BobbyC81 Posted March 7, 2018 Share Posted March 7, 2018 48 minutes ago, DriveFor1Outta5 said: This ^ I’m quite neutral on this, except for the part where I believe we paid way too much to sign Ivory. I can’t justify that price tag for a 29 year old running back with fumbling issues. Limiting turnovers while allowing our defense to win games was the key to last season. I don’t see how introducing a turnover machine to the offense is good for “the process”, but at least we won’t see more Tolbert carries. I’m still not convinced that Beane wouldn’t possibly trade McCoy to move up in the draft. With their history of having traded away Watkins, Darby, Dareus, Ragland and trading for Benjamin, I wouldn't be totally surprised if McCoy was traded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted March 7, 2018 Share Posted March 7, 2018 I am not a fan of this, The Bills overpaid for a 30-year-old running back coming off of 2 bad seasons. I think they were better off going with a lower cost veteran and nabbing a rookie in round 3 or later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted March 7, 2018 Share Posted March 7, 2018 14 minutes ago, fansince88 said: Remember the day when we feared a free agent leave before we sign them? The process has changed that. I believe you are correct, sir. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fansince88 Posted March 7, 2018 Share Posted March 7, 2018 Just now, Doc said: I believe you are correct, sir. Please call me Mr Fansince88.... LOL. Its a new day! 2-0 for free agency, sir Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted March 7, 2018 Share Posted March 7, 2018 14 minutes ago, NewEra said: do you guys think we overpaid? 3 mill a year is about double what I thought it would be. Was thinking 1.5 to 2 mill a year. Happy we have him but I’m a little miffed at the price tag. Hopefully he can bring the thunder for 2 more years! 5 minutes ago, billsfan89 said: I am not a fan of this, The Bills overpaid for a 30-year-old running back coming off of 2 bad seasons. I think they were better off going with a lower cost veteran and nabbing a rookie in round 3 or later. Bill's Running Back coach Kelly Skipper was down in JAX with Ivory in 2016. Maybe he knows how we can use him. 2.75 one way or the other isn't going to kill the cap. I mean, they are paying DiMarco 2 million this year. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted March 7, 2018 Share Posted March 7, 2018 Just now, ColoradoBills said: Bill's Running Back coach Kelly Skipper was down in JAX with Ivory in 2016. Maybe he knows how we can use him. 2.75 one way or the other isn't going to kill the cap. I mean, they are paying DiMarco 2 million this year. 2.75 for a caliber of player that you probably could have drafted in the mid to late rounds or gotten off the street for cheaper isn't a good use of 10% of your remaining cap space. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bing Bong Posted March 7, 2018 Share Posted March 7, 2018 2 hours ago, Doc said: Good. They panned all their moves last year. like the Peterman start? They're not biased morons like some around here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lfod Posted March 7, 2018 Share Posted March 7, 2018 I never knew who Tolbert was and I still don't. At least I have heard of Ivory. I like the feeling that the offense is being addressed. Hopefully it helps the offense move the chains a little more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted March 7, 2018 Share Posted March 7, 2018 5 minutes ago, billsfan89 said: 2.75 for a caliber of player that you probably could have drafted in the mid to late rounds or gotten off the street for cheaper isn't a good use of 10% of your remaining cap space. Don't get me wrong '89, I understand your points. We'll see, this isn't the 1st time people are "scratching their heads". The Skipper connection gives me a little more hope. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hurricane Marv Posted March 7, 2018 Share Posted March 7, 2018 (edited) 52 minutes ago, billsfan89 said: 2.75 for a caliber of player that you probably could have drafted in the mid to late rounds or gotten off the street for cheaper isn't a good use of 10% of your remaining cap space. Respected 8-year vet that's spent a ton of time in the division and has been to the Pro Bowl vs. "guy off the street" Please tell me more about how these two are the same. Edited March 7, 2018 by Hurricane Marv 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted March 7, 2018 Share Posted March 7, 2018 Just now, Lfod said: I never knew who Tolbert was and I still don't. At least I have heard of Ivory. I like the feeling that the offense is being addressed. Hopefully it helps the offense move the chains a little more. ...in his defense, I think he was a character type guy that McD wanted for the locker room presence and vet influence.....was never thought to be a major producer IMO and just my hunch about McD's thinking... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hurricane Marv Posted March 7, 2018 Share Posted March 7, 2018 (edited) 8 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...in his defense, I think he was a character type guy that McD wanted for the locker room presence and vet influence.....was never thought to be a major producer IMO and just my hunch about McD's thinking... I agree with this, which is why I love the signing of a character guy who can actually run better than Mike Tolbert. Chris Ivory is clean as a whistle by the way. Just a hard working professional that can contribute. Trust the process. Edited March 7, 2018 by Hurricane Marv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmy10 Posted March 7, 2018 Share Posted March 7, 2018 9 minutes ago, Hurricane Marv said: Chris Ivory is clean as a whistle by the way. Just a hard working professional that can contribute. Trust the process. Grr! Something something choir boys something something! Now whars me pitchfork!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Misterbluesky Posted March 7, 2018 Share Posted March 7, 2018 (edited) 28 minutes ago, Lfod said: I never knew who Tolbert was and I still don't. At least I have heard of Ivory. I like the feeling that the offense is being addressed. Hopefully it helps the offense move the chains a little more. He was a Whaley sign before he was fired..came from Carolina. Edited March 7, 2018 by Misterbluesky Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hurricane Marv Posted March 7, 2018 Share Posted March 7, 2018 Signing over the hill dime-a-dozen veteran RBs has worked for last two Super Bowl champs (*cough* Blount *cough*) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PIZ Posted March 7, 2018 Share Posted March 7, 2018 1 hour ago, billsfan89 said: 2.75 for a caliber of player that you probably could have drafted in the mid to late rounds or gotten off the street for cheaper isn't a good use of 10% of your remaining cap space. After trading up for Rose, they may not have the mid to late round picks available. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ol Dirty B Posted March 7, 2018 Share Posted March 7, 2018 59 minutes ago, Hurricane Marv said: Respected 8-year vet that's spent a ton of time in the division and has been to the Pro Bowl vs. "guy off the street" Please tell me more about how these two are the same. 3.4 ypc... He was not a Pro Bowler last year either, that's irrelevant. You know who else has been to a Pro Bowl? Tyrod. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lfod Posted March 7, 2018 Share Posted March 7, 2018 30 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...in his defense, I think he was a character type guy that McD wanted for the locker room presence and vet influence.....was never thought to be a major producer IMO and just my hunch about McD's thinking... I remember Tolbert breaking a good run for like 10 or 15 yards but unfortunately he fumbled it. That would of been a nice play if he held on because it would of been a first down I think. You have to work with what you have. So I would agree of MCD having a mindset of building a foundation for winning. I would agree with you on that. I think many of the moves this year have been doing exactly that and I actually agree with them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schmuggs Posted March 7, 2018 Share Posted March 7, 2018 (edited) I had a “feeling” this was going to happen... Welcome to Buffalo Chris!! Edited March 7, 2018 by Schmuggs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hurricane Marv Posted March 7, 2018 Share Posted March 7, 2018 3 minutes ago, Ol Dirty B said: 3.4 ypc... He was not a Pro Bowler last year either, that's irrelevant. You know who else has been to a Pro Bowl? Tyrod. Yeah but, I'm laughing at the comparison of a veteran presence vs. a guy off the street for a backup role, and you're comparing him to Tyrod Taylor for some reason? I'm seriously not following. I'm not banging the drum for Chris Ivory to have some resurgent season and be a household name or anything, I just think he's an upgrade. And I'm fine with the contract considering he's been a consummate professional. We can compare his pay to somebody like Blount, who has clearly worked out, but he's also somebody that punched people in the face while playing college ball so his his pay / professional career has always kind of come at a discount it seems. I think it's a great signing all things considered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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