Reed83HOF Posted March 5, 2018 Author Share Posted March 5, 2018 1 minute ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: It’s not aweful if they offered a second but refused to go higher. That’s about the right price for a bridge Would rather use the 2 to trade up and get a QB...Foles would have been a good bridge... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted March 5, 2018 Share Posted March 5, 2018 2 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said: Would rather use the 2 to trade up and get a QB...Foles would have been a good bridge... Even if they draft Darnold, Rosen and Allen... they still need a guy who can start next year. If your rook goes all Russell Wilson in camp then so be it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan4 Posted March 5, 2018 Share Posted March 5, 2018 2 hours ago, Boatdrinks said: I wouldn't advocate giving up a first. I think he goes for less than that. As for playcalling, do we know that the Bills coaches are incapable of building a system around what a guy CAN do well? They have Tyrod Taylor. Doesn't shock me they want to run first and hold their breath when it's time to pass. We know what Foles did in the SB. Can you envision plugging in Tyrod to that game and seeing him do ANY PART of what Foles did? I can't. I'd be perfectly happy replacing Taylor with Foles if the cost were right. But not for a 1st +. As as far as Daboll building a system around what our guys do well, I have very high hopes that is what he will do. It appears that was something Beane and McDermott were specifically looking for in a new OC, and it's something Daboll has said will be a focus. But looking at Daboll's track record (as well as the way McDermott coached last season) makes me think we will still be a run centered team. It's hard to know for sure though because he's had crap for QBs pretty much wherever he's been. He does have a pretty varied run scheme - kind of reminds me of Greg Roman in that regard. He has consistently improved the run game of whatever team he's been an OC for, and it seems to be something he's focused on in the past. Where as his passing offenses have been near the bottom of the NFL (again likely due mainly to his QBs). That could all change if he gets a good passing QB though. Mainly for me it just boils down to me not thinking Foles is worth the asking price. Id much rather use a 1st + more on a rookie QB with a much higher ceiling in th draft. It's a gamble but if it pays off we are set. I want to take a shot on a QB with elite potential. Id be happy with Foles as a bridge QB though if we can get him for a mid round pick, but I'm guessing some team that misses out in free agency could panic and pay more for him. I don't really want that to be us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted March 5, 2018 Author Share Posted March 5, 2018 3 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: Even if they draft Darnold, Rosen and Allen... they still need a guy who can start next year. If your rook goes all Russell Wilson in camp then so be it... Darnold needs a little time, Rosen can start, Allen scares the hell out of me - but man that arm... I would look for someone who can study film and teach the rook - Fitzy would work, as would McCown - neither will cost me a draft choice that I can use to move up Andrew BrandtVerified account @AndrewBrandt 2m2 minutes ago Like Bradford, best offer will not be in March but in August after a training camp injury. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26TrapDraw Posted March 5, 2018 Share Posted March 5, 2018 1 hour ago, KelsaysLunchbox said: True, and none have had an opportunity. Lets not judge a fish on his ability to climb a tree. Most of those same names all have the opportunity to far exceed Nick Foles. There's a heck of a reward. Nick Foles is the ugly girl in the bar, who you know you can take home and I even heard she makes a decent pancake. We should settle on that right? That "10" that walked in? Haven't heard about her pancake skills...so no need to chase that. Why risk a bad ? I've heard Daboll does well adapting the offense to his team. I have to think Daboll may like that Jackson has experience in the E-P offense. Ultimately Beane did say he wasn't basing the decision on who fits the offense because Daboll could be gone in a year or two "as a HC himself". Very Confucius of you. Here's another: Man goes to bed with itchy butt he wake up with smelly fingers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted March 5, 2018 Share Posted March 5, 2018 22 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: No doubt! I would think 1 first and 1 or 2 seconds, or a 1st, a 2nd and a player Although I like Foles, I see trading for Foles as the worst of both worlds. If we trade our draft for a QB, we can fill out the roster with FA. If we sign a FA QB, we can fill our roster with draft picks. If we trade our draft for a QB then pay the big bucks to resign him, I'm not sure what we do to fill our roster. Hope we have a great eye for cuts and UDFA I guess. I don't think anyone will give up that much for him, so either lower the asking price, or take your 2020 comp pick i guess. 