Cardinals owner: We'll be aggressive in finding a QB

[reddogblitz]

9 hours ago, JaCrispy said:

Man, its really amazing how afraid some of you guys sound about trying to upgrade the QB position...well, to each his own, I guess...I just hope our FO doesnt operate out of the same fear, because, to me, trying to upgrade a bottom three passing attack shouldn’t really be making people this hesitant- or at least one would think.

 

You can keep saying that all you want, that I'm afraid  to upgrade the QB position.  Last 2 times we got to 9-7 we immediately dumped our QB (or he dumped us) and we went back in the tank.  No thanks.  I'm 100% for UPGRADING the QB position.

 

But it's gotta be an upgrade.  Somebody we can win with that's not gonna be a science experiment that takes 3 years of losing to complete.  Cousins would be an upgrade I guess. I could go with McCarron due to his play in 2015 and college career.  I don't see any rookie stepping and winning this year with the possible exception of maybe Mayfield.  Certainly not Darnold or Allen or Jackson or Rudolph. Heck to the No for Bradford or McClown or Fitz or Bridgewater.

 

I know yall love to say you don't hit the ones you don't swing at.  True.  But sometimes the one you don't swing at gets you to first.  You steal second.  A ground out sends you to third, and a deep fly ball gets you home.  Pitchers and catchers report today made me think of that.

 

I'm digging this winning thing. Keep the train rolling. 

 

And yes, I do want to win a Super Bowl.

 

 

Edited February 14, 2018 by reddogblitz

[grb]

4 hours ago, Bangarang said:

 

I love these Tyrod debates. People cherry pick a sample size that proves their point. Then people respond with another cherry picked sample size. Both sides think they’re right and it never ends. The bottom line is that Tyrod was both good and bad but isn’t good enough to commit to long term. He’s a mediocre QB who can help a team be mediocre. It’s the worst spot to be in I think.

 

Five points :

• I love these Tyrod debates too. Obviously.
• Of course people cherry pick a sample size that proves their point. Mine covers fifteen games - almost the equivalent of an entire season - is spread over two years, and happens to be the only time the Buffalo Bills organization put a real Number One & Two receiver on the field with Taylor. If yer gonna "cherry-pick", that seems a pretty relevant place to start, don't ya think?
• And yet when he had two legit NFL receivers he wasn't "mediocre", was he? We've come full circle : Me providing evidence which you studiously ignore.
• Of course you're not even a top-ten offender. I love people who say Taylor refuses to throw downfield, ignoring the friggin 8.25 ypa when he actually had a real Number One target to throw to
• Unless The Bills manage to significantly upgrade their receivers, offensive line, back-up runners, and scheme, you might want to get ready for more "mediocre" QBs to come. There's always tomorrow for dreams to come true, eh?

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

1 minute ago, reddogblitz said:

  I'm 100% for UPGRADING the QB position.

 

the list :  

• Foles
• Cousins
• Keenum
• Fitz

[reddogblitz]

Just now, ShadyBillsFan said:

the list :  

• Foles
• Cousins
• Keenum
• Fitz

 

 

Shirley, you can't be serious.  The others, yeah.  Good luck.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

1 minute ago, reddogblitz said:

 

 

Shirley, you can't be serious.  The others, yeah.  Good luck.

 

busted..... 

 

 I put it up because I read someone else say that recently.   

[Bangarang]

1 hour ago, grb said:

 

Five points :

• I love these Tyrod debates too. Obviously.
• Of course people cherry pick a sample size that proves their point. Mine covers fifteen games - almost the equivalent of an entire season - is spread over two years, and happens to be the only time the Buffalo Bills organization put a real Number One & Two receiver on the field with Taylor. If yer gonna "cherry-pick", that seems a pretty relevant place to start, don't ya think?
• And yet when he had two legit NFL receivers he wasn't "mediocre", was he? We've come full circle : Me providing evidence which you studiously ignore.
• Of course you're not even a top-ten offender. I love people who say Taylor refuses to throw downfield, ignoring the friggin 8.25 ypa when he actually had a real Number One target to throw to
• Unless The Bills manage to significantly upgrade their receivers, offensive line, back-up runners, and scheme, you might want to get ready for more "mediocre" QBs to come. There's always tomorrow for dreams to come true, eh?

