TRADE TYROD/ GET BRADFORD/ DRAFT FUTURE

[billsredneck1]

3 minutes ago, Tatonka68 said:

Cut Taylor then sign Sam Bradford + draft Mason Rudolph + Nathan Petersen + Undrafted QB

bradford/peterman/rudolph  i listed in another thread,  but i don't want to pay 20 mil.+ for any qb not named cousins or foles.

[26CornerBlitz]

9 minutes ago, billsredneck1 said:

finally this gets mentioned.  i look at peterman with a very similar skill set as bradford.

i'd rather roll with nate and a rook vs. paying 20mil. to any oftinjured or backup qb. ...and if we can't pry foles away from philly or land mc carron, i'd be more inclined to go with nate.

[YoloinOhio]

19 minutes ago, billsredneck1 said:

bradford/peterman/rudolph  i listed in another thread,  but i don't want to pay 20 mil.+ for any qb not named cousins or foles.

I looked up Bradford’s market value today. Post-injury—  Mike Ginnitti from spotrac said it was Tyrod range (15 mill). He said pre-injury it was 23 mill/yr. He said this back in Nov though.

Edited February 9, 2018 by YoloinOhio

[billsredneck1]

glennon makes that. it's gonna take over 18 and he'll probably get more and a 3yr. plus deal somewhere else.

[YoloinOhio]

2 minutes ago, billsredneck1 said:

glennon makes that. it's gonna take over 18 and he'll probably get more and a 3yr. plus deal somewhere else.

It’s all about the guaranteed money, system he will be working in, and weapons he will have imo. Buffalo may be open to a creative contract with a big SB, im not sure what he wlll think of Daboll or our weapons. 

[billsredneck1]

Just now, YoloinOhio said:

It’s all about the guaranteed money, system he will be working in, and weapons he will have imo. Buffalo may be open to a creative contract with a big SB, im not sure what he wlll think of Daboll or our weapons. 

if it made sense then yes, bring him in. i think  he ends up getting a carson palmer deal in/with az.

 

i'd like the lineup at qb as i posted before, but i bet he's gone by the time the mcfo is done with breakfast on day one.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 hour ago, horned dogs said:

Bradford has only started 80 of a potential 128 games since he came into the league, that's 62.5% or 10 games played/6 missed on average. So yeah you need a second QB for 6 games minimum. Peterman time!

 

That's 3 missed seasons out of 8.

 

Yes.  And of more concern, he's missed 2 1/2 of the most recent 5 seasons.

13 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

I looked up Bradford’s market value today. Post-injury—  Mike Ginnitti from spotrac said it was Tyrod range (15 mill). He said pre-injury it was 23 mill/yr. He said this back in Nov though.

 

Well, he got $18M from the Vikes in 2017 and he did play very well in the 2 games he started.

 

I suppose in this QB-desperate landscape someone will pay him that.  I just hope it's not us. 

 

No joke, I'd rather have Fitzy back here.  He's an E-P guy, he's tough as old boot leather, and said to be a good mentor

[Hapless Bills Fan]

5 hours ago, SoTier said:

 

How many teams has Bradford been healthy enough to take to even a winning season?   Not many because he's missed all/most of 4 seasons in his 8 year pro career.  Bradford can not stay on the field, which is exactly why Case Keenum became the Vikings' starter.  When he's on the field, he's basically a game manager type QB in the same mold as Tyrod Taylor ... or Alex Smith prior to 2017.   He's one of those first round QBs who keeps getting starting jobs because he hasn't totally crashed and burned ... because he's always hurt.

 

Broken record here...W-L record is not a QB stat.  W-L record is still not a QB stat.  And in the future, W-L record will still not be a QB stat.  The teams Bradford played on in StL were sucky teams.  They sucked the suckage right out of sucky socks.

 

No, Bradford is not at all a "game manager type QB in the same mold as TT or Alex Smith" - not at all.  He's a classic pocket passer with a good arm who can make all the throws.  He can read a defense and make good decisions.   He is accurate.  He has some ability to slide around in the pocket, but not at the level of a Rodgers/Brees/Rivers/Ryan kind of guy, which is one reason I think he gets hurt - he gets focused on the downfield picture and fails to make the little adjustment moves that would keep him from getting plastered.

