BillsPride12 Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 1 hour ago, DrDawkinstein said: If he retires, does he make it into the Hall of Fame? Absolutely...If Terrell Davis made it then Gronk is a lock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 9 minutes ago, BillsPride12 said: Absolutely...If Terrell Davis made it then Gronk is a lock If he ends up the 5th best of the era, and there are only 8 tight ends in the Hall to date— will voters stretch to pull in that many guys? Obviously the position has changed but the receiving nature of it puts him against a glut of WRs too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsPride12 Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 1 minute ago, NoSaint said: If he ends up the 5th best of the era, and there are only 8 tight ends in the Hall to date— will voters stretch to pull in that many guys? Obviously the position has changed but the receiving nature of it puts him against a glut of WRs too. Yes because many already consider him the best to ever play the position and he was a major part of the Patriots dynasty, has Super Bowl rings etc. He absolutely gets in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 I’m sure Leo and Tom Hanks are worried about losing the good roles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 14 hours ago, Gordio said: Good post. I will just add if he was smart he would retire. Listen, love him or hate him Gronk takes a beating out there. Defenders routinely go after his knees because he is so big to take down. His style of play & what the Pats ask him to do is very punishing on his body. He already has had several back surgeries, some knee problems & now you can add a concussion onto the list. If he doesn't want to be one of those guys in 20 years appearing on Outside the Lines of "where are they now" & being in a wheelchair, he should get out now. There is nothing left for him to prove. He will go down as the greatest tight end ever & first ballot HOF. If he retired today he most certainly would not go down as the greatest TE ever. maybe top ten, maybe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 11 minutes ago, BillsPride12 said: Yes because many already consider him the best to ever play the position and he was a major part of the Patriots dynasty, has Super Bowl rings etc. He absolutely gets in Say he retires the same year as witten and Gates — what order do you have them going in? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsPride12 Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 1 minute ago, NoSaint said: Say he retires the same year as witten and Gates — what order do you have them going in? That's a good question and I honestly couldn't tell you what I think the writers do in that situation because I've been completely shocked by some of the decisions they have made over the years. Now I never said Gronk was a lock to be a first ballot Hall of Famer..that's where lack of longevity is going to work against him. But he has accomplished enough in 9 years to get in at some point and probably not too long of a wait. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 (edited) 16 minutes ago, BillsPride12 said: That's a good question and I honestly couldn't tell you what I think the writers do in that situation because I've been completely shocked by some of the decisions they have made over the years. Now I never said Gronk was a lock to be a first ballot Hall of Famer..that's where lack of longevity is going to work against him. But he has accomplished enough in 9 years to get in at some point and probably not too long of a wait. I agree he has a decent shot but I don’t know that it’s slam dunk until he gets closer to 10k witten at 12,500 yards and 68 tds gates 11,500 and 114 tds Gronk 7,000 and 76 tds has to be 3rd and those are all behind tony g being eligible with 15000 and 111 jimmy graham is just shy of 7k and has 69 tds— so if gronk stopped today there’s a chance graham pushes him to 6th on the list? By the time your looking at the 5-6th tight end do we see some of these young guys eclipsing his numbers? I guess it’s a matter of how the committee treats the pats dynasty. Coach and qb are mainstays that are easy to put in but is gronk a corner stone or a side kick in their minds? Edited February 9, 2018 by NoSaint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 10 hours ago, NoSaint said: I agree he has a decent shot but I don’t know that it’s slam dunk until he gets closer to 10k witten at 12,500 yards and 68 tds gates 11,500 and 114 tds Gronk 7,000 and 76 tds has to be 3rd and those are all behind tony g being eligible with 15000 and 111 jimmy graham is just shy of 7k and has 69 tds— so if gronk stopped today there’s a chance graham pushes him to 6th on the list? By the time your looking at the 5-6th tight end do we see some of these young guys eclipsing his numbers? I guess it’s a matter of how the committee treats the pats dynasty. Coach and qb are mainstays that are easy to put in but is gronk a corner stone or a side kick in their minds? Gonzalez goes in next year as a first ballot-er, no question. He'll be long out of the way by the time Gronk is eligible. Witten and Gates will be tough to get by, but I wouldnt include Jimmy Graham in the conversation. Graham might have some stats, but he isnt an unstoppable game-changer like Gronk has consistently been. Agreed Gronk would be more of a slam dunk with another couple seasons, which would get him around 10k yards. But I'd lean towards putting him in even if he retired this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordio Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 