 

I didn’t ignore any “evidence” you posted. Frankly, I don’t care at this point for these Tyrod discussions. They are boring and everything has been beaten to death. The reality of this entire situation is that Tyrod is not good enough. Put whatever qualifiers you want to try and refute that but at the end of the day, we’ve consistently had one of the worst passing offenses in the league with him as our starter and by all accounts this new staff is electing to take the much more difficult route of looking for a different QB rather than putting more weapons around what they already have. That alone should tell you something. Never mind the fact that he was benched amidst a push for the playoffs for a 5th round rookie. But you go ahead and remind everyone for the umpteeth time what his stats were with Watkins and Woods together as if it got us anywhere. I’ve said my peace and I’m done. I hate myself for getting sucked into another Tyrod debate. 

[reddogblitz]

19 minutes ago, Bangarang said:

by all accounts this new staff is electing to take the much more difficult route of looking for a different QB rather than putting more weapons around what they already have.

 

Whatever QB we go with next year, the new staff had better seriously upgrade at WR and OLine to give the QB a better chance to win.  Or expect more offensive problems.

[OldTimer1960]

On 2/13/2018 at 2:05 PM, JohnBonhamRocks said:

 

Agreed, and I'm not saying anyone in particular, but I've seen over and over on this board people say that there is no way we could get anything for him, an opinion with which I strongly disagree. 

I don’t think Taylor is “trash”, but he is,at best, a marginal starter who is not being paid top-tier $, but more than marginal starter/backup money.  

 

I will be pleasantly surprised if they can trade him for a 5th round pick.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

This is not a TT thread. 

This is not a WR thread. 

 

 

It it is a thread about how aggressive the Arizona Cardinals will be in a pursuit of a QB.  

 

The only reason TT should be mentioned is if people think he would be a good fit for them.   

[Teddy KGB]

59 minutes ago, reddogblitz said:

 

Whatever QB we go with next year, the new staff had better seriously upgrade at WR and OLine to give the QB a better chance to win.  Or expect more offensive problems.

 

Oline ranked 2nd.     Don’t blame them. 

[Bangarang]

1 hour ago, reddogblitz said:

 

Whatever QB we go with next year, the new staff had better seriously upgrade at WR and OLine to give the QB a better chance to win.  Or expect more offensive problems.

 

I think some of th we conplaints are overblown simply because of who we had at QB. We have Shady, KB and Clay as reliable options as well as a hopefully improved Zay Jones. We could certainly get better though. As far as the o-line, I think Groy will fill in nicely while the right side could definitely use some help.

[reddogblitz]

Just now, Bangarang said:

 

I think some of th we conplaints are overblown simply because of who we had at QB. We have Shady, KB and Clay as reliable options as well as a hopefully improved Zay Jones. We could certainly get better though. As far as the o-line, I think Groy will fill in nicely while the right side could definitely use some help.

 

1/2 of Hotrod's picks this year bounced off of Clay's hands.  the OLine didn't have any better luck protecting Nasty Nate than they did Hotrod.  Shady's ypc was down 1.4 from 2016.  Blocking (or lack thereof) played a big role in this.

 

Dumping Hotrod fixes all this though.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

Arizona please 

 

 

If the Cards were to pursue TT he would have a top notch WR to pass too. 

And IIRC a decent defense.  

11 minutes ago, reddogblitz said:

 

1/2 of Hotrod's picks this year bounced off of Clay's hands.  the OLine didn't have any better luck protecting Nasty Nate than they did Hotrod.  Shady's ypc was down 1.4 from 2016.  Blocking (or lack thereof) played a big role in this.

 

Dumping Hotrod fixes all this though.

So 2.... 

