Boatdrinks Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 10 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: Getting a QB just to get a QB smacks of EJ desperation. They do have a need at the position. No proven starting caliber QB on the roster. So drafting one that might be makes a lot of sense. The quality of that prospect will dictate the draft currency expended. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Lightning Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 1 minute ago, oldmanfan said: And he can get one if he trade up. An an entire day of posts and it still comes down to how Beane feels about these guys. If he feels one is as good as you seem to think, he can move up. If not, he won't I get it, but it's not just Beane's call anymore. If the Jints see this as a once in a decade chance to get a franchise QB, then nothing's going to move them. So it's gonna take two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 1 minute ago, Green Lightning said: Wow, the Bills were involved. Nobody has any idea what that means it what was offered. Until we do, it's moot. Maybe there's nothing we could have done, we don't know. But pardon me for not being excited for a year of AJ McCarron and Nathan Peterson. I'm not asking if you're excited or not. It's a legitimate question. The Bills need an upgrade at QB. They are in a draft slot that won't get them one of the top 4 prospects, most likely. There may not be a team that currently is willing to move down into their slot at 12. You acknowledged the need at the position. What do you think Beane/ McDermott should do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 1 minute ago, Green Lightning said: I get it, but it's not just Beane's call anymore. If the Jints see this as a once in a decade chance to get a franchise QB, then nothing's going to move them. So it's gonna take two. It was never just Beane's call. Today did not change that one iota 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimer1960 Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 3 hours ago, Chuck Wagon said: The Jets didn't pay a kings ransom. They gave up 3 2nd round picks. It's minuscule if their QB actually hits and it's certainly better than the alternative of watching us trade up above them and freeze out the QB position. We're screwed. I think the Giants are set on QB, likely Rosen. No running back is worth the picks that would likely be given on a move. QBs go top 3, potentially even 4, that's why the Jets moved up, they knew if they watched us trade up and get a franchise QB they'd be crucified, not to mention have to play against him twice a year. Our best play now is just keep our picks, if not potentially move down for future picks, build the best "TEAM" possible, hope that McCarron or a later QB can be better than Bortles/Tyrod level and continue to exists in purgatory. The pipe dream of a move up to get one of these guys was likely always just a pipe dream. The difference is that the Jets’ 6th overall pick was wort much more than pick 12 AND both Jets’ 2nds were higher than the Bills’ 2 2nds. No treally that surprising except to those who thought that the Bills’ draft capital was far superior to all other teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 3 hours ago, H2o said: For weeks we have been watching the moves. Tyrod to Cleveland for #65. Glenn to Cincy getting us to #12 from #21. We signed Davis, we signed Ivory, we signed Star, we signed Murphy, and we signed McCarron. The stars seemed to be aligning and everyone was talking about how teams KNEW the Bills were coming for a top QB. There were rumors about the Bills being in talks with Indy to get to #3 or the Giants to #2, though I felt the Giants weren't a realistic option. That almost assured us of getting our guy though. Everyone would have been below us after Cleveland. In steps the NY Jets paying a king's ransom to move up 3 spots. They changed the whole landscape of the draft, for us anyway. I'm not seeing us getting up high enough to our grab our guy. It will likely be a fallback option and I fear that fallback is Jackson. This is how I see things playing out. 1. Cleveland Browns - Sam Darnold 2. NY Giants - Saquon Barkley 3. NY Jets - Josh Rosen 4. Cleveland Browns - Bradley Chubb 5. Denver Broncos - Baker Mayfield Were we ever going to ransom the farm to get into the top 5? I don't know. It seemed like we were in a good place to make that move. The Giants could make it even worse by passing on Barkley and taking a QB. If that happens then boom, done. That would mean 4 QB's in the first 5 picks. Could Cleveland still end up trading us #4? Maybe, but I think they are staying put. This leaves Allen and Jackson on the board if the Giants choose to build around Eli, which I think they will do. At this point I don't think we move anymore. I am almost certain now that Beane\McDermott will let the draft come to them. We will still end adding some serious talent with the picks we have, but my hopes of Mayfield or Rosen are all but shot. F*ck you NY Jets. There will only be 2 QBs taken in the top 10...bank on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimer1960 Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 3 hours ago, BillsFan4 said: Or maybe they did try to get to #3 and the Colts took the Jets offer instead. Ballard said they were in discussions with other QB needy teams and they decided to take this deal because they felt they'd still get a blue chip prospect at #6. Yep - Jets’ picks were worth more than the Bills’ picks, no matter what some believe. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted March 18, 2018 Author Share Posted March 18, 2018 5 minutes ago, matter2003 said: There will only be 2 QBs taken in the top 10...bank on it. There will be at least 3 taken in the top 5....bank on it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Lightning Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 19 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said: I'm not asking if you're excited or not. It's a legitimate question. The Bills need an upgrade at QB. They are in a draft slot that won't get them one of the top 4 prospects, most likely. There may not be a team that currently is willing to move down into their slot at 12. You acknowledged the need at the position. What do you think Beane/ McDermott should do? Obviously trade up. And neither you nor I know what they did in that regard. What they we're willing to give up or not. All we know is we got leapfrogged. There's still a shot at #2. How realistic that is now is anyone's guess. If we're boxed out for whatever reason, it's no surprise to anyone that this FO will be judge almost soley on the success of filling that position. Maybe Beane doesn't value this group as much as others do. We have to trust he's got a plan B. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 Jets changed nothing. If we wanted Rosen, we needed to pick 2nd all along. If we went to 3 or 4, the Jets would have just traded to 2. I actually think it’s dumb the Jets didn’t go to 2. They are allowing us or any other QB needy team to scoop them and now they’ve spent their assets Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 2 minutes ago, Virgil said: Jets changed nothing. If we wanted Rosen, we needed to pick 2nd all along. If we went to 3 or 4, the Jets would have just traded to 2. I actually think it’s dumb the Jets didn’t go to 2. They are allowing us or any other QB needy team to scoop them and now they’ve spent their assets There is a belief in some NFL circles that the Giants will not do business with the Jets. I wasn't aware of this , but it has some merit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sky Diver Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 1 hour ago, DriveFor1Outta5 said: Every draft pick is a question mark. The QB position is just heavily scrutinized to the point that it makes us see more failures. An average QB is viewed more as a bust than an average linebacker. Maybe, but why trade Glenn? If you’re building a roster, why create a hole? Everything that we’ve done has indicated that we are collecting assets to acquire a QB. Otherwise, trading a large number of players isn’t the first step to creating a roster with good depth. Trading guys away creates holes that need to be filled. Only drafting a franchise QB allows those decisions to make sense imo. I know that Glenn had injury issues, but talented tackles don’t grow on trees. So, did we just trade Glenn only to replace him in the draft? That would true old school OBD management right there. Glenn was overpaid, oft injured and expendable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrankoElTanko Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 This has everything to do with them essentially losing nothing in terms of the rebuild to move down three spots (#3ovr to #6ovr) and gain (what should be) 3 long term starters through the 2 early seconds this yr and the 1 more next yr. Also it was good business for the Jets who just ensured that they will get a crack at their 1a. or their 1b. regardless of whether we move to #1 or 2ovr or not. Real reason Indy makes this move is not because of the Jets offer v. our offer, it has everything to do with the fact that the Jets were at #6ovr and we are at #12ovr. Or maybe we have a deal for #2 w/NYG? Or maybe I don't know anything and am full of ish, who knows, lol?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsredneck1 Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 1 hour ago, Green Lightning said: Wow, the Bills were involved. Nobody has any idea what that means it what was offered. Until we do, it's moot. Maybe there's nothing we could have done, we don't know. But pardon me for not being excited for a year of AJ McCarron and Nathan Peterson. it's obvious that you've done your homework on predicting the capabilities of our current qbs..... and btw ..it's peterman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Lightning Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 52 minutes ago, billsredneck1 said: it's obvious that you've done your homework on predicting the capabilities of our current qbs..... and btw ..it's peterman Voice to text. So you're sold on our present QBs? Going to take us to the next level? AJ couldn't unseat a mid tier starter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptnCoke11 Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 5 hours ago, bobobonators said: Said it in another thread. This is the Colts’ payback for the Hughes trade years ago. ??♂️ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SectionC3 Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 1 hour ago, Virgil said:Jets changed nothing. If we wanted Rosen, we needed to pick 2nd all along. If we went to 3 or 4, the Jets would have just traded to 2. I actually think it’s dumb the Jets didn’t go to 2. They are allowing us or any other QB needy team to scoop them and now they’ve spent their assets Exactly right. They showed their hand and guaranteed themselves nothing more than the third best QB in the draft. They may may also have raised the price of the second pick of the draft. Maybe it costs us 12 + 22 + a two and a three this year + a 1 next year to get to 2. So be it if that is the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, H2o said: There will be at least 3 taken in the top 5....bank on it According to most people on this board their will be 8 taken in the top 10. Ill bet money 3 in the top 5 wont happen. Didnt even happen when there was Eli, Rivers and Roethlesberger there in 2004 and those 3 are likely far far better than the crop of QBs this year Edited March 18, 2018 by matter2003 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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