2 hours ago, whatdrought said: Right, but that's a cheap year to discover if he is worth the money. With Keenum you pay the money right now. Typically when the idea of trading Foles is brought up it's included with the statement that the Eagles really like Nate Sudfield. Who knows if that's accurate, but that is a big factor. Yeah, but you lose assets trading for him. Keenum costs you nothing from a draft pick stand point, except maybe a comp pick if you qualify. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kemp2Warlick Posted March 5, 2018 Share Posted March 5, 2018 I'd give a 1st and 4th for Foles in a heartbeat... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted March 5, 2018 Share Posted March 5, 2018 I sure hope it is not us. I don't hate Nick Foles. I thought we could have made a run at him when he was.... you know.... free. A 1st and a 4th?? Not a chance. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted March 5, 2018 Share Posted March 5, 2018 Just now, Reed83HOF said: Darnold needs a little time, Rosen can start, Allen scares the hell out of me - but man that arm... I would look for someone who can study film and teach the rook - Fitzy would work, as would McCown - neither will cost me a draft choice that I can use to move up Fitzy? What’s he teaching anyone? Microeconomics and how throw interceptions down the left sideline routinely? No thx. foles in an intriguing bridge because: -he’s won a super bowl -threw for almost 1000 yds in 3 playoff games -he’s on the right side of 30 - he may have trade value once the rook no longer looks like a rook - can probably stretch him into a second season if needed -because it would be better than the two referenced above and TT, imo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted March 5, 2018 Author Share Posted March 5, 2018 3 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: Fitzy? What’s he teaching anyone? Microeconomics and how throw interceptions down the left sideline routinely? No thx. foles in an intriguing bridge because: -he’s won a super bowl -threw for almost 1000 yds in 3 playoff games -he’s on the right side of 30 - he may have trade value once the rook no longer looks like a rook - can probably stretch him into a second season if needed -because it would be better than the two referenced above and TT, imo Microeconomics that is great!! Fitzy knew what to do, he just doesn't have the physical gifts to make the play...You need a vet to teach the rook the things the coaches won't. Fitz was a great teammate and leader that the team loved, he knew how to study film and prepare himself for the games. He just physically couldn't perform at a starter's level... I get the intrigue with Foles, I really do and liked him as a FA. I just don't want to pony up what it will cost to get him, especially if it is at the expense of getting our guy.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 5, 2018 Share Posted March 5, 2018 19 minutes ago, dneveu said: I don't think anyone will give up that much for him, so either lower the asking price, or take your 2020 comp pick i guess. I don't think the Eagles intend to lower their asking price - I think the point is they are not really asking, they consider him to have high value to their team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted March 5, 2018 Share Posted March 5, 2018 3 hours ago, Reed83HOF said: Actually if you look back, we more or less stopped going after QBs after Donahoe was gone. I will give TD that, he did make moves to attempt to address it. Once Marv replaced him we went the cheap route (not talented). EJ was the only shot after 2004 before EJ... Yeah it may be changing, but the rules still favor the QB. PHI & LAR did not have great rosters until they got a QB. PHI got in a good position for the post-season because of Wentz. the Rams only got better because of Goff. QBs elevate talent around them. A full season of Foles would not have had the same rate of success, as Wentz... 2001: Tom Brady, Patriots. 2002: Rich Gannon, Raiders. 2003: Tom Brady, Patriots. 2004: Tom Brady, Patriots. 2005: Ben Roethlisberger, Steelers. 2006: Peyton Manning, Colts. 2007: Tom Brady, Patriots. 2008: Ben Roethlisberger, Steelers. 2009: Peyton Manning, Colts. 2010: Ben Roethlisberger, Steelers. 2011: Tom Brady, Patriots. 2012: Joe Flacco, Ravens. 2013: Peyton Manning, Broncos. 2014: Tom Brady, Patriots. 2015: Peyton Manning, Broncos. 2016: Brady 2017: Brady You are talking about Tom Brady and Peyton Manning, the GOAT and runner up GOAT. It was a fluke. Show what the NFC QBs were in the same time frame and you will see reality. The QBs in this draft are NOT going to be Brady or Peyton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 5, 2018 Share Posted March 5, 2018 11 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: foles in an intriguing bridge because: -he’s won a super bowl -threw for almost 1000 yds in 3 playoff games -he’s on the right side of 30 - he may have trade value once the rook no longer looks like a rook - can probably stretch him into a second season if needed -because it would be better than the two referenced above and TT, imo I don't think Foles sees himself as a bridge guy, either Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted March 5, 2018 Share Posted March 5, 2018 3 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said: Microeconomics that is great!! Fitzy knew what to