[reddogblitz]

Just now, ShadyBillsFan said:

 

So 2.... 

 

Is that a bad thing?

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

Is it?  An int caused by a receiver bumbling a catch....  

 

whos fault is is it really?  

 

How my bobbled passes in the Chargers game?  

Edited February 14, 2018 by ShadyBillsFan

[stinky finger]

On 2/13/2018 at 1:44 PM, joesixpack said:

Cousins is gonna get PAID.

 

I'm thinking 120m for 4 years.

 

 

As long as it isn't Buffalo.

[Bangarang]

4 hours ago, reddogblitz said:

Dumping Hotrod fixes all this though.

 

As long as you understand that. 

[JohnBonhamRocks]

18 hours ago, OldTimer1960 said:

I don’t think Taylor is “trash”, but he is,at best, a marginal starter who is not being paid top-tier $, but more than marginal starter/backup money.  

 

I will be pleasantly surprised if they can trade him for a 5th round pick.

 

Agreed on marginal starter. I think he is being paid about what he is worth though, given how inflated the QB market is becoming (Garoppolo and Cousins). Maybe it'll be more like a 6th or 7th, but I think a team will give up something for Taylor. We should be able to move him for some value, whether it be a late round pick or maybe a player who is on the outs for that team. 

 

17 hours ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

This is not a TT thread. 

This is not a WR thread. 

 

 

It it is a thread about how aggressive the Arizona Cardinals will be in a pursuit of a QB.  

 

The only reason TT should be mentioned is if people think he would be a good fit for them.   

 

That is why he's being mentioned.

 

He's a Bills QB on the trading block being discussed in a thread about a team that needs QBs...

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

5 minutes ago, JohnBonhamRocks said:

That is why he's being mentioned.

 

He's a Bills QB on the trading block being discussed in a thread about a team that needs QBs...

there are also 5 or 6 other (more than likely) better options to discus as well 

[JohnBonhamRocks]

50 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

there are also 5 or 6 other (more than likely) better options to discus as well 

 

Bills QBs for the Cardinals to pursue?

 

Or teams to which the Bills could trade Taylor?

 

Because then the answers would be, respectively, Peterman & Webb and why discuss other teams in a thread about the Cardinals QBs or lack thereof?

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

21 minutes ago, JohnBonhamRocks said:

 

Bills QBs for the Cardinals to pursue?

 

Or teams to which the Bills could trade Taylor?

 

Because then the answers would be, respectively, Peterman & Webb and why discuss other teams in a thread about the Cardinals QBs or lack thereof?

ANY QB for the Cards to pursue.   Cousins,  Keenum, Bridgewater etc  

 

The Bills trade TT is in a different thread.   

[JohnBonhamRocks]

3 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

ANY QB for the Cards to pursue.   Cousins,  Keenum, Bridgewater etc  

 

The Bills trade TT is in a different thread.   

 

I'd agree if this were a Cardinals board. 

 

Given that it is a Bills board, I think talking about any thread topic in the context of how it might affect the Bills is more than reasonable. 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

12 minutes ago, JohnBonhamRocks said:

 

I'd agree if this were a Cardinals board. 

 

Given that it is a Bills board, I think talking about any thread topic in the context of how it might affect the Bills is more than reasonable. 

This is a message board open to all and nost every subject (as long as  it is created in the proper area).   

 

The topic I created was to focus on the Cardinal owners pursuit of a QB, which could be a conflict if the Bills FO chooses to go after the same guy. 

[DaBillsFanSince1973]

19 minutes ago, JohnBonhamRocks said:

 

I'd agree if this were a Cardinals board. 

 

Given that it is a Bills board, I think talking about any thread topic in the context of how it might affect the Bills is more than reasonable. 

 

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[Thurman#1]

On 2/14/2018 at 5:02 AM, grb said:

 

Funny how Taylor's intelligence was so much higher when the Bills had real NFL talent at wide receiver on the field :

The result whenever he had Woods and Watkins playing :  63.6% comp. 8.25 YPA. 27 TD passes. 6 INTs

Wanna process that information? You can take your time.........

