TakeYouToTasker Posted February 2, 2018 Posted February 2, 2018 On 2/2/2018 at 9:22 PM, bdutton said: Two totally unrelated subjects, but would warrant further internal investigation. Page was the subject of a FISA warrant based on an uncorroborated Dossier (Sorry... Yahoo news story fed by the author of the Dossier does not count), and renewed multiple times on the same basis. I could care less about the Papadopoulus investigation (unless new evidence of FISA funny business comes to light in that one). There are two outcomes IMO that would fix everything... 1. The FBI is corrupt and the leadership and tainted middle management needs to be replaced. 2. Repeal FISA. Expand 3. The FBI and DOJ need to be abolished, and replaced with a new agency with direct congressional oversight, constructed from the ground up. 1
Nanker Posted February 2, 2018 Posted February 2, 2018 On 2/2/2018 at 8:43 PM, DC Tom said: We just had that announcement go out at work, to which I responded to our security people that, no, it was declassified by the most senior classifying authority. Expand I'm calling BS. Adam Schiff hasn't declassified anything of the sort. [/armsfoldeddoinghrumphhrumphhrumph#resist] 1
snafu Posted February 2, 2018 Posted February 2, 2018 On 2/2/2018 at 9:30 PM, TakeYouToTasker said: 3. The FBI and DOJ need to be abolished, and replaced with a new agency with direct congressional oversight, constructed from the ground up. Expand You mean after the Constitution is amended to allow for that?
TakeYouToTasker Posted February 2, 2018 Posted February 2, 2018 On 2/2/2018 at 9:36 PM, snafu said: You mean after the Constitution is amended to allow for that? Expand Do you believe that the Constitution permits the construction of the FBI and DOJ?
elroy16 Posted February 2, 2018 Posted February 2, 2018 On 2/2/2018 at 9:22 PM, bdutton said: Two totally unrelated subjects, but would warrant further internal investigation. Page was the subject of a FISA warrant based on an uncorroborated Dossier (Sorry... Yahoo news story fed by the author of the Dossier does not count), and renewed multiple times on the same basis. I could care less about the Papadopoulus investigation (unless new evidence of FISA funny business comes to light in that one). There are two outcomes IMO that would fix everything... 1. The FBI is corrupt and the leadership and tainted middle management needs to be replaced. 2. Repeal FISA. Expand That's not 100% accurate. Quote "Essentially, what he (Steele) told me was they had other intelligence about this matter from an internal Trump campaign source and...my understanding was that they believed Chris' information might be credible," Simpson told investigators. Expand https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2018/01/09/dossier-author-told-fbi-had-source-inside-trump-organization/1017938001/ Quote Officials familiar with the process say even if the application to monitor Page included information from the dossier, it would only be after the FBI had corroborated the information through its own investigation. The officials would not say what or how much was corroborated. Expand http://www.cnn.com/2017/04/18/politics/fbi-dossier-carter-page-donald-trump-russia-investigation/index.html The only way to know what's really happening is to see the full FISA surveillance application. 1
B-Man Posted February 2, 2018 Posted February 2, 2018 (edited) You know what is being demonstrated pretty clearly to Americans.........................despite media spin attempts ? Quote Dana Loesch ✔@DLoesch Comey and others are angrier at the memo’s release than the abuses discussed in said memo. 2:41 PM - Feb 2, 2018 Expand Thats the bottom line. . Edited February 2, 2018 by B-Man 1
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted February 2, 2018 Posted February 2, 2018 On 2/2/2018 at 9:30 PM, TakeYouToTasker said: 3. The FBI and DOJ need to be abolished, and replaced with a new agency with direct congressional oversight, constructed from the ground up. Expand While you're at it, take the CIA and NSA with you, too.
snafu Posted February 2, 2018 Posted February 2, 2018 On 2/2/2018 at 9:38 PM, TakeYouToTasker said: Do you believe that the Constitution permits the construction of the FBI and DOJ? Expand I know that the DOJ was established by an act of Congress to be an Executive Branch agency. I don't believe that the Agency can be created by and exist solely as a creature of the Legislative Branch.
Cinga Posted February 2, 2018 Posted February 2, 2018 On 2/2/2018 at 9:45 PM, snafu said: I know that the DOJ was established by an act of Congress to be an Executive Branch agency. I don't believe that the Agency can be created by and exist solely as a creature of the Legislative Branch. Expand Actually, no, it can't... Here is from the Constitution in that regard: Quote He shall have Power, by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, to make Treaties, provided two thirds of the Senators present concur; and he shall nominate, and by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, shall appoint Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls, Judges of the supreme Court, and all other Officers of the United States, whose Appointments are not herein otherwise provided for, and which shall be established by Law: but the Congress may by Law vest the Appointment of such inferior Officers, as they think proper, in the President alone, in the Courts of Law, or in the Heads of Departments. Expand So what doe this say? The legislative can create the agency, but the POTUS appoints the head of that agency with advice and consent. The last part allows only for the appointment of the underlings of that agencies. That is the heart of the separation of the 2... Legislature makes the law, Executive is to enforce those laws.