do, he just doesn't have the physical gifts to make the play...You need a vet to teach the rook the things the coaches won't. Fitz was a great teammate and leader that the team loved, he knew how to study film and prepare himself for the games. He just physically couldn't perform at a starter's level... I get the intrigue with Foles, I really do and liked him as a FA. I just don't want to pony up what it will cost to get him, especially if it is at the expense of getting our guy.... Mom with looking at some other FA- I’m not in on the narrative about fitz being a good qb mentor, at least at this time, as I think he still believes he can be an nfl starter and carries that chip on his shoulder. Also that pickspatrick thing wasn’t just a rag arm thing. He made poor decisions frequently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted March 5, 2018 Author Share Posted March 5, 2018 (edited) 9 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said: You are talking about Tom Brady and Peyton Manning, the GOAT and runner up GOAT. It was a fluke. Show what the NFC QBs were in the same time frame and you will see reality. The QBs in this draft are NOT going to be Brady or Peyton. The SB winning QBs from the NFC during this time period are Brad Johnson, Brees, Rodgers, Manning, Wilson and Foles. Foles & Johnson are the only 2 non-franchise guys. That's 2 wins out of 17 tries. Beane is on record saying: "It's a quarterback league. I mean, who are we kidding?" Beane said. "If you look at the playoffs teams, the consistent guys that at least qualify for the playoffs or are close every year, most of them have QBs, most of them have a legit quarterback. If you want to use the word franchise, whatever word you want to use, so I understand that. Cam in Carolina was, is, a franchise quarterback. If you're a GM, you have to find a franchise quarterback. It obviously helps keep you on a consistent playing field if you have one, so I get that." Edited March 5, 2018 by Reed83HOF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted March 5, 2018 Share Posted March 5, 2018 List of NFC Super Bowl QBs 2001 Kurt Warner St. Louis Rams 2002 Brad Johnson Tampa Bay Buccaneers 2003 Jake Delhomme Carolina Panthers 2004 Donovan McNabb Philadelphia Eagles 2005 Matt Hasselbeck Seattle Seahawks 2006 Rex Grossman Chicago Bears 2007 Eli Manning New York Giants 2008 Kurt Warner Arizona Cardinals 2009 Drew Brees New Orleans Saints 2010 Aaron Rodgers Green Bay Packers 2011 Eli Manning New York Giants 2012 Colin Kaepernick San Francisco 49ers 2013 Russell Wilson Seattle Seahawks 2014 Russell Wilson Seattle Seahawks 2015 Cam Newton Carolina Panthers 2016 Matt Ryan Atlanta Falcons 2017 Nick Foles Philadelphia Eagles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted March 5, 2018 Share Posted March 5, 2018 ...the guy was ready to throw in the towel and retire, assuming his career was not going as he had planned......"one last hurrah' and he signs with Eagles....twisted fate when Wentz goes down and the kid earns the Lombardi....just wonder what would happen if a club traded a 1st and 4th and he was subjected to "speed bumps" ala back to back years with bno playoffs....does his interest again wane where he ponders retirement?.....a different twist and we'll never know what he may do in that scenario....regardless a 1st and 4th is too tall a tariff IMO....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRebound Posted March 5, 2018 Share Posted March 5, 2018 Its a buyers market when it comes to QB's. Can't remember there ever being this many free agent QB's available who can play in addition to as many as 5 guys in the draft with 1st round grades. I highly doubt anybody's giving up a 1st rounder for Foles. There's always a high demand for QB's but never this much supply. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted March 5, 2018 Author Share Posted March 5, 2018 13 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said: List of NFC Super Bowl QBs 2001 Kurt Warner St. Louis Rams 2002 Brad Johnson Tampa Bay Buccaneers 2003 Jake Delhomme Carolina Panthers 2004 Donovan McNabb Philadelphia Eagles 2005 Matt Hasselbeck Seattle Seahawks 2006 Rex Grossman Chicago Bears 2007 Eli Manning New York Giants 2008 Kurt Warner Arizona Cardinals 2009 Drew Brees New Orleans Saints 2010 Aaron Rodgers Green Bay Packers 2011 Eli Manning New York Giants 2012 Colin Kaepernick San Francisco 49ers 2013 Russell Wilson Seattle Seahawks 2014 Russell Wilson Seattle Seahawks 2015 Cam Newton Carolina Panthers 2016 Matt Ryan Atlanta Falcons 2017 Nick Foles Philadelphia Eagles Look at the NFC Superbowl Winners: Warner, Johnson, Manning, Brees, Rodgers, Wilson, Foles...Only Johnson & Foles 2 out of 17 = not good enough Look at the AFC Superbowl Winners: Brady, Flacco, Peyton, Big Ben HOF'ers Peyton = Eli, Warner, Brady, Brees, Rodgers, Big Ben, Peyton = 14 rings Possible HOF'ers = Wilson = 1 ring Not HOF'ers= Flacco, Johnson & Foles= 2 rings 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted March 5, 2018 Share Posted March 5, 2018 And of those 14 rings, 5 of the seven QBs were not top ten draft picks. Where can the Bills find their guy? Does it need to be a top ten pick? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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