 

 

 

 

Those stats came from 15 games. 10 of those games were from his first year when teams hadn't yet figured out how to defense him.

 

And the five games from last year were against teams that ranked - I'm doing this from memories of a day or two ago so I may be off a spot or two but not by much - in defensive passer rating 14th, 15th, 17th, 30th and 31st. They were not good pass defences.

Edited February 15, 2018 by Thurman#1

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

3 minutes ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

Those stats came from 15 games. 10 of those games were from his first year when teams hadn't yet figured out how to defense him.

 

And the five games from last year were against teams that ranked - I'm doing this from memories of a day or two ago so I may be off a spot or two but not by much - in defensive passer rating 14th, 15th, 17th, 30th and 31st. They were not good pass defences.

 

Which is why after his best season Roman was fired, as well as the two subsequent OC's after.     If it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck it must be a duck.  

 

[JohnBonhamRocks]

23 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

This is a message board open to all and nost every subject (as long as  it is created in the proper area).   

 

The topic I created was to focus on the Cardinal owners pursuit of a QB, which could be a conflict if the Bills FO chooses to go after the same guy. 

 

18 minutes ago, DaBillsFanSince1973 said:

 

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I'm gonna hang it up after this post, but:

 

(1) if the Cardinals pursue a QB, it could very well be Taylor (as you said in a prior post, "ANY QB for the Cards to pursue"), and

 

(2) "Discussing the Buffalo Bills and the NFL", right, so I think discussing both Taylor and the Cardinals in a thread should not be chastised. It's not "Discussing the Buffalo Bills or the NFL". 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

2 minutes ago, JohnBonhamRocks said:

 

 

I'm gonna hang it up after this post, but:

 

(1) if the Cardinals pursue a QB, it could very well be Taylor (as you said in a prior post, "ANY QB for the Cards to pursue"), and

 

(2) "Discussing the Buffalo Bills and the NFL", right, so I think discussing both Taylor and the Cardinals in a thread should not be chastised. It's not "Discussing the Buffalo Bills or the NFL". 

(1)  correct. 

(2)  agree to disagree

 

I think you missed the point of my comments .   Nitpicking TTs' stats is ongoing is many threads  

trying to avoid that here 

Edited February 15, 2018 by ShadyBillsFan

[Stank_Nasty]

41 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

 

Which is why after his best season Roman was fired, as well as the two subsequent OC's after.     If it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck it must be a duck.  

 

why do a handful of you guys do this? don't you see how it looks sorta lame when you try and say lynn got fired? the dudes work with the offense is basically what got him a head coaching gig. being overly technical and saying he got fired to prove a point against tyrod is honestly sorta foolish. I dunno how you cant see how lame it is to do that all for the sake of trying confirm an argument against the qb. 16's offense scored points. hands down. it was a good unit. taylor directly impacted that with his arm and legs. they did a good job of scoring points..... and that basically got lynn a HC job. don't pretend that taylor got lynn canned. that's a bit ridiculous wouldn't you say?

Edited February 15, 2018 by Stank_Nasty

[Freddie's Dead]

On 2/13/2018 at 2:03 PM, JaCrispy said:

Taylor is not trash- he simply cannot process information fast enough to be great...because he has all the tools, except for where it counts most imo.

Disagree.  He processes the info, but he won't put the ball into tight spaces.  He's just too conservative and risk-averse.

[Stank_Nasty]

1 minute ago, Freddie's Dead said:

Disagree.  He processes the info, but he won't put the ball into tight spaces.  He's just too conservative and risk-averse.

well regardless of the reason for it. its a huge issue and likely the one that keeps him from ever being more than what he is.... which will be a stop-gap qb for another one or 2 franchises.

 

I thought he did a solid job in buffalo considering the circumstances but now its time to move on.... I really hope he goes to team like Arizona. I think they could win 9-11 games with him. heck, they went 5-4 to finish out he season last year with gabbert and Stanton at qb and no david Johnson. 