B-Man Posted February 2, 2018 Posted February 2, 2018 (edited) In the midst of all this memo madness, it’s good to know that we can turn to the Onion to help us maintain perspective Quote The Onion ✔@TheOnion FBI Warns Republican Memo Could Undermine Faith In Massive, Unaccountable Government Secret Agencies https://trib.al/TX1pOu1 4:05 PM - Feb 1, 2018 Expand That post went up yesterday, before the details of the memo emerged, but it’s still … what’s the word? ................Perfect. . Edited February 2, 2018 by B-Man
Doc Brown Posted February 2, 2018 Posted February 2, 2018 On 2/2/2018 at 9:39 PM, elroy16 said: The only way to know what's really happening is to see the full FISA surveillance application. Expand If Democrats were smart that's what they'd be screaming to release everything (knowing that's unlikely). They're not though because most don't have a spine. On 2/2/2018 at 9:54 PM, B-Man said: In the midst of all this memo madness, it’s good to know that we can turn to the Onion to help us maintain perspective That post went up yesterday, before the details of the memo emerged, but it’s still … what’s the word? ................Perfect. Expand What I like about The Onion is they attack both sides. 1
Capco Posted February 2, 2018 Posted February 2, 2018 Some of you have your heads on straight. Most of you are completely $@&%*ng bonkers. It's genuinely sad. 2
Cinga Posted February 2, 2018 Posted February 2, 2018 On 2/2/2018 at 10:05 PM, Capco said: Some of you have your heads on straight. Most of you are completely $@&%*ng bonkers. It's genuinely sad. Expand Another Gator/Tibs account?
Azalin Posted February 2, 2018 Posted February 2, 2018 On 2/2/2018 at 10:05 PM, Capco said: Some of you have your heads on straight. Most of you are completely $@&%*ng bonkers. It's genuinely sad. Expand It's pretty tough to argue detail like that. You sure told us, boy howdy.
snafu Posted February 2, 2018 Posted February 2, 2018 Here is the NY Times annotated version of the memo, for stupid people. https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/02/02/us/politics/nunes-memo-gop-fbi-annotated.html
Deranged Rhino Posted February 2, 2018 Author Posted February 2, 2018 Schiff's memo has leaked. Shows you how much they really cared about going through the right channels. *********************** ************************ ******************** (It doesn't discredit his investigation because Mueller isn't investigating what people think he is. )
Deranged Rhino Posted February 2, 2018 Author Posted February 2, 2018 ******************** Important 5+ minutes to rewatch and pay attention to. Listen to what Rogers is talking about. Remember the key dates. ****************************** Yup.
Trump_is_Mentally_fit Posted February 2, 2018 Posted February 2, 2018 On 2/2/2018 at 9:22 PM, bdutton said: Two totally unrelated subjects, but would warrant further internal investigation. Page was the subject of a FISA warrant based on an uncorroborated Dossier (Sorry... Yahoo news story fed by the author of the Dossier does not count), and renewed multiple times on the same basis. I could care less about the Papadopoulus investigation (unless new evidence of FISA funny business comes to light in that one). There are two outcomes IMO that would fix everything... 1. The FBI is corrupt and the leadership and tainted middle management needs to be replaced. 2. Repeal FISA. Expand I'm glad you guys are not just running away from this. No, Page had been under investigation before for Russia and Popadopolous inadvertently brought out the fact Team Trump had Russia connections, stolen emails, etc. So it wasn't not just any one thing. Page had been recruited by Russians back in 2013, so when he joins Trump team that raised eyebrows. Steel is a very well respected investigator and alleged that Page had meeting with Kremlin while on Trump team and that he was Manaforts assistant. You seriously think that FBI should just ignore that? Well, good Americans won't ignore things like that. Extra question. If the FISA wire picked up the fact he was carry water for the Kremlin, would you think that was serious?
Deranged Rhino Posted February 2, 2018 Author Posted February 2, 2018 On 2/2/2018 at 7:52 PM, Deranged Rhino said: ************************* Key to keep in mind: It doesn't matter how much the memo is downplayed by the media or the left. What matters is what the House and Senate Judiciary Committees do next: Remember the batting order... Grassley's up. Expand Annnnnnd.... here we go: The Nunes memo is just the start. Grassley's up, and he's got LOADS more than Nunes had.
Trump_is_Mentally_fit Posted February 2, 2018 Posted February 2, 2018 On 2/2/2018 at 10:55 PM, Deranged Rhino said: Annnnnnd.... here we go: The Nunes memo is just the start. Grassley's up, and he's got LOADS more than Nunes had. Expand Lol, the start of a pile of rolling crap is all.
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