Josh McDaniels Withdraws from Colts' HC Job

[JohnC]

Just now, GunnerBill said:

 

No I doubt it too... but we don't know whether there is any wording in the new contract do we?  I think to exempt you from the Rooney Rule it must be contractual.... that is my understanding at least. 

I doubt that Kraft would straitjacket himself with a verbal or even contractual agreement of succession for McDaniels unless there was knowledge that Belichick was soon going to leave. The owner gave McDaniels a raise. We know that. I's sure he told him how valuable he was to the organization and that he would be given serious consideration for the HCing position if it arose. 

 

I read maybe a year or so ago that McDaniels was seeking a more stable family situation in a very vagabond business. At the time there could have been some domestic relation stresses in his life. So it is not surprising that he was ambivalent about taking a promotion and having to move again. That to me is the heart of this issue. And although it is an awkward situation for all parties I have no criticism for what he did. And on the other hand I am not critical of the Colts being upset how this situation worked out. Their irritation is warranted and understandable. Sometimes life get messy in the work world and on the home front. 

[GunnerBill]

3 minutes ago, JohnC said:

I doubt that Kraft would straitjacket himself with a verbal or even contractual agreement of succession for McDaniels unless there was knowledge that Belichick was soon going to leave. The owner gave McDaniels a raise. We know that. I's sure he told him how valuable he was to the organization and that he would be given serious consideration for the HCing position if it arose. 

 

I read maybe a year or so ago that McDaniels was seeking a more stable family situation in a very vagabond business. At the time there could have been some domestic relation stresses in his life. So it is not surprising that he was ambivalent about taking a promotion and having to move again. That to me is the heart of this issue. And although it is an awkward situation for all parties I have no criticism for what he did. And on the other hand I am not critical of the Colts being upset how this situation worked out. Their irritation is warranted and understandable. Sometimes life get messy in the work world and on the home front. 

 

I don't know whether he did or didn't all I was doing was replying to someone who said how can you have a formal succession plan with the Rooney Rule in place.  The answer is if you have a contractual agreement for one of your coaches to succeed your current HC the Rooney Rule does not apply.  

Edited February 8, 2018 by GunnerBill

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

2 minutes ago, JohnC said:

I doubt that Kraft would straitjacket himself with a verbal or even contractual agreement of succession for McDaniels unless there was knowledge that Belichick was soon going to leave. The owner gave McDaniels a raise. We know that. I's sure he told him how valuable he was to the organization and that he would be given serious consideration for the HCing position if it arose. 

 

I read maybe a year or so ago that McDaniels was seeking a more stable family situation in a very vagabond business. At the time there could have been some domestic relation stresses in his life. So it is not surprising that he was ambivalent about taking a promotion and having to move again. That to me is the heart of this issue. And although it is an awkward situation for all parties I have no criticism for what he did. And on the other hand I am not critical of the Colts being upset how this situation worked out. Their irritation is warranted and understandable. Sometimes life get messy in the work world and on the home front. 

 

Bellyache has said he's under contract through 18.     mumble mumble 

maybe it will be his final season as HC 

 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

12 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

How can you say "nothing changed in the last 2 weeks"??? 

 

I think he means "nothing changed in the last 2 weeks with regard to the impact of the move on his family and kids"

 

I agree.

 

[Alphadawg7]

1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I think he means "nothing changed in the last 2 weeks with regard to the impact of the move on his family and kids"

 

I agree.

 

 

No disrespect but that makes no sense.  I mean he got a better offer in that time, that’s what changed, and that offer was  to stay home.  So that does 1 million percent impact his family and kids because that offered allowed them stay in their schools and lives.  

[Hapless Bills Fan]

7 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

No disrespect but that makes no sense.  I mean he got a better offer in that time, that’s what changed, and that offer was  to stay home.  So that does 1 million percent impact his family and kids because that offered allowed them stay in their schools and lives.  

 

The point is, if you're genuinely committed to your family and keeping them in one place, that's not for sale to the highest bidder.

 

If you want to keep your family in one place, do it.  If you have an offer to move your family for a better job but you think it would be bad for your family to move and you want to put your family first, go to your employer and say "I have a better offer, but my preference would be to stay here, before I accept it would you like to work with me?"  Before you accept.

 

Don't tell the new employer "I'm IN!" start hiring staff, then get a better offer and portray yourself as Mr Family First.  That rings of an excuse.  If it's bad for your family to move today, it was bad for them 2 weeks ago.   If "family first" tops other considerations today, where was it two weeks ago?