[JaCrispy]

16 minutes ago, Freddie's Dead said:

Disagree.  He processes the info, but he won't put the ball into tight spaces.  He's just too conservative and risk-averse.

Perhaps 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

43 minutes ago, Stank_Nasty said:

why do a handful of you guys do this? don't you see how it looks sorta lame when you try and say lynn got fired? the dudes work with the offense is basically what got him a head coaching gig. being overly technical and saying he got fired to prove a point against tyrod is honestly sorta foolish. I dunno how you cant see how lame it is to do that all for the sake of trying confirm an argument against the qb. 16's offense scored points. hands down. it was a good unit. taylor directly impacted that with his arm and legs. they did a good job of scoring points..... and that basically got lynn a HC job. don't pretend that taylor got lynn canned. that's a bit ridiculous wouldn't you say?

I could have made the comment  read like this  >> 

• Which is why after his best season Roman was fired, then the 2nd OC / Temporary HC  failed to remain in consideration of the HC position and the subsequent OC's after the next HC was hired also go fired) 

To be fail, I will revisit my post

1. TT's best season was with Roman (before defenses figured him out).  
2. Wrex Ryan then fired Roman 2 games into his second season after TT started and led the team to an 0-2 record. 
   • Q:   Had A Lynn excelled with TT, what do you think his chances would have been of getting promoted / hired as HC?   Be honest. 
3. Year 3 and Rico's "poor" play calling led to yet another meh season wrt the production of the passing game.

Secondary points of season # 2 and # 3.

We all heard the pundits and opponents say :

• The key to beating the Bills is to stop the run 
• The key to beating the Bills is to "Make Tyrod a QB"  (we heard 2 straight weeks by the opponents defensive player(s)) 

 

Was that fair enough?  

[Stank_Nasty]

29 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

.  

1. Wrex Ryan then fired Roman 2 games into his second season after TT started and led the team to an 0-2 record. 
   •  

 

 

wait just a damned minute. your hypocrisy is one of the main reason we butt heads so much... the other day you cited a bad passer rating in a handful of games as one of many reasons we need to move on from taylor but all year you narrative was that passer rating means nothing.... 

 

and now you state he "led the team" to an 0-2 start but when the team wins and makes the playoffs its in spite of him..... this right here is ridiculous. so its only a team sport if they are winning. apparently when he's losing its on his shoulders... and passer rating means nothing when his are good, but when you need to try and prove a point you say he "led" them to an 0-2 record and use horrific passer ratings to try and push the narrative.

 

good lord dude. come on man!

Edited February 15, 2018 by Stank_Nasty

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

big sigh

 

There are many many many reasons why.   Shall I compile a complete list and save it so that I can paste the numerous items every time?  

 

He led the team to an 0-2 start in 2016.  Did I misspell or use the improper term for the guy who leads a team?   you know the leader of the offense

 

Week 1 was a 7-13 loss to the Ravens

Week 2 was a 31-37  loss to the Fitzpatrick led JETS  on TNF in Buffalo.   No Travel days to screw the Bills over either.   He was outgunned by Fitz, 

• His first (and possibly his only) 300 yard passing performance in regulation 

Question :  How many games has TT won when he has passed for over 300 250 yards? (to be fair I went with 250) 

Answer:     TW0  out of 10 times in 3 seasons and 47 starts.

Question :  How many games has TT won when he has passed for over 30 times in a game (iirc)  

Answer:     THREE  16 occurrences in 3 seasons and 47 starts.

Question :  How many games has TT had a game winning drive? 

Answer:     FOUR  in 3 seasons and 47 starts.

Question :  How many  uncatchable balls does TT throw per game?  in 47 starts.

Answer:    over 20% 

Question :  How many  times per game does TT hold the ball too long?  in 47 starts.

Answer:    a lot  (maybe Transplant can count them for you)   

Question :  How many  times per game does TT abort from a pass play to a run play?  in 47 starts.

