Josh Rosen has "Bust" written ALL over him.

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Out of all the qbs in the draft, Rosen is the safest choice. Most of the knocks on him are superficial. And I'm glad that they are, because he really shouldn't slip past number 1. And no, the Ryan Leaf comparisons are not even close. Ryan Leaf was an athletic QB who wasn't known for his IQ. Rosen is criticized for acting like he's too smart, which is a pretty dumb flaw, if you ask me. His family is highly educated, and he hates trump, so I can't think of anyone who would be more fired up to go against the pats twice a year.

 

Edited March 13, 2018 by MURPHD6

[QuoteTheRaven83]

2 hours ago, BillsFan4 said:

http://www.newyorkupstate.com/buffalo-bills/index.ssf/2018/02/2018_nfl_draft_josh_rosen_highlights_scouting_report_and_fit_with_buffalo_bills.html

 

I like this one on Rosen better ... lol

 

Or this -

 

 

 

6:08 mark. Probably one of the greatest passes to a defensive player that wasn't intercepted. 

[Turk71]

2 hours ago, NewDayBills said:

Rosen is smart though. I think there is no chance he busts, he may be a disappointment, he may never be a franchise QB, but I think he is starter material. I don't like his attitude, no fire, no competitive attitude. Which is why I'm all in on Mayfield, he is all heart.

 I definitely think there is a chance he busts. The guy had two concussions last year alone and an injury history going back to high school. He does not have a solid build. I live in Eugene and follow Pac 12 football. Rosen has never impressed me as a football player, he looks the part but I question his heart and will to be the best. No one is a sure fire winner and I am not sold on any 1 qb. I am not prepared for the Bills  to suck while waiting and hoping the guy they pick is the one. This team made the playoffs with sub par qb play, no reason they couldn't go further with better qb and improved talent on both sides. I would prefer they sign one of the better fa qbs and a great prospect like Mayfield. Win now and in the future. Why put all your eggs in one uncertain basket, if it doesn't work you suck for a few years and have to start over. 

Edited March 13, 2018 by Turk71

[Fetou]

More like Rosen is going to bust all over the league for 12 years. 

[Kelly the Dog]

20 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Tell me more about this QB who played in the NFL, and played well, despite having poor ball placement.

Tyrod. He's been a starter for three years and played pretty well under any circumstances outside of insane Bills fans. He finished with decent numbers considering all factors. He just got traded for the 65 pick. He's getting middle of the pack starter money. He got to the playoffs. That's "pretty well." And he has a strong arm but poor ball placement.

[DriveFor1Outta5]

2 hours ago, Klaista2k said:

He was playing beyond a terrible offensive line and with below average receivers. 

 

 

 

And none of that changes by coming to Buffalo. 

[Doc Brown]

54 minutes ago, Luka said:

 

I still do. Eli is highly underrated. You can't look at this past season and proclaim he's terrible. That's short sighted and ignorant. Half the team was on IR. He's won the big game, he's had great seasons and he's been let down by the complete lack of any kind of running game the past few years. Any QB sturggles when the team is one dimensional.

I've always considered him in that second tier of very good but not elite.  Definitely a franchise QB though and I think Rosen will have a similar career.  I'd love to jump up and get Rosen.

[The Bills Blog]

A couple of things:

 

I think many of you who are touting his physical characteristics and smarts are overlooking the fact that there are major questions about his personality and leadership -- areas in which a quarterback must be strong in order to succeed. You can't overlook those things. If there are questions about your quarterback's effort, passion for the game, etc., you're in trouble. Guys aren't following that.

 

For the record, I don't think we should draft Baker Mayfield either (even though many people seem to think that being down on Rosen is synonymous with loving Mayfield).

 

Also, the reason I didn't post the strengths listed in the scouting report is because I truly believe that you have to look at a prospect's weaknesses, not strengths, as the foremost part of the evaluation. You want to evaluate his floor first.

[Doc Brown]

55 minutes ago, Alvarado50 said:

Agree 100%

Rosen = Leaf

Leaf had a 53.8 completion % in college (55% his final year).  Rosen's at 60.9% (62.6% his final year).  We really don't know if Rosen's attitude was similar to Leaf's.  The Bills have to do their due diligence on him.

[MAJBobby]

1 minute ago, The Bills Blog said:

A couple of things:

 

I think many of you who are touting his physical characteristics and smarts are overlooking the fact that there are major questions about his personality and leadership -- areas in which a quarterback must be strong in order to succeed. You can't overlook those things. If there are questions about your quarterback's effort, passion for the game, etc., you're in trouble. Guys aren't following that.

 

For the record, I don't think we should draft Baker Mayfield either (even though many people seem to think that being down on Rosen is synonymous with loving Mayfield).

 

Also, the reason I didn't post the strengths listed in the scouting report is because I truly believe that you have to look at a prospect's weaknesses, not strengths, as the foremost part of the evaluation. You want to evaluate his floor first.

 

Find me ONE just ONE teammate that has anything  NEGATIVE about his personality. 

 

With How much is Said about how negative his personality is there must be A BUNCH of them

Edited March 13, 2018 by MAJBobby

[No Cease Fires]

6 minutes ago, The Bills Blog said:

A couple of things:

 

I think many of you who are touting his physical characteristics and smarts are overlooking the fact that there are major questions about his personality and leadership -- areas in which a quarterback must be strong in order to succeed. You can't overlook those things. If there are questions about your quarterback's effort, passion for the game, etc., you're in trouble. Guys aren't following that.

 

That personality/leadership stuff is mostly noise. His teammates seem plenty supportive of him. Now, the injury concerns, that I can understand being a red flag (though I think he's worth the risk).