 

 

Edited February 8, 2018 by Hapless Bills Fan

[Alphadawg7]

7 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

The point is, if you're genuinely committed to your family and keeping them in one place, that's not for sale to the highest bidder.

 

If you want to keep your family in one place, do it.  If you have an offer to move your family for a better job but you think it would be bad for your family to move and you want to put your family first, go to your employer and say "I have a better offer, but my preference would be to stay here, before I accept it would you like to work with me?"  Before you accept.

 

Don't tell the new employer "I'm IN!" start hiring staff, then get a better offer and portray yourself as Mr Family First.  That rings of an excuse.  If it's bad for your family to move today, it was bad for them 2 weeks ago.   If "family first" tops other considerations today, where was it two weeks ago?

 

 

 I get all that, but the problem is that NE didn’t sit him down and offer this until after he accepted.  He made what was what he felt the best decision at the time when Colts offer came in, but a new offer came in that was aggressive and he felt better about hat did not also force him to uproot his family.  

 

People are acting like he flip flopped to another offer he had been considering at the same time.  Timing sucked for sure, but that’s life man.  You deal with decisions when they come in, can’t make decisions on things that don’t exist yet.  Pats came hard late and outsold the Colts for his services.  Certainly helped they knew what was most important to him and made him an offer to appeal to that and it worked. 

 

Anyway, it’s all good.  I see it different...I put family first in all decisions, even when those decisions are tough.  

 

Now F that Deuche bag McDaniels and look forward to watching him fail again when he takes over in NE when BB retires.  

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

3 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 I get all that, but the problem is that NE didn’t sit him down and offer this until after he accepted.  He made what was what he felt the best decision at the time when Colts offer came in, but a new offer came in that was aggressive and he felt better about hat did not also force him to uproot his family.  

 

People are acting like he flip flopped to another offer he had been considering at the same time.  Timing sucked for sure, but that’s life man.  You deal with decisions when they come in, can’t make decisions on things that don’t exist yet.  Pats came hard late and outsold the Colts for his services.  Certainly helped they knew what was most important to him and made him an offer to appeal to that and it worked. 

 

Anyway, it’s all good.  I see it different...I put family first in all decisions, even when those decisions are tough.  

 

Now F that Deuche bag McDaniels and look forward to watching him fail again when he takes over in NE when BB retires.  

 

It looked to me is that NE didn't sit down with him until he was about to clean out his locker for the last time before they made him an offer.  

 

 

[Dr. Who]

32 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

 

It looked to me is that NE didn't sit down with him until he was about to clean out his locker for the last time before they made him an offer.  

 

 

What, NE was oblivious that the Colts were interested in McDaniels?  They waited until he had signed on with Indy and hired some assistants, then decided it was appropriate to talk counteroffers?  Only a selfish, entitled, classless organization would behave that way . . . alright, at least they recognize McDaniels fits in with the culture.

Edited February 8, 2018 by Dr. Who

[teef]

38 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

 

It looked to me is that NE didn't sit down with him until he was about to clean out his locker for the last time before they made him an offer.  

 

 

this would make me question their motives as well.  wouldn't they throw him a bigger contract at the first rumblings of going to indy?

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

3 minutes ago, Dr. Who said:

What, NE was oblivious that the Colts were interested in McDaniels?  They waited until he had signed on with Indy and hired some assistants, then decided it was appropriate to talk counteroffers?  Only a selfish, entitled, classless organization would behave that way . . . alright, at least they recognize McDaniels fits in with the culture.

 

Belichick wants to teach him everything he knows     

• Mumbling classes start next Monday  
• How to tear the sleeves off of a sweatshirt will be held on Tuesday  
• How to fake injury reports will be held on Wednesday
• How to screw with the communication system will be held on Thursday 
• How to persuade the Refs will be held on Friday

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

5 minutes ago, teef said:

this would make me question their motives as well.  wouldn't they throw him a bigger contract at the first rumblings of going to indy?

 

You would think that.     they had a long meeting with him Tuesday  

 

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000915201/article/josh-mcdaniels-bailed-on-colts-job-after-meeting-with-patriots

 

When Josh McDaniels went to Gillette Stadium on Tuesday morning, he was there to clean out his office and say goodbye, sources with knowledge of his thought process told NFL.com.

