The Now Moment Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 John Miller started his career out promising and had his best year before Dennison came in. Does Daboll open up the door for John Miller starting at RG again or is he on the outs with this coaching staff? We have all discussed the potential of drafting a RG or grabbing one in FA but can Miller bounce back? I would draft an interior lineman to fight for the job with Miller. If Miller wins, we can used the young guy to be a backup and learn, then replace Incognito as he nears the end of his career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 I sure hope so Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillyG Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 Miller can definitely bounce back in this offense if given a chance. Vlad need to be the driver on the bus that carries Tolbert out of Buffalo. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billzgobowlin Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 The question to ask is was he really that good the year before. We can improve that position but it isn't necessary. Vlad will start because of Castillo though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 what philosophies does one chose from for O-lines? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooklynBills Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 he was terrible year one and good year two. he was not good last year at all, but i think that was due to him not being a good enough athlete to play the zone style that Dennison/Castillo were trying to install last year. Hes a bounce back candidate for sure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Now Moment Posted January 25, 2018 Author Share Posted January 25, 2018 (edited) 4 minutes ago, BrooklynBills said: he was terrible year one and good year two. he was not good last year at all, but i think that was due to him not being a good enough athlete to play the zone style that Dennison/Castillo were trying to install last year. Hes a bounce back candidate for sure Actually he was described as the best athlete on the offensive line in a few articles this year. Not sure how true that is. I think he can focus and play better with man responsibilities rather than the zone that was used this year. He said how he likes to play physical and that matches up better in the power scheme not the zone. Hoping he bounces back. 11 minutes ago, row_33 said: what philosophies does one chose from for O-lines? I'm not sure about all but he prefers the man to man blocking rather than the zone. This allows him to be more physical which he's stated in the past that he likes. Hoping he plays better next year Edited January 25, 2018 by Buffalo30 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 everyone genius says you build starting with the O-line but few teams in dire straights actually do that i would assume the philosophy is to draft the biggest MFs with talent that can truck out the D in merciless fashion for years on end Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Now Moment Posted January 25, 2018 Author Share Posted January 25, 2018 2 minutes ago, row_33 said: everyone genius says you build starting with the O-line but few teams in dire straights actually do that i would assume the philosophy is to draft the biggest MFs with talent that can truck out the D in merciless fashion for years on end Some teams like to use the smaller faster offensive lineman that can pull really well and get out in front of the running backs in space. There's different philosophies that all have been proven to work with the right players Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 He was better than he got credit for year 1, he was good year 2 but he sucked his 4 games this year. My guess is if Castillo (he will) stays Ducasse starts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndirish1978 Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 I just want Castillo gone more than anything 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Buffalo30 said: Some teams like to use the smaller faster offensive lineman that can pull really well and get out in front of the running backs in space. There's different philosophies that all have been proven to work with the right players fair enough, but that requires ADJUSTING to the REALITY of the ROSTER i believe 98% of coaches cannot get beyond setting up their "little system" and then trying to implement it come hell or high water, such that if the players don't fit your scheme then you toss the season away and shrug and refuse to adjust and hope you can get players to fit the system Edited January 25, 2018 by row_33 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Hammersticks Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 I personally thought that Vlad played pretty well down the stretch. I would like to see an open competition for RG in training camp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Now Moment Posted January 25, 2018 Author Share Posted January 25, 2018 1 minute ago, Johnny Hammersticks said: I personally thought that Vlad played pretty well down the stretch. I would like to see an open competition for RG in training camp. If the offensive line scheme is changed though, then I think he will end up like Miller did this year. 3 minutes ago, row_33 said: fair enough, but that requires ADJUSTING to the REALITY of the ROSTER i believe 98% of coaches cannot get beyond setting up their "little system" and then trying to implement it come hell or high water, such that if the players don't fit your scheme then you toss the season away and shrug and refuse to adjust and hope you can get players to fit the system That's why flexible coaches who adjust to talent are the best. Unfortunately, there aren't many of them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BmarvB Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 He was developin fine until the wonder twins ( Dennison/Castillo ) took over and installed the zone blocking scheme. Maybe the new OC will go back to what was working better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houston's #1 Bills Fan Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 18 minutes ago, Johnny Hammersticks said: I personally thought that Vlad played pretty well down the stretch. I would like to see an open competition for RG in training camp. He got better, but there are still MUCH better options. I still would rather have Groy in there, but I have a feeling they are saving him for Center when Wood retires or is traded. Perhaps the draft will provide. But, any talk about a new QB will inevitably revolve around who's protecting him. Vlad was bad most of the year. Do we win 1-3 more games if a better OL is there? Perhaps. TT needed time to throw accurately. A better line could have provide that time. Of the better TT games, he's most effective when he has time to throw and they are then much more accurate. While he can scramble, scramble and throwing are two separate things and he does terrible scrambling and then finding an open receiver and throwing an accurate ball to him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 1 hour ago, ndirish1978 said: I just want Castillo gone more than anything Groy and Miller should both start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WMDman Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 Prolly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 He will be another one of Whaley's so-called "failures" that will be cut and go on to be a solid starter for a playoff team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 For whatever reason, Miller was in the doghouse all year, but they didn't cut him, so maybe.... I can't believe he would have been worse than Vlad all year. Hopefully this zone blocking BS is gone and we get back to power football. Enough with the finesse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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