Answer:    a lot (maybe Transplant can count them for you) 

 

 

Oh the answer to TT best game - 307 passing yards on TNF against the JETS.  

I'll keep searching for more 

 

How many  times per game has TT missed open receivers?

Too many

How many  times per game has TT  waited for the receiver to stop stock still?

Too many

 

To make this easier to find in a search Tyrod Taylor's faults aka miseries  

 

 

Edited February 15, 2018 by ShadyBillsFan

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

Fitzgerald to return for 15th season with Cards

Fitzgerald, who will turn 35 on Aug. 31, will enter the season with a chance to reach second on the NFL's all-time receiving yards and receptions lists.

 

On NFL Network's Super Bowl pregame show, Fitzgerald was asked whether he was ready to play for Wilks, who will be his fourth head coach.

 

"I'm excited about what the future holds," Fitzgerald said. "Obviously there's some things that need to happen in terms of personnel, draft and things like that to help our team improve, but I'm confident that [general manager] Steve Keim and his group are going to do a good job with that."

[MrEpsYtown]

I like Teddy Bridgewater to the Cardinals. I think he is a nice fit for the intermediate passing game and can get the ball to Larry Fitzgerald. Plus he looks pretty good with a Cardinal on the side of his helmet.  

 

Keenum makes some sense as well but I think he ultimately goes back to Minnesota. In that same vein, I could see Bradford being the quarterback of choice here. I think they go the vet route with Fitz in the twilight of his career. Teddy is still young and gives them a chance to play for now and the future. Lastly, if Andrew Luck is healthy, I could see them trying to make a trade for Jacoby Brissett  

 

Making a play for Tyrod would just completely waste Fitzgerald's last year. It won't happen. 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

Interesting take of Jacoby Brissett ......   

[Stank_Nasty]

1 hour ago, MrEpsYtown said:

I like Teddy Bridgewater to the Cardinals. I think he is a nice fit for the intermediate passing game and can get the ball to Larry Fitzgerald. Plus he looks pretty good with a Cardinal on the side of his helmet.  

 

Keenum makes some sense as well but I think he ultimately goes back to Minnesota. In that same vein, I could see Bradford being the quarterback of choice here. I think they go the vet route with Fitz in the twilight of his career. Teddy is still young and gives them a chance to play for now and the future. Lastly, if Andrew Luck is healthy, I could see them trying to make a trade for Jacoby Brissett  

 

Making a play for Tyrod would just completely waste Fitzgerald's last year. It won't happen. 

 

1 hour ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

Interesting take of Jacoby Brissett ......   

the interesting part is thinking taylor would be wasting a players season but brissett wouldn't..... Hilton had 4 straight 1000 yd seasons and then brissett came into the mix this year.... if i'm fitz i'm not overly enthused with either player

 

I guess i'm just being nit picky for the sake of it though.... I don't really care too much. lol.... that just struck me as odd.

Edited February 16, 2018 by Stank_Nasty

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

11 minutes ago, Stank_Nasty said:

 

the interesting part is thinking taylor would be wasting a players season but brissett wouldn't..... Hilton had 4 straight 1000 yd seasons and then brissett came into the mix this year.... if i'm fitz i'm not overly enthused with either player

 

really shows me how skewed peoples views are around here.

Oh come on man.  You are reaching for Tyrod Hate crap that is not there.   You are reading things that don't exist.  Like a paranoia 

 

All I said was     interesting ......     I never claimed it was good or bad.   It was an "option" no one had mentioned before.  

 

So......   No comments on my list?   Do I need to add or subtract from it?         (that means I'm joking with you) 

That is the idea here ....  get a conversation going instead of arguments 

 

IMHO.   Jacoby Brissett hasn't done much to prove he's good.  (or that he totally sucks even though it's not looking great) 

 

I 'll even say similar for Jimmy G.   He hasn't done much to prove he's truly good.

Edited February 16, 2018 by ShadyBillsFan