Ittakestime Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 1 minute ago, Kirby Jackson said: That is what an analytics department is. They drill down and hand you the data. The coaching staff needs to understand it to build their game plans. I will use a baseball example that is the simplest, “the pitcher that we face tomorrow has thrown 1st pitch fastballs 80% of the time.” You know that going in and adjust accordingly. The best mind in baseball is Theo Epstein. The best mind in basketball is Daryl Morey. Those guys weren’t athletes at all. They are number’s geniuses and icons at the Sloan Conference. Football is just late to the party (as usual). We don't have an analytic department right now. Hence what I said earlier. I'm not going to argue with you. I know exactly what analytics are and how they are used. You are talking like it is rocket science and you are the only one that knows it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 1 minute ago, Ittakestime said: We don't have an analytic department right now. Hence what I said earlier. I'm not going to argue with you. I know exactly what analytics are and how they are used. You are talking like it is rocket science and you are the only one that knows it. Not at all. The only point I am making is that it matters ZERO if the analytics people are football people or not. It matters that they are numbers people. A generation of nerds has grown up to want to be the next Daryl Morey. Those are the guys that you hire for the analytics department. You pull guys from MIT and Harvard. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 I like the continuity possibility from The two working together at Bama. As others have stated analytics is all about establishing patterns. Using the patterns to exploit tendencies by another coach. I think it would help if you have two guys who are looking for and speaking the same language. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 7 minutes ago, atlbillsfan1975 said: I like the continuity possibility from The two working together at Bama. As others have stated analytics is all about establishing patterns. Using the patterns to exploit tendencies by another coach. I think it would help if you have two guys who are looking for and speaking the same language. Not Bad 75. likely is about mindset and similar vision. I do like this, in theory. Go Bills ! Is Castillo still on the team... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cripple Creek Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 3 hours ago, Doc Brown said: Any chance McDermott is an Auburn fan? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 1 hour ago, Kirby Jackson said: Not at all. The only point I am making is that it matters ZERO if the analytics people are football people or not. It matters that they are numbers people. A generation of nerds has grown up to want to be the next Daryl Morey. Those are the guys that you hire for the analytics department. You pull guys from MIT and Harvard. So spreadsheets win games ???? mind blown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Joshin' Posted February 11, 2018 Share Posted February 11, 2018 1 hour ago, Kirby Jackson said: Not at all. The only point I am making is that it matters ZERO if the analytics people are football people or not. It matters that they are numbers people. A generation of nerds has grown up to want to be the next Daryl Morey. Those are the guys that you hire for the analytics department. You pull guys from MIT and Harvard. I think there is a place for analytics in football - when combined with a good coach. The problem IMO is that there are too many variables to isolate to get a firm direction. This is why analytics combined with traditional should be a good marriage. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted February 11, 2018 Share Posted February 11, 2018 (edited) 28 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said: So spreadsheets win games ???? mind blown Not sure how you got that out of that post? Analytics departments are built with analysts. It works the same way in sports as it does at UPS. 12 minutes ago, Dalton said: I think there is a place for analytics in football - when combined with a good coach. The problem IMO is that there are too many variables to isolate to get a firm direction. This is why analytics combined with traditional should be a good marriage. 100% agree!! So many times people here (tbd) we want black or white, yes or no, either or. It isn’t like that at all. It is a collection of parts and collaboration. It’s shades of gray. Edited February 11, 2018 by Kirby Jackson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#34fan Posted February 11, 2018 Share Posted February 11, 2018 Look, ALL I want from these Bama Staffers are two things: Da'Ron Payne, and Da'Shawn Hand... Da'Ron and Da'Shawn, people.... It's not that hard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted February 11, 2018 Share Posted February 11, 2018 (edited) 29 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: Not sure how you got that out of that post? Analytics departments are built with analysts. It works the same way in sports as it does at UPS. Just joking around. Edited February 11, 2018 by ShadyBillsFan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted February 11, 2018 Share Posted February 11, 2018 2 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said: Just joking around. Never can tell with you Shady. You are always up to something Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted February 11, 2018 Share Posted February 11, 2018 2 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: Never can tell with you Shady. You are always up to something It keeps things interesting. