/dev/null Posted August 19, 2018 Author Share Posted August 19, 2018 https://www.yahoo.com/news/venezuela-edge-maduro-unveils-raft-economic-reforms-160712910.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snafu Posted August 20, 2018 Share Posted August 20, 2018 On 8/19/2018 at 12:37 AM, /dev/null said: https://www.yahoo.com/news/venezuela-edge-maduro-unveils-raft-economic-reforms-160712910.html Maduro: "It's not 'puke', it's 'vomit'." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted August 21, 2018 Share Posted August 21, 2018 It's being reported that the average adult in Venezuela has lost 30 lbs, and that the flood of refugees over the border into Brazil and the anger of the Brazilian locals at this reality is leading to wide scale violence along the Brazil/Venezuela border. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted August 21, 2018 Share Posted August 21, 2018 2 minutes ago, TakeYouToTasker said: It's being reported that the average adult in Venezuela has lost 30 lbs, and that the flood of refugees over the border into Brazil and the anger of the Brazilian locals at this reality is leading to wide scale violence along the Brazil/Venezuela border. Tell me more about this racist behavior. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevbeau Posted August 21, 2018 Share Posted August 21, 2018 2 minutes ago, TakeYouToTasker said: It's being reported that the average adult in Venezuela has lost 30 lbs, and that the flood of refugees over the border into Brazil and the anger of the Brazilian locals at this reality is leading to wide scale violence along the Brazil/Venezuela border. Heard they’re also lopping of zeros on the currency and raising the minimum wage. That’ll work well. F it. Buildings already on fire, might as well burn it to the ground. https://www.google.com/amp/www.latimes.com/world/la-fg-venezuela-economy-20180820-story.html%3foutputType=amp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dante Posted August 21, 2018 Share Posted August 21, 2018 On 3/28/2018 at 12:14 PM, TakeYouToTasker said: Venezuela was a healthy and established democracy, with and emerging economy, and was the wealthiest country in South America prior to it's socialist revolution. Now it's children fight with machetes for garbage. And when it really gets bad and starvation sets in, the neighboring countries have to take on the refugees that they don't need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koko78 Posted August 21, 2018 Share Posted August 21, 2018 8 minutes ago, Dante said: And when it really gets bad and starvation sets in, the neighboring countries have to take on the refugees that they don't need. Tough call for the neighboring countries. Do you deny access, fortify your border, and let them to their fate, or do you accept them into your country, set up camps to warehouse them, and pay to feed them all with no real benefit to your country? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snafu Posted August 21, 2018 Share Posted August 21, 2018 Ecuador already tightened up their border. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-45237368 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted August 21, 2018 Share Posted August 21, 2018 51 minutes ago, TakeYouToTasker said: It's being reported that the average adult in Venezuela has lost 30 lbs, and that the flood of refugees over the border into Brazil and the anger of the Brazilian locals at this reality is leading to wide scale violence along the Brazil/Venezuela border. But let's put that in perspective: along that whole 1300 mile border there's basically only crossing where you won't die in dense rain forest or mountain ridges. This is basically along one road. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dante Posted August 21, 2018 Share Posted August 21, 2018 1 minute ago, Koko78 said: Tough call for the neighboring countries. Do you deny access, fortify your border, and let them to their fate, or do you accept them into your country, set up camps to warehouse them, and pay to feed them all with no real benefit to your country? From a humanitarian perspective, it's an awful position. From a "let nature take it's course" it should be easy. Let the flawed political systems die but how can that happen if the people that consciously chose that system don't suffer the consequences of it? If there is always an international safety net the disaster they were living in is soon forgotten and the same con game can be remarketed and sold over and over again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
outsidethebox Posted August 21, 2018 Share Posted August 21, 2018 4 minutes ago, Koko78 said: Tough call for the neighboring countries. Do you deny access, fortify your border, and let them to their fate, or do you accept them into your country, set up camps to warehouse them, and pay to feed them all with no real benefit to your country? You give them free rides to the American border where they can enter illegally. Problem solved ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dante Posted August 21, 2018 Share Posted August 21, 2018 2 minutes ago, westside said: You give them free rides to the American border where they can enter illegally. Problem solved ? You can kind of see the same problem coming very soon to South Africa. I believe the country has an average IQ in the low 70s. Confiscating farms and I imagine chasing out the know-how at the same time. That place has to be 3/4 of the way to disaster. What happens when the food supply is compromised because the people getting the farms don't know what they are doing? Mass migration to Europe? Chasing down the same guy you chased out so you can eat? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Callahan Posted August 21, 2018 Share Posted August 21, 2018 And the media ignores that plight every single day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