 

You do state the real problem with Bradford.  If he were healthy and could stay on the field, he'd be worth what he's been paid but he can't so he isn't.

It is worth noticing that Bradford's absolute worst year was with Josh McDaniel as his offensive coordinator.  He just couldn't seem to figure out where to go on each play.   He threw 6 TD all year long.   I can't tell you if it was McDaniels, or the WR, or Bradford...whatever it was, I'm not sure Bradford is the right guy to bring in for Daboll even if he were healthy as a horse.

16 minutes ago, billsredneck1 said:

if it made sense then yes, bring him in. i think  he ends up getting a carson palmer deal in/with az.

 

That's great, let Arizona give Bradford a Carson Palmer deal.

57 minutes ago, billsredneck1 said:

finally this gets mentioned.  i look at peterman with a very similar skill set as bradford.

 

*blink*

 

No.

 

Edited February 9, 2018 by Hapless Bills Fan

[Fadingpain]

On January 31, 2018 at 6:36 AM, baskingridgebillsfan said:

I like Bradford.  When healthy he is very good.  I have no issue rolling the dice with him.  

I wouldn't have a problem with Bradford as bridge so long as he is the bridge and only the bridge, we draft "the real guy at QB" as well, and don't pay Bradford a lot of money.

 

If we draft "the guy" at QB, what happens between now and when "the guy" can play is meaningless to me.  Might as well throw Bradford in there; he'll work as well as other options.

 

 

[Manther]

On 2018-01-31 at 5:49 AM, DKBills25 said:

Die hard fan,

just made this account 

But I think this would be the best move for us 

I think cousins will demand too much money and even thou he can throw well I don’t think he would get us in the right direction 

we need to draft our future (mayfield,Jackson) and sigh Bradford to help mold the rook.

basically what the chiefs did. 

Bradford IMO we can get cheap and will give us the best chance to win 

I would also love to see us maybe trade for a young starter (most likely not gonna happen) but maybe Luck,Dalton or Winston

I like all this and think that would be a great offseason.  Agree on all except Bradford being a bargain price.  But, we have room for $40 million for two years while our roster matured and salaries go up.

 

I like Bradford as he is the best FA.  The injury risk doesn’t scare me because we can throw another QB.  If Bradford can stay healthy for about 6 games that would work for me.

 

Go Bills!

 

 

[BuffaloBillsGospel]

11 hours ago, nucci said:

Bradford?

 

Absolutely, if not for the injuries this guy wouldn't even be available to another team.he has 101 TD, 57 INT, 62.5 career comp. %, anyone who can get a full season out of him will show his true worth but like many state, will he ever go a full season, I think there needs to be an injury clause in there somewhere if possible. 

[T master]

On 1/31/2018 at 4:49 AM, DKBills25 said:

Die hard fan,

just made this account 

But I think this would be the best move for us 

I think cousins will demand too much money and even thou he can throw well I don’t think he would get us in the right direction 

we need to draft our future (mayfield,Jackson) and sigh Bradford to help mold the rook.

basically what the chiefs did. 

Bradford IMO we can get cheap and will give us the best chance to win 

I would also love to see us maybe trade for a young starter (most likely not gonna happen) but maybe Luck,Dalton or Winston

 

I would rather sign away a player like A J McCaron than Dalton because he wouldn't cost nearly as much & give him the opportunity to challenge for the starting job & draft another rookie to throw into the mix like Rudolf .

 

You could use TT as a trade piece to get McCaron , then you would have McCaron , Peterman, & the rookie (Rudolph) in a competition for the starting job . 

[billsfan89]

On 1/31/2018 at 6:36 AM, baskingridgebillsfan said:

I like Bradford.  When healthy he is very good.  I have no issue rolling the dice with him.  

 

I would rather have Tyrod than Bradford, Bradford has missed all or significant portions of 3 out of the last 5 seasons. Tyrod for all his faults doesn't have that kind of injury history. Also for some reason, Bradford probably won't come cheap. I think to land Bradford you are looking at 10 million if not more, so it's not like with Bradford and cutting Taylor you see much of the 14 million that Tyrod being cut saves you getting freed up. 

 

As far as veteran QB's unless this team can land Kirk Cousins our best option is Tyrod. That's not singing the praises of Tyrod but rather shitting on the rest of the QB market as there is a big drop in talent once Kirk Cousins comes off the board. Now if Tyrod is your veteran option you better have a high-end rookie waiting in the wings. 

