xxxxxxxx Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 How can Cleveland draft a quarterback overall at 1, and expect to retain said player (if they become a franchise guy), Myles Garrett, and whomever is BPA at 4? Maybe they are the most logical trade partner? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simool Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 1 minute ago, MURPHD6 said: How can Cleveland draft a quarterback overall at 1, and expect to retain said player (if they become a franchise guy), Myles Garrett, and whomever is BPA at 4? Maybe they are the most logical trade partner? It is pretty much common knowledge that they are going to take Barkley 1st. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadingpain Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 (edited) They will use their #1 pick as a pick, for sure. #4 may be available, may not be available. Should be a really interesting draft. PS: The entire structure of the draft is going to be dictated by what Cleveland does. Everything will slot in behind their decisions like dominoes. Edited January 26, 2018 by Fadingpain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 4 minutes ago, simool said: It is pretty much common knowledge that they are going to take Barkley 1st. It is? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 7 minutes ago, MURPHD6 said: How can Cleveland draft a quarterback overall at 1, and expect to retain said player (if they become a franchise guy), Myles Garrett, and whomever is BPA at 4? Maybe they are the most logical trade partner? You shouldn't draft guys that you think will be franchise type players because they will leave??? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luxy312 Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 10 minutes ago, simool said: It is pretty much common knowledge that they are going to take Barkley 1st. Based on no verifiable information what so ever. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Wagon Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 12 minutes ago, Jauronimo said: You shouldn't draft guys that you think will be franchise type players because they will leave??? Simple rules for NFL success: 1) Don't take franchise players because they will be expensive and want to leave. 2) Don't win games against the other conference because they don't help with playoff tiebreakers. 1 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 Just now, Chuck Wagon said: Simple rules for NFL success: 1) Don't take franchise players because they will be expensive and want to leave. 2) Don't win games against the other conference because they don't help with playoff tiebreakers. Pretty sure that has been the strategy in Cleveland for a while. Lose games. Draft high. Trade out of high draft picks and accumulate marginal NFL talent that can be retained cheaply. Rinse, wash, repeat. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndirish1978 Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 Of course that makes total sense! Don't have a qb? Have the first pick in the draft with some good Qbs? Draft a RB! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simool Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 1 minute ago, 26CornerBlitz said: It is? Okay maybe I over embellished there, no one really knows except Dorsey. I have read a couple of reputable sources speculating on it in the last day or so. Listening to a local radio show that has been around as long as I have been in Wisconsin, brought me around to this line of thinking. The host believes Dorsey is going to draft the best player in the draft and a majority of people feel it is Barkley. He felt Cleveland was content taking a QB at 4. At first I was like there is no way they are going to miss out on Rosen or Darnold. But listening a bit longer, he implied that Dorsey likes a different QB and that Darnold and Rosen both have flaws. Barkley has no flaws. He knows Dorsey and has good inside Packers information. It is the scenario that seems to make the most sense to me right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillyG Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 Don't they also have around $100 million in cap space? Pretty sure they will manage. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 2 minutes ago, simool said: Okay maybe I over embellished there, no one really knows except Dorsey. I have read a couple of reputable sources speculating on it in the last day or so. Listening to a local radio show that has been around as long as I have been in Wisconsin, brought me around to this line of thinking. The host believes Dorsey is going to draft the best player in the draft and a majority of people feel it is Barkley. He felt Cleveland was content taking a QB at 4. At first I was like there is no way they are going to miss out on Rosen or Darnold. But listening a bit longer, he implied that Dorsey likes a different QB and that Darnold and Rosen both have flaws. Barkley has no flaws. He knows Dorsey and has good inside Packers information. It is the scenario that seems to make the most sense to me right now. 2 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said: After passing on Goff, Wentz, Trubisky, Watson, and Mahomes the past two drafts, they better not get cute and instead just take who they see as the best QB prospect in '18. My thoughts on the matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 They should trade us 1 and 4 to us for 21 and 22 because the players taken later on will be easier for them to re-sign 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simool Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 2 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: My thoughts on the matter. Yeah definitely some logic there, but Dorsey did not pass on those guys and none of those guys are Darnold or Rosen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 Get one at 1 and at 4 - you can probably trade the one who doesn't win the job for a bunch later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 1 minute ago, Buffalo Streaker said: I would sit and watch those games with my dad. I was in my early teens. I’d get so discouraged when the Bills would be losing late. He’d always say, “Don’t worry kid, they’re a fourth quarter team.” He was right. I remember when my dad called us all into the living room. The Bills had just won the AFC Championship in '92. He said "I want a divorce." I got 2 Christmases for a while. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 1 minute ago, dneveu said: Get one at 1 and at 4 - you can probably trade the one who doesn't win the job for a bunch later. Come on man. No way they'll take two QBs with as much help as they need all over the roster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 2 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Come on man. No way they'll take two QBs with as much help as they need all over the roster. Especially if they become franchise QBs. No way you can keep both. Better take a RB. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 Just now, Jauronimo said: Especially if they become franchise QBs. No way you can keep both. Better take a RB. K Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 Just now, 26CornerBlitz said: Come on man. No way they'll take two QBs with as much help as they need all over the roster. No, of course they wont. But when the franchise as it stands has literally never had a starting QB, it might be worth it to invest in it. They're at least a year out from competing - you get a full year with both of them and trade the extra piece a year later to a team for a 1st and change. Yes - its not maximizing your assets. Just looking at it from the perspective of the parade of terrible players they've had since tim couch... and how its corresponded to being the worst team in the league for an absurdly long time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luxy312 Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 12 minutes ago, simool said: Okay maybe I over embellished there, no one really knows except Dorsey. I have read a couple of reputable sources speculating on it in the last day or so. Listening to a local radio show that has been around as long as I have been in Wisconsin, brought me around to this line of thinking. The host believes Dorsey is going to draft the best player in the draft and a majority of people feel it is Barkley. He felt Cleveland was content taking a QB at 4. At first I was like there is no way they are going to miss out on Rosen or Darnold. But listening a bit longer, he implied that Dorsey likes a different QB and that Darnold and Rosen both have flaws. Barkley has no flaws. He knows Dorsey and has good inside Packers information. It is the scenario that seems to make the most sense to me right now. What sources exactly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 Just now, dneveu said: No, of course they wont. But when the franchise as it stands has literally never had a starting QB, it might be worth it to invest in it. They're at least a year out from competing - you get a full year with both of them and trade the extra piece a year later to a team for a 1st and change. Yes - its not maximizing your assets. Just looking at it from the perspective of the parade of terrible players they've had since tim couch... and how its corresponded to being the worst team in the league for an absurdly long time. With Dorsey, Wolf, and Highsmith around they'll make good football decisions as I mentioned in the Giants #2 thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 (edited) 3 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: With Dorsey, Wolf, and Highsmith around they'll make good football decisions as I mentioned in the Giants #2 thread. Yeah - just throwing a bold idea out there. If they go non-QB at 1, then teams begin looking to trade up to 3 if theres a certain QB they want. Going to be a bizarre offseason and leadup to the draft. Edited January 26, 2018 by dneveu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 1 minute ago, dneveu said: Yeah - just throwing a bold idea out there. If they go non-QB at 1, then teams begin looking to trade up to 3 if theres a certain QB they want. Going to be a bizarre offseason and leadup to the draft. Can't see it playing out like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 Just now, 26CornerBlitz said: Can't see it playing out like that. So you're saying they just pick their guy at 1? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 40 minutes ago, MURPHD6 said: How can Cleveland draft a quarterback overall at 1, and expect to retain said player (if they become a franchise guy), Myles Garrett, and whomever is BPA at 4? Maybe they are the most logical trade partner? Why wouldn't they be able to keep them? Plus they'll both be on rookie contracts for 5 years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 (edited) 24 minutes ago, dneveu said: So you're saying they just pick their guy at 1? That's the way I see it. Whichever QB prospect they have at # 1 they select. It's a deep RB class and they can get a good one in later rounds, but their top priority as a franchise is to secure a QB as stated by Haslam and Dorsey. Edited January 26, 2018 by 26CornerBlitz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 3 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: That's the way I see it. Whichever QB prospect they have at # 1 the select. It's a deep RB class and they can get a good one in later rounds, but their top priority as a franchise is to secure a QB as stated by Haslam and Dorsey. I'm not saying it's likely, but assuming they have their top 3 QBs graded virtually the same (within reason) then they might pick up whomever they believe is the best player in the draft at 1 and take the remaining QB, or potentially a choice if Indy stays put, from the remaining 2. Crazier things have happened! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 3 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said: I'm not saying it's likely, but assuming they have their top 3 QBs graded virtually the same (within reason) then they might pick up whomever they believe is the best player in the draft at 1 and take the remaining QB, or potentially a choice if Indy stays put, from the remaining 2. Crazier things have happened! Doesn't make much sense to me because they'll have a favorite based on film study and in-depth interviews with each QB prospect. Why even mess around with their terrible history at the single most important position in major team sports? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 5 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: That's the way I see it. Whichever QB prospect they have at # 1 the select. It's a deep RB class and they can get a good one in later rounds, but their top priority as a franchise is to secure a QB as stated by Haslam and Dorsey. Always the chance that they just sign a cousins or something too. They're in a unique spot with that much cap room. You could literally eat like 75 million in year 1 signing bonus to keep base salaries low for the life of the deal. You'd risk a hold out or something, but its hard to argue for a holdout when you got a huge guarantee paid out up front. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KollegeStudnet Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 (edited) Cleveland grabs Barkley at #1 swing for the fences for Mayfield. Wouldn’t be surprised to see the Bills jump up before Cleveland picks at #3. Edited January 26, 2018 by KollegeStudnet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigPappy Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 13 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said: I'm not saying it's likely, but assuming they have their top 3 QBs graded virtually the same (within reason) then they might pick up whomever they believe is the best player in the draft at 1 and take the remaining QB, or potentially a choice if Indy stays put, from the remaining 2. Crazier things have happened! Are the Giants and Indy going to take a QB this year? I don't think they will. Certainly not the Giants anyway. Eli still has some tread on his tires for them, and supposedly Luck is going to be back next year and able to actually play. I guess we'll know for certain on Luck come draft day. If neither plan on taking a QB there is merit to what your thinking. On the flip side, Cleveland tend to do idiotic stuff; more so than the Bills so.....who really knows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 Lots of people looking at what the Browns might do through the hopeful prism of a Bills' fan perspective it seems to me. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigPappy Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 8 minutes ago, KollegeStudnet said: Cleveland grabs Barkley at #1 swing for the fences for Mayfield. Wouldn’t be surprised to see the Bills jump up before Cleveland picks at #3. Sorry....I don't see that happening at all. Beane and McD are not going to sell the farm to get to the 3rd pick. It would cost them way to much and now with Wood retiring, they have another spot to fill. They need all the picks they have. If their top QB choice falls to 10 or 11 and he still has not been picked then yeah i can see them putting together a deal, but not at 3...No way! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 Inside sources tell me that the Browns will take either Darnold or Rosen with the first pick. Not even they can !@#$ this up.....oh wait a minute! Yes they can Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigPappy Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 1 minute ago, horned dogs said: Inside sources tell me that the Browns will take either Darnold or Rosen with the first pick. Not even they can !@#$ this up.....oh wait a minute! Yes they can Even if the didn't !@#$ up the pick, they'll !@#$ the QB they do take. They do it every time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luxy312 Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 If Cleveland believes any of the QB's are head and shoulders above the others, they MUST take them with the #1 pick. Kizer was a dumpster fire and the possibility of 2 QB's coming off the board between 1 and 4 is just too much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cage Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, simool said: It is pretty much common knowledge that they are going to take Barkley 1st. No chance.... their only pick is a QB, especially after trading out of the Deshaun Watson spot last year. If waited to #4 to pick a QB and 1-2 teams jumped in front of them that would have to be an immediately fireable offense. They need to determine who their best QB prospect is and select him #1, case closed! Imagine ending up with the 2nd or 3rd QB picked, have him be a bust and 1-2 of the guys selected ahead of you become perennial Pro Bowlers.... I have no inside knowledge whatsoever, but guaranteeing that Browns take QB #1, no other option. Edited January 26, 2018 by cage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simool Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, Luxy312 said: What sources exactly? Joe Thomas was the first one I heard mention it, but more along the lines of if he was drafting. Then earlier this week a reporter from the orange and brown report filed a report from the senior bowl which said as much. https://scout.com/nfl/browns/Article/Would-John-Dorsey-take-the-best-available-player-and-possibly-pass-up-the-quarterback-at-number-one-114144681 I have read it a couple of other places I will try to dig up and post back for you. The discussion I heard was on FM 100.5 here and it was the Homer True show. Edited January 26, 2018 by simool 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xxxxxxxx Posted January 26, 2018 Author Share Posted January 26, 2018 1 hour ago, nucci said: Why wouldn't they be able to keep them? Plus they'll both be on rookie contracts for 5 years Retain. As in sign them to longterm deals, after 5 years is up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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