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Doug Posted February 11, 2018 Share Posted February 11, 2018 4 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said: Not at all. The only point I am making is that it matters ZERO if the analytics people are football people or not. It matters that they are numbers people. A generation of nerds has grown up to want to be the next Daryl Morey. Those are the guys that you hire for the analytics department. You pull guys from MIT and Harvard. I think the issue here, and with most analytics, is that they mistakenly go out the window during the heat of a game. I don’t claim to know what’s going through the head of a HC/OC/DC during a game, but I don’t think they are pouring over numbers and scenarios in their heads when making the call. Analytics may be good for coming up with a game plan, but I’m not sure they are used over experience during a game, especially when the other team is making adjustments (which deteriorates a game plan). Maybe it’s best to have someone to remind the coaches on the sidelines? And, yes, they better be great with their numbers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted February 11, 2018 Share Posted February 11, 2018 1 minute ago, Saint Doug said: I think the issue here, and with most analytics, is that they mistakenly go out the window during the heat of a game. I don’t claim to know what’s going through the head of a HC/OC/DC during a game, but I don’t think they are pouring over numbers and scenarios in their heads when making the call. Analytics may be good for coming up with a game plan, but I’m not sure they are used over experience during a game, especially when the other team is making adjustments (which deteriorates a game plan). Maybe it’s best to have someone to remind the coaches on the sidelines? And, yes, they better be great with their numbers. Not with the Eagles. It's an integral part of in-game decision making for Pederson. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted February 11, 2018 Share Posted February 11, 2018 27 minutes ago, Saint Doug said: I think the issue here, and with most analytics, is that they mistakenly go out the window during the heat of a game. I don’t claim to know what’s going through the head of a HC/OC/DC during a game, but I don’t think they are pouring over numbers and scenarios in their heads when making the call. Analytics may be good for coming up with a game plan, but I’m not sure they are used over experience during a game, especially when the other team is making adjustments (which deteriorates a game plan). Maybe it’s best to have someone to remind the coaches on the sidelines? And, yes, they better be great with their numbers. I think that’s fair. I don’t know if you are a Yankees fan or not but the best reports called Girardi “binder boy.” He had so much information to comb through as the bullets started to fly and he couldn’t get the decisions out fast enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted February 11, 2018 Share Posted February 11, 2018 8 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Add to this: it's the position coaches ability to teach and motivate that can make the difference between maximizing performance for talent vs underperforming, the difference between WR who run every route correctly and contend for every pass/inbound catch vs WR who are 70-80% and that's good enough. Talking of WR coaching... how has our guy survived? I get that the talent he had to work with was not great but there were so many badly run routes and guys not hitting their spots. Before you even get to the year "his boy" Zay had. I honestly think he'd have been my first firing.... even before Juan Castillo. And I hate Juan Castillo. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted February 11, 2018 Share Posted February 11, 2018 If the Bills don't win the SEC, I am SO done with this team. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted February 11, 2018 Share Posted February 11, 2018 9 hours ago, GunnerBill said: Talking of WR coaching... how has our guy survived? I get that the talent he had to work with was not great but there were so many badly run routes and guys not hitting their spots. Before you even get to the year "his boy" Zay had. I honestly think he'd have been my first firing.... even before Juan Castillo. And I hate Juan Castillo. I am there also. Since changing OC, I would have liked to see WR and OL coach changes (at least). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted February 11, 2018 Share Posted February 11, 2018 9 hours ago, GunnerBill said: Talking of WR coaching... how has our guy survived? I get that the talent he had to work with was not great but there were so many badly run routes and guys not hitting their spots. Before you even get to the year "his boy" Zay had. I honestly think he'd have been my first firing.... even before Juan Castillo. And I hate Juan Castillo. He clearly was a disaster. To take it a step further they have a quality WR coach on staff, coaching QBs. Slide Culley over to WR and get a QB coach. Let Castillo go and you are in business. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manther Posted February 11, 2018 Share Posted February 11, 2018 19 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said: They own the day-to-day of the group. It’s actually the other way around. The HC is the CEO. It is his vision and motivation that is set but the position coaches are the one’s in the weeds. They are the one’s teaching and working on technique and player development. The coordinators are the one’s calling the plays. Agreed. Teaching is a lost art.....the good coaches are still good teachers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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