Instead, sources say, McDaniels met for hours with Patriots coach Bill Belichick, owner Robert Kraft and president Jonathan Kraft, who laid out how they felt about him and the process going forward -- one that surely seems tied to Belichick's future plans.

By around 7 p.m. ET, McDaniels was calling Colts general manager Chris Ballard and backing out

Edited February 8, 2018 by ShadyBillsFan

[26CornerBlitz]

 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

3 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

 

You would think that.     they had a long meeting with him Tuesday  

 

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000915201/article/josh-mcdaniels-bailed-on-colts-job-after-meeting-with-patriots

 

When Josh McDaniels went to Gillette Stadium on Tuesday morning, he was there to clean out his office and say goodbye, sources with knowledge of his thought process told NFL.com.

Instead, sources say, McDaniels met for hours with Patriots coach Bill Belichick, owner Robert Kraft and president Jonathan Kraft, who laid out how they felt about him and the process going forward -- one that surely seems tied to Belichick's future plans.

By around 7 p.m. ET, McDaniels was calling Colts general manager Chris Ballard and backing out

 

I'ma take a flier here that something that happened on Sunday influenced thinking on the Patriots part.

 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

https://www.si.com/nfl/2018/02/08/josh-mcdaniels-bill-belichick-bob-kraft-patriots-colts

 

Bill Belichick isn’t much for NFL rules allowing assistants to pursue head coaching jobs with their seasons still happening, but he adheres to them in his own way. And if those interviews are going to happen, they’re going to happen on Belichick’s terms.

His assistants are told, “Here’s the day, here’s the time.” He insists the interviews happen in close proximity to Gillette Stadium. When they’re over? They’re over.

 

That should explain how, on Tuesday, Josh McDaniels came into new information that he hadn’t previously been privy. It’s ultimately why he made the decision to leave the Colts at the altar and remain as Patriots offensive coordinator.

 

Over the course of the day, McDaniels met intermittently with Belichick, owner Robert Kraft and team president Jonathan Kraft, spending the most time with the elder Kraft as McDaniels’ thinking started to shift.

 

Mo Money was shifting into his bank account 

 

Rumors are they wanted to screw the Colts because of Deflate Gate   (it does sound good) 

Edited February 8, 2018 by ShadyBillsFan

[TheFunPolice]

Total punk move...

 

Sorry, but the idea that he's some sort of hero for thinking about his family kind of takes a hit given the timeline. It's all PR trying to contain the backlash.

 

Being a Patriot* he ought to just own it and admit he screwed the Colts and his would-be assistants and say "how do you like me now? I am part of the 2nd place team in the NFL, punks!"

 

41-33

 

 

[IDBillzFan]

10 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I'ma take a flier here that something that happened on Sunday influenced thinking on the Patriots part.

 

 

I suspect once Kraft explained that Irsay wouldn't let him cheat, McDaniels realized he'd be limited in success in Indy.

[GoBills808]

1 minute ago, LABillzFan said:

 

I suspect once Kraft explained that Irsay wouldn't let him cheat, McDaniels realized he'd be limited in success in Indy.

'Listen Josh, those rub routes we ran past the LOS for years that never got called? Yeeeeeah....you can't do that anywhere else. And in Indianapolis, for some reason, they will call OPI when your tight end shoves the defender out of his way every time he catches the ball. Just something to consider.'

[plenzmd1]

1 hour ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

 

Anyway, it’s all good.  I see it different...I put family first in all decisions, even when those decisions are tough.  

 

 

 

As 99.999999% of people do. That's why NE/McDaniels wanted to spin it this way..who could think less of him if he was only doing this as he had reservations the move his family, and after all family comes first no?

 

Reason Shefty and Peter King had that story first, Pats knew they had a sympathetic ear and it would be reported as fact, and that's how they wanted it.

[DrDawkinstein]

25 minutes ago, teef said:

this would make me question their motives as well.  wouldn't they throw him a bigger contract at the first rumblings of going to indy?

 

Why negotiate against yourself?

 

NE definitely should have stepped up earlier than they did, but I wouldnt say "at first rumblings". Let it play out a little. Maybe Colts low-ball McDaniels. Maybe Josh meets Irsay and they hate each other. No point in throwing money at a problem when there isnt a real problem yet.

 

NE's season ended Sunday night. They sat McDaniels down on Tuesday. So they really only missed doing the sit-down on Monday. But it sounds like McDaniels wasnt in the building Monday.

 

Not trying to defend the scumbags in Foxboro, just trying to think through the timing for league operations...