Edited March 13, 2018 by No Cease Fires

[MrEpsYtown]

3 hours ago, BillsFan4 said:

http://www.newyorkupstate.com/buffalo-bills/index.ssf/2018/02/2018_nfl_draft_josh_rosen_highlights_scouting_report_and_fit_with_buffalo_bills.html

 

I like this one on Rosen better ... lol

 

Or this -

 

 

 

Two most obvious things about that video...Rosen clearly doesn't like football and his teammates hate him.

[Turk71]

9 minutes ago, No Cease Fires said:

 

That personality/leadership stuff is mostly noise. His teammates seem plenty supportive of him. Now, the injury concerns, that I can understand being a red flag (though I think he's worth the risk).

On the west coast there has been talk of him not being universally liked by his teammates for years now. All of the sudden during draft evaluation that is all not true. I am not buying it, also why did he not put up better numbers? The PAC is not exactly known for its fearsome defenses. I think he is just as likely or more likely to bust as any of the top qbs. 

[simool]

Awesome.  I am a breast man.  If our QB has bust written all over him, he must be a breast man too.

[MAJBobby]

2 minutes ago, Turk71 said:

On the west coast there has been talk of him not being universally liked by his teammates for years now. All of the sudden during draft evaluation that is all not true. I am not buying it, also why did he not put up better numbers? The PAC is not exactly known for its fearsome defenses. I think he is just as likely or more likely to bust as any of the top qbs. 

 

Find me ONE teammate just one That says ANYTHING bad about him. 

 

I will wait 

[BuffaloBillyG]

5 minutes ago, Turk71 said:

On the west coast there has been talk of him not being universally liked by his teammates for years now. All of the sudden during draft evaluation that is all not true. I am not buying it, also why did he not put up better numbers? The PAC is not exactly known for its fearsome defenses. I think he is just as likely or more likely to bust as any of the top qbs. 

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000918506/article/exucla-teammate-calls-josh-rosen-onceinamillennium-qb

 

Here's an interview with one of his former teammates. Seems to me he's pretty well liked.

[MAJBobby]

Heres one. Ooo wait nevermind all good about Rosen

 

Well, one of those teammates, offensive lineman Scott Quessenberry (pictured), is having none of it.

"I love Josh," Quessenberry said Thursday. "We're close. We're tight. When I saw him here for the first time in two months, I gave him a big bear hug." Quessenberry even said he hoped Rosen would someday be part of his wedding.

 

Now, every scouting combine is full of tepid endorsements by teammates of big-name prospects who have character questions. You practically have to be Kylo Ren for teammates to bad-mouth you to the national media.

 

But Quessenberry wasn't reciting he's a swell teammate platitudes. He was practically pounding the podium.

 

"The media puts out what they put out, and his teammates dispute everything the media puts out," Quessenberry said. "I said it before, I'll say it again, and I'll keep saying it until the end of my days: I love Josh Rosen, and I hope I get to play with him at the next level."

 

Quessenberry praised Rosen's "up everybody's behind" leadership. "He's tough as nails," according to Quessenberry, who described one play when a bloodied-up Rosen ran for a two-point conversion after nearly getting his helmet ripped off on the previous play.

 

Quessenberry doesn't know where the "bad teammate" story is coming from, though he suspects that some observers may have decided that Rosen was too "boisterous" or "opinionated."

This is the time of year when quarterbacks are psychoanalyzed by the rumor mill. And yes, most rumors start with some kernel of truth. Rosen probably rubs some teammates and coaches the wrong way. So does Tom Brady.

 

This "universally hated" gossip has taken a life of its own and is now getting passed fifth-hand from "insider" to "insider." And it's silly. No quarterback can function if he is that much of a pariah.

 

 

Ooo look more bad stuff about his attitude. And coach ability wait NOT more good

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/247sports.com/college/texas-am/Article/UCLA-teammates-and-coaches-rally-around-QB-Josh-Rosen-106605527/Amp

 

another reporter putting his name to exposing the lies of his attitude

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/247sports.com/college/ucla/Article/The-False-Narrative-on-UCLA-Quarterback-Josh-Rosen-112741479/Amp

 

last one more teammates and all good. 

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ndtscouting.com/ledyard-time-to-bury-josh-rosen-character-slander-once-and-for-all/amp/

 

 

so where are these mythical teamates that dislike him again????

Edited March 13, 2018 by MAJBobby

[Turk71]

3 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

 

Find me ONE teammate just one That says ANYTHING bad about him. 

 

I will wait 

I don't know any of them, just know that this is not something new. Just because they didn't like him doesn't mean they would trash him at such a crucial moment, but that doesn't mean his personality won't be a problem either.

[LABILLBACKER]

3 hours ago, Ittakestime said:

He is a train wreck, I 'm not sure why people are all over him.

 

His combine was a huge awakening for a lot of media and scouts.  I was listening to the Simms and Lefkoe podcast today and they were destroying him.  They didn't understand how a QB go 1 for 6 on out routes in shorts.

I've said since January Rosen has many issues. I've seen every snap he's made and he is injury prone. But the biggest red flag for Josh and what will ultimately take him down will be his personality. Mora protected him from the media over and over again. There's a reason his passion for football is in question. The choice for the Bills should be either Darnold or Mayfield. 

[MAJBobby]

2 minutes ago, Turk71 said:

I don't know any of them, just know that this is not something new. Just because they didn't like him doesn't mean they would trash him at such a crucial moment, but that doesn't mean his personality won't be a problem either.

 

People all want to say that with absolutely zero proof. 

 

People get upset because he has an opinion. Oooo no

Edited March 13, 2018 by MAJBobby