outsidethebox Posted August 21, 2018 Share Posted August 21, 2018 Just now, Dante said: You can kind of see the same problem coming very soon to South Africa. I believe the country has an average IQ in the low 70s. Confiscating farms and I imagine chasing out the know-how at the same time. That place has to be 3/4 of the way to disaster. What happens when the food supply is compromised because the people getting the farms don't know what they are doing? Mass migration to Europe? Chasing down the same guy you chased out so you can eat? I don't think these thugs planned to far ahead. That continent is a shithole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sherpa Posted August 21, 2018 Share Posted August 21, 2018 35 minutes ago, snafu said: Ecuador already tightened up their border. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-45237368 Be mindful that Ecuador was a big supporter of the tragic "Bolivarian Revolution" authored by Chavez. They reap what they sew. Colombia, on the other hand, never was, and they and Brazil have borne the brunt of the exodus from that brilliant eco/political plan. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snafu Posted August 21, 2018 Share Posted August 21, 2018 1 minute ago, sherpa said: Be mindful that Ecuador was a big supporter of the tragic "Bolivarian Revolution" authored by Chavez. They reap what they sew. Colombia, on the other hand, never was, and they and Brazil have borne the brunt of the exodus from that brilliant eco/political plan. I remember. Ecuador didn't create the Venezuelan mess, but they certainly were cheerleaders of Chavez every time he tried to put a stick into America's eye. 1 hour ago, Kevbeau said: Heard they’re also lopping of zeros on the currency and raising the minimum wage. That’ll work well. F it. Buildings already on fire, might as well burn it to the ground. https://www.google.com/amp/www.latimes.com/world/la-fg-venezuela-economy-20180820-story.html%3foutputType=amp Yeah, the plan now it to tie their currency to their own cryptocurrency which is backed by their oil exports. These two articles explain how badly that's going to turn out. https://www.businessinsider.com/venezuelas-oil-criss-cant-be-stopped-2018-3 https://www.forbes.com/sites/rrapier/2017/05/07/how-venezuela-ruined-its-oil-industry/#b15a88f7399d Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Dude Posted August 21, 2018 Share Posted August 21, 2018 This is why history is so important. This is why I study it relentlessly. Socialism sounds great unless you know better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sherpa Posted August 21, 2018 Share Posted August 21, 2018 I got to watch this first hand. A tragedy. The only puzzling thing is why there hasn't been a revolution there. Other populaces have dumped their govs for far less egregious errors I am quite aware of the forces in play there, but still, it begs the question of why would they put up with this for so long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taro T Posted August 21, 2018 Share Posted August 21, 2018 (edited) 27 minutes ago, sherpa said: I got to watch this first hand. A tragedy. The only puzzling thing is why there hasn't been a revolution there. Other populaces have dumped their govs for far less egregious errors I am quite aware of the forces in play there, but still, it begs the question of why would they put up with this for so long. Purely speculation, but would expect a large part of that is that the people suffering the most were the biggest supporters of Chavez & his nationalization policies. To turn on his successor would actually require some introspection. That, & the last time a coup was attempted it did not go well. Those that would be best suited to organize & lead another are no longer available. Certainly, there's a lot more than just that, but those would seem to be major factors. Edited August 21, 2018 by Taro T Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted August 21, 2018 Share Posted August 21, 2018 6 minutes ago, Taro T said: Purely speculation, but would expect a large part of that is that the people suffering the most were the biggest supporters of Chavez & his nationalization policies. To turn on his successor would actually require some introspection. That, & the last time a coup was attempted it did not go well. Those that would be best suited to organize & lead another are no longer available. Certainly, there's a lot more than just that, but those would seem to be major factors. For the same reason there was no revolution n USSR. Ordinary people didn't believe that their lives were horrid, while the regime bought off the military. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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