BigDingus Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 (edited) http://cbsprt.co/2HCCmDV The video has Brady Quinn's mock with the Bills moving up to take Allen 2nd overall... I've been under the impression that Allen was a mid-round talent that could drop even further since he's so raw, and basically just has the prototypical QB "look," without the accolades & accomplishments to go with it. Why would anyone TRADE UP to grab him? Maybe trade down, but into the top 3 and #2 overall?! The old Bills regimes were known for a few reaches, but this would be an even riskier one. Is there any talk of us having our sights set on him? Granted it's just one mock, but we've seen this show before. A QB who's average-above average but with the look and size moves up not based on his on-field play, but his measurements/combine/pro-day/etc. as the draft gets closer. Really hoping there isn't a bigger thing going on behind the scenes here where people from OBD are lapping up Allen's "ceiling" & media members are catching wind of this. Thankfully, this mock also by CBS Sports has us moving up to #3 & grabbing Darnold (who's actually the highest rated by NFL.com draft profile of any QB the past several years) - https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/news/2018-nfl-mock-draft-bills-trade-up-into-top-five-for-qb-saquon-barkley-drops/ and looks more realistic. Oddly, it also has Allen ranked high, this time at #1 overall. According to NFL.com, Allen is rated a 6.01, Mayfield a 6.03, Rosen a 6.19, and Darnold a 7.0. Why are teams so enamored with Allen? Edited March 15, 2018 by BigDingus 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Domdab99 Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 Who gives a **** what Brady Quinn says? 4 4 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigDingus Posted March 15, 2018 Author Share Posted March 15, 2018 Just now, Domdab99 said: Who gives a **** what Brady Quinn says? Multiple mocks have Allen now a top 3 QB, potentially even #1 overall (like the 2nd link I posted). My question is why, and are there rumblings the Bills are targeting him that I've missed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 What most fans don't understand is Allen is the #2 QB. We don't like it but he is rated higher than Rosen and Mayfield. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seanbillsfan2206 Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 There’s so much talk about Allen to the Bills that it can’t be true. Let’s hope it’s not true anyways... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffaloboyinATL Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 All just guesses... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LikeIGiveADarn Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 I guarantee Allen is this year's media hyped prospect. ESPN will have cameras on him all night as he sits there waiting to be called. Most NFL teams are not stupid enough to take such a raw prospect on measurables alone. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drunken Pygmy Goat Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 I love it! Not the Bills selecting Allen, but the consensus that they will. It's smoky in here... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigDingus Posted March 15, 2018 Author Share Posted March 15, 2018 (edited) Here we go, this page shows all of their picks - https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/mock-draft/ Pete Prisco has the Bills taking Josh Allen at #3 Brady Quinn has the Bills taking Josh Allen at #2 Will Brinson has the Browns taking Josh Allen at #1 Chris Trapasso has the Browns taking Josh Allen at #1 RJ White has the Browns taking Josh Allen at #1 Ryan Wilson has the Giants taking Josh Allen at #1 So wtf happened that shot Josh Allen up to #1? Look at his game log, he's not good against good teams, and has a mid 50% accuracy with ok numbers. Edited March 15, 2018 by BigDingus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seanbillsfan2206 Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 5 minutes ago, TheTruthHurts said: What most fans don't understand is Allen is the #2 QB. We don't like it but he is rated higher than Rosen and Mayfield. It depends on who you ask Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drunken Pygmy Goat Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 5 minutes ago, TheTruthHurts said: What most fans don't understand is Allen is the #2 QB. We don't like it but he is rated higher than Rosen and Mayfield. Says who? You? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 1 minute ago, BigDingus said: Here we go, this page shows all of their picks - https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/mock-draft/ Pete Prisco has the Bills taking Josh Allen at #3 Brady Quinn has the Bills taking Josh Allen at #2 Will Brinson has the Browns taking Josh Allen at #1 Chris Trapasso has the Browns taking Josh Allen at #1 RJ White has the Browns taking Josh Allen at #1 Ryan Wilson has the Giants taking Josh Allen at #1 So wtf happened that shot Josh Allen up to #1? Look at his game log, he's not good against good teams, and has a mid 50% accuracy with ok numbers. He can throw a football 61mph. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drunken Pygmy Goat Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 1 minute ago, BigDingus said: Here we go, this page shows all of their picks - https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/mock-draft/ Pete Prisco has the Bills taking Josh Allen at #3 Brady Quinn has the Bills taking Josh Allen at #2 Will Brinson has the Browns taking Josh Allen at #1 Chris Trapasso has the Browns taking Josh Allen at #1 RJ White has the Browns taking Josh Allen at #1 Ryan Wilson has the Giants taking Josh Allen at #1 So wtf happened that shot Josh Allen up to #1? Look at his game log, he's not good against good teams, and has a mid 50% accuracy with ok numbers. What happened is NFL GMs know how to play their cards. They have their eyes set on a guy or guys, and a good way to keep that secret is to give the impression that that person is someone else. Allen is the perfect pawn. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call_Of_Ktulu Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 Allen has moved up to the top QB in a lot of lists. Not sure why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsbackto81 Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 From what I've seen this message board seems to be the only source taking Rosen in a trade up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drunken Pygmy Goat Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said: Allen has moved up to the top QB in a lot of lists. Not sure why? Pretty simple to figure out actually, and it's not due to what he did on the field. Edited March 15, 2018 by Drunken Pygmy Goat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 Good thing Brady Quinn knows next to nothing about NFL quarterbacking. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 (edited) 16 minutes ago, BigDingus said: http://cbsprt.co/2HCCmDV The video has Brady Quinn's mock with the Bills moving up to take Allen 2nd overall... I've been under the impression that Allen was a mid-round talent that could drop even further since he's so raw, and basically just has the prototypical QB "look," without the accolades & accomplishments to go with it. Why would anyone TRADE UP to grab him? Maybe trade down, but into the top 3 and #2 overall?! The old Bills regimes were known for a few reaches, but this would be an even riskier one. Is there any talk of us having our sights set on him? Granted it's just one mock, but we've seen this show before. A QB who's average-above average but with the look and size moves up not based on his on-field play, but his measurements/combine/pro-day/etc. as the draft gets closer. Really hoping there isn't a bigger thing going on behind the scenes here where people from OBD are lapping up Allen's "ceiling" & media members are catching wind of this. Thankfully, this mock also by CBS Sports has us moving up to #3 & grabbing Darnold (who's actually the highest rated by NFL.com draft profile of any QB the past several years) - https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/news/2018-nfl-mock-draft-bills-trade-up-into-top-five-for-qb-saquon-barkley-drops/ and looks more realistic. Nothing to see here, Dingus. 1) a bunch of pundits have been Mocking Josh Allen very high and further pumping him up since the Combine. Mayock has Darnold and Allen ahead of Rosen. Kiper has Allen going #1 overall to the Browns, and as the top QB on his mock. I'd love to know how often those guys are right. I remember Kiper on The Pickle (can't miss, he'd retire if he doesn't succeed) and Gabbert (#1 overall!) There's all kind of stuff about how Allen "Won the Combine" 2) a bunch of pundits have been Mocking Allen to the Bills for weeks - Ben Allbright is one, Daniel Jeremiah has us trading up to #3 and taking Allen! Sounds like Brady Quinn is basically just copying them. Lately Allbright has been saying Allen/Rosen to Bills. Which means Bills probably want Darnold or Baker. Count me as not on the Allen train. I want Rosen or Mayfield based on what they show on game film. I don't like Darnold's throwing motion at all. I don't like the way Allen responds to pressure in the pocket, nor his mechanics. But that's just me, and in addition to my limited film skills of course I don't know what kind of football knowledge these guys have or how they come across in person. 12 minutes ago, TheTruthHurts said: What most fans don't understand is Allen is the #2 QB. We don't like it but he is rated higher than Rosen and Mayfield. I think we understand this, the question is what are the chops of the people doing this rating, and what is their basis for it? Edited March 15, 2018 by Hapless Bills Fan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 11 minutes ago, BigDingus said: Multiple mocks have Allen now a top 3 QB, potentially even #1 overall (like the 2nd link I posted). My question is why, and are there rumblings the Bills are targeting him that I've missed? Multiple mocks had us taking Paxton Lynch a few years ago. Ian Rapoport even said 5 minutes before our pick that we would select Lynch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigDingus Posted March 15, 2018 Author Share Posted March 15, 2018 12 minutes ago, TheTruthHurts said: What most fans don't understand is Allen is the #2 QB. We don't like it but he is rated higher than Rosen and Mayfield. He's really not though.. He's rated low on every chart. NFL.com's draft profiles have him as the worst, and this one - https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/prospect-rankings/quarterbacks/ has him ranked the 6th best QB prospect... Everywhere I search, he's bottom of the barrel in terms of top names, and even when breaking down by skill set, he's ranked dead last in nearly every category except for arm strength & mobility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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