his fingers in his ears and screaming blah blah blah if anything is stated negatively about Alabama academics.

Then his counter arguments have nothing to do with the topic. 

[Sky Diver]

9 minutes ago, BadLandsMeanie said:

 

 From a disinterested party, wait. Not to say that your guys debate isn't interesting, it actually is. Usually these things turn into one person stating facts and the other falls back on calling names.

 

Anyway I should have said neutral party. From a neutral party consider the possibility, as I do, that Rosen was making a wise crack.

 

He very easily could have made his point, and made it better, by speaking in a general way about schools fitting a certain profile. But he  didn't he said Alabama, and I think for a reason.

 

And Hapless now is your chance to go around with a Bills helmet on for a few days if you want. You have a good excuse!  

 

 

 

 

 

He also demeaned two Clemson players who earned their degrees early.

 

First, Rosen claimed that “football and school don’t go together,” and if an athlete tries his hardest to earn a good education, he’s taking time away from football. Hayes then asked how Watson and his roommate, Artavis Scott, were able to graduate in three years at Clemson.

Here is Rosen’s response and the follow-up question and answer:

Rosen: I’m not knocking what those guys accomplished. They should be applauded for that. But certain schools are easier than others.

B/R: It can’t be that simple.

Rosen: If I wanted to graduate in three years, I’d just get a sociology degree. I want to get my MBA. I want to create my own business. When I’m finished with football, I want a seamless transition to life and work and what I’ve dreamed about doing all my life. I want to own the world. Every young person should be able to have that dream and the ability to access it. I don’t think that’s too much to ask.

While Rosen did commend the Clemson players for their accomplishments, his comment can be taken as a backhanded compliment. The Clemson players had every right to choose an “easier” field if it interested them. Watson and Scott both graduated with communications degrees.

 

https://www.diehards.com/clemson/ucla-qb-josh-rosen-hands-deshaun-watson

 

By the way, Rosen is leaving UCLA without a degree and Clemson, like Alabama, is a fine university,

 

Edited April 4, 2018 by Sky Diver

[Mr. WEO]

13 hours ago, Sky Diver said:

 

Having a 75th percentile ACT of 32 puts Alabama among the public Ivy’s.

 

The 25th percentile of 23 is largely demographic driven.

 

 

Combining all of your threads....none of them disputes what Rosen is saying nor do any of them lead us to conclude Saban is right.

 

Saban's players, like many NCAA football players anywhere in Div1, aren't in the vast majority, obtaining majors in difficult majors either because they aren't very bright or because of the reasons Rosen stated.

 

This isn't even controversial.  Saban comes off as a moron in this debate. 

[GunnerBill]

17 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

This isn't even controversial.  Saban comes off as a moron in this debate. 

 

Some things never change then.....

[North Buffalo]

Agree with Saban.. granted Rosen said this last year.  I worked fulltime while in college, volunteered and had internships my junior and senior years.  Was it tough yeh, not much of a social life., was it worth the sacrifice... yup...  ps that was over 30 years ago...  dont know Rosen but strikes me of Mellianial whining.

Edited April 4, 2018 by North Buffalo

[Royale with Cheese]

33 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

Combining all of your threads....none of them disputes what Rosen is saying nor do any of them lead us to conclude Saban is right.

 

Saban's players, like many NCAA football players anywhere in Div1, aren't in the vast majority, obtaining majors in difficult majors either because they aren't very bright or because of the reasons Rosen stated.

 

This isn't even controversial.  Saban comes off as a moron in this debate. 

 

What's funny is that the same site that the OP used also said we should thank Rosen for his comments.

 

http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2017/08/instead_of_hating_josh_rosen_f.html

 

4 minutes ago, North Buffalo said:

Agree with Saban.. granted Rosen said this last year.  I worked fulltime while in college, volunteered and had internships my junior and senior years.  Was it tough yeh, not much of a social life., was it worth the sacrifice... yup...  ps that was over 30 years ago...  dont know Rosen but strikes me of Mellianial whining.

 

What was your major?  I ask because I was a college athlete and there was a lot of programs that I couldn't get into because of the demands of my schedule.

 

I ended up with an Education degree that I had to put off for a year because of baseball (this is why I graduated in 5 years instead of 4).  I could not complete my internship/student teaching if I continued to play.  The rules were I couldn't miss more than 3 days in the classroom.  Well in the spring when the season is going on, I'm missing a lot of school.  Practice in the offseason was 1:00 pm - 5:00 pm every Monday thru Friday.  Student teaching is 7:00 am - 3:00 pm...Monday thru Friday.  I had a teammate that was an Architecture Major.  He had to quit ball because he could not do both with the hours in the lab that are required for his major.  

If I was a business, sociology, communications major etc......I wouldn't have had a problem doing both.

 

I had to wait until I was done with ball and then finish my degree.  In my last year in college while playing ball, I took a bunch of easy classes just to be eligible over the 12 hour limit to play.