11 hours ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: If he retired today he most certainly would not go down as the greatest TE ever. maybe top ten, maybe. Maybe not the greatest ever but pretty dam close. To not even consider him in the top 10 is a pretty crazy statement imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 1 hour ago, DrDawkinstein said: Gonzalez goes in next year as a first ballot-er, no question. He'll be long out of the way by the time Gronk is eligible. Witten and Gates will be tough to get by, but I wouldnt include Jimmy Graham in the conversation. Graham might have some stats, but he isnt an unstoppable game-changer like Gronk has consistently been. Agreed Gronk would be more of a slam dunk with another couple seasons, which would get him around 10k yards. But I'd lean towards putting him in even if he retired this year. Agreed. He's the most dominant TE in league history and it's not even really a debate. 12 hours ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: If he retired today he most certainly would not go down as the greatest TE ever. maybe top ten, maybe. There has never been a TE who played the game of football who has been as dominant as Gronkowski. He hasn't played that long, but that's not the issue. He is a man among boys out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFunPolice Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 TE is a tough position... Those guys take an absolute beating... Not only do you have all the impact of blocking but guys dive at your knees and smash you in the face because you are so large. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 16 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said: If he retires, does he make it into the Hall of Fame? Easily, the immortals at TE are respected way more than WRs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 Back on topic Gronkbuster. Ghost hunting show. He can “stupidfy” the demons back to hell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 i wonder if rob would remember that he retired, and would keep showing up to the stadium for work. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 4 hours ago, Gordio said: Maybe not the greatest ever but pretty dam close. To not even consider him in the top 10 is a pretty crazy statement imo. Greats include: Tony G Gates sharpe Ditka Witten Mackey Newsome Kieth Jackson Casper Winslow Gronk is hovering around Vernon Davis Greg Olsen and Jimmy Graham territory right now in production... and that matters if he keeps playing, sure he’s got a high probability to go first ballot, maybe he can even ascend to GOAT but if he quits now he is likely lost behind guys who out-produce him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 On 2/9/2018 at 8:55 AM, DrDawkinstein said: Witten and Gates will be tough to get by, but I wouldnt include Jimmy Graham in the conversation. Graham might have some stats, but he isnt an unstoppable game-changer like Gronk has consistently been. He was not an unstoppable game changer in Eagles Superbowl win despite praise for your hero Donk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 On 2/9/2018 at 9:53 AM, dave mcbride said: Agreed. He's the most dominant TE in league history and it's not even really a debate. There has never been a TE who played the game of football who has been as dominant as Gronkowski. He hasn't played that long, but that's not the issue. He is a man among boys out there. Is he though? What about a guy like jimmy graham getting 3500 yards and 36 tds over a 3 year stretch? Or gates much of his career? gronk is a game changer no doubt— but I think you can make some interesting cases. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BucketList Posted February 11, 2018 Share Posted February 11, 2018 On 2/5/2018 at 12:45 AM, Kelly the Dog said: Guys like Patricia and McDaniels get way, way, way too much credit. Belichick runs every bit of that team. The reason they are so good are Belichick, Brady, Belichick's game plans on defense and offense, Belichick's roster wrangling, and Belichick's in game adjustments, then the corrdinators and rest of the players. You should read the following articles. Belicheat is simply a dishonest and dishonorable coach. I think he is lower than Pete rose. Because of his cheating, guys like Brady and Gronkowski are way over rated. When you know what the defense is doing on most plays, it makes the game easier. https://nypost.com/2015/09/08/spygate-much-worse-than-belichick-goodell-divulged-report/ http://www.espn.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/13533995/split-nfl-new-england-patriots-apart http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/09/11/at-least-five-teams-have-suspected-patriots-of-headset-tampering/ https://www.si.com/nfl/2015/09/08/patriots-cheating-suspicions-bill-belichick-tom-brady 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LA Grant Posted February 11, 2018 Share Posted February 11, 2018 Gronk is right to retire. He's better off as a friendly meathead personality than continuing to play, he's already won SBs. I know 20/20 but at the time the Bills needed a TE and I wasn't the only one hoping to draft him because of the hometown thing. He was the one respectable thing about the Pats. Until his horrible cheap shot on Tre White. Just so despicable and neither the league nor the Pats or anyone made it right. So, he should retire, I think he'll be successful as a personality, and I wish he wasn't a scumbag but that hit was unforgivable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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