Edited February 10, 2018 by billsfan89

[nucci]

6 hours ago, BuffaloBillsGospel said:

 

Absolutely, if not for the injuries this guy wouldn't even be available to another team.he has 101 TD, 57 INT, 62.5 career comp. %, anyone who can get a full season out of him will show his true worth but like many state, will he ever go a full season, I think there needs to be an injury clause in there somewhere if possible. 

but there are injuries so that is why he'll probably be available. I think there are better options than Bradford

[baskingridgebillsfan]

Bradford >>>>>>> tyrod .   

a Realistic Bradford contract would be ?  2 years 33 million   14 year one fully guaranteed 19 year two with a smallish buy out

Bradford /Peterman and a 3/4/5 th round dart is a sound plan. If you are sitting at 21 and one of the guys you like starts falling to a range when you can get him for both your two's pull the trigger.  

 

On ‎1‎/‎31‎/‎2018 at 6:53 AM, Thurman#1 said:

Just don't think you can build a team around a guy Bradford's age with his injury history.

 

On ‎1‎/‎31‎/‎2018 at 11:04 AM, JoeF said:

Very real.....yes, John.  As frustrating as that is to most of us.  Very real.

 

On ‎1‎/‎31‎/‎2018 at 11:04 AM, JoeF said:

Very real.....yes, John.  As frustrating as that is to most of us.  Very real.

 

On ‎1‎/‎31‎/‎2018 at 11:04 AM, JoeF said:

Very real.....yes, John.  As frustrating as that is to most of us.  Very real.

Age ?

[YoloinOhio]

17 minutes ago, baskingridgebillsfan said:

Bradford >>>>>>> tyrod .   

a Realistic Bradford contract would be ?  2 years 33 million   14 year one fully guaranteed 19 year two with a smallish buy out

Bradford /Peterman and a 3/4/5 th round dart is a sound plan. If you are sitting at 21 and one of the guys you like starts falling to a range when you can get him for both your two's pull the trigger.  

 

 

 

 

Age ?

I would sign Bradford and draft a QB in the 1st no matter what, trade up if needed. I wouldn’t bother with a QB in the mid rounds. Already have Peterman. 

Edited February 10, 2018 by YoloinOhio

[baskingridgebillsfan]

1 minute ago, YoloinOhio said:

I would sign Bradford and draft a QB in the 1st. I wouldn’t bother with a QB in the mid rounds. Already have Peterman. 

I can't argue with that, if the first 5 or gone and it comes down to Lamar Jackson or wait I would wait any of the other 5 I would grab one 

[YoloinOhio]

1 minute ago, baskingridgebillsfan said:

I can't argue with that, if the first 5 or gone and it comes down to Lamar Jackson or wait I would wait any of the other 5 I would grab one 

I like Lamar, but I’m not sure the Bills do. He’s the only “top” QB they didn’t scout more than once. 

[baskingridgebillsfan]

1 minute ago, YoloinOhio said:

I like Lamar, but I’m not sure the Bills do. He’s the only “top” QB they didn’t scout more than once. 

That could be a smoke screen too.  who knows .  Either way they will be better at the position .   

[JoeF]

2 hours ago, baskingridgebillsfan said:

Bradford >>>>>>> tyrod .   

a Realistic Bradford contract would be ?  2 years 33 million   14 year one fully guaranteed 19 year two with a smallish buy out

Bradford /Peterman and a 3/4/5 th round dart is a sound plan. If you are sitting at 21 and one of the guys you like starts falling to a range when you can get him for both your two's pull the trigger.  

 

 

 

 

Age ?

 

 

Personally, I think Bradford will be the "best value" QB on the market.  He improved his accuracy throughout his career. He is athletic enough and smart enough but probably not durable enough to run sets with RPO's. 

 

With this type of contract, he essentially replaces Tyrod's cap number and at 30 years old, it takes away the pressure to bundle picks to move up. 

 

I think with a good running game, a better pass protecting right tackle and right guard he can thrive.

 

Here's his injury history.  I think he can speed the Bills progress if he stays healthy.  He is definitely a better thrower and quicker reader than Tyrod.

 

http://sportsinjurypredictor.com/player/sam-bradford/3362