NastyNateSoldiers Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 The Bills made some great offseason pkups last yr on Defense, Hyde, Poyer, Tre, Milano & Gaines were very good additions to this team. These additions were great in value and helped us break the 17yr drought . But what's the common theme here there all defensive players. Mcd being a defensive minded coach might had alot to do with these moves as he found guys that fit his scheme like a glove. What about the offense? What went wrong here? I think its safe to say none of these guys earned there keep on the field this yr and most alarming to me is none of these players offer much as far as difference maker talents. The Wrs are all big and slow and don't have much speed to spread the field. Dimarco and Tolbert are blah blah players that didn't contribute very much either. Is this a sign to be concerned about? DiMarco - where was all the passes he was supposed to catch? Plus he's not even that good of a blocker Tolbert - the biggest head scratcher of them all . I see how he brings a leadership role to the team but he should never be a #2 RB in the NFL. Actually he never has in his 12 seasons. He was always a FB/ short yardage bk Zay, Matthews & Benjamin These 3 i can say the same thing bout big & slow can't separate is this how we want our wrs looking from here on out. Do we have reason to be concerned about the lack of talent evaluation on the offensive side of the ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTBill Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 Everyone scratched their heads about the 2 FBs. All three of those WR were injured much of the season - Zay playing through it. Dawkins was a great addition. Though not a skill player. Thompson seems to have been a good pickup, I suspect that Zay & Benjamin will have better years next year. Matthews is as good as gone. The OC was part of the problem, the QB was part of the problem, the injuries were part of the problem. Shady was the best story to come out of the offense. I get the frustration, but I don't think I'm hitting the panic button on offensive talent evaluation just yet. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jr1 Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 wait til March to worry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snamsnoops Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 It was year one of a new regime. A lot of changes\moving parts last year. I believe it is way to early to be overly concerned. McBeane hasn't even drafted a player for this team yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VirginiaMike Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 10 minutes ago, MTBill said: Everyone scratched their heads about the 2 FBs. All three of those WR were injured much of the season - Zay playing through it. Dawkins was a great addition. Though not a skill player. Thompson seems to have been a good pickup, I suspect that Zay & Benjamin will have better years next year. Matthews is as good as gone. The OC was part of the problem, the QB was part of the problem, the injuries were part of the problem. Shady was the best story to come out of the offense. I get the frustration, but I don't think I'm hitting the panic button on offensive talent evaluation just yet. Agree with MTBill here. I expect Benjamin will have a much better year this coming year. Still not sure on Jones, but he deserves another year. We do need some speed in this position. We absolutely need another RB and I don't think whoever it will be is on the roster today. Shandy still is great, but we need a tandem and it's not Tolbert. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 The reason the offense didn't work was Tyrod Taylor's inability to play from the pocket, and his aversion to taking any sort of chances. There are times in a game in which you need to take a shot. Sometimes those long interceptions turn into long punts. Dennison's play calling didn't help. DiMarco should have been used more in the running game. He had been graded as the best fullback in the league for a few years and suddenly did nothing. I don't think he was used properly. I think Daboll will use him as he started his career with him and Kansas City and NE does make use of a fullback. I think they may have wanted more versatility and that is why they were in on Kyle Juszczyk. I think they wanted a guy who could be Patrick DiMarco and Nick O'Leary in one. I think we saw a lot of DiMarco's reps go to O'Leary honestly. I think they just liked 11 an 12 personnel more than 21 personnel. Tolbert I thought was signed to be a locker room cheerleader, then J. Williams was cut. I don't understand his presence on the field and literally screamed at the TV any time he was in the game. He did fumble in the snow game though, so there's that. Matthews was a weird fit and I honestly hated that trade. I didn't like the pick of Zay Jones either. I actually really wanted Cooper Kupp. Hindsight says we should have pick Smith-Schuster. I love teh KB trade. He is teh type of player we have not had in a long time. He is a game changer if we have a quarterback who can get him the ball. Daboll will make a big difference picking offensive personnel in my opinion. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NastyNateSoldiers Posted January 25, 2018 Author Share Posted January 25, 2018 14 minutes ago, MTBill said: Everyone scratched their heads about the 2 FBs. All three of those WR were injured much of the season - Zay playing through it. Dawkins was a great addition. Though not a skill player. Thompson seems to have been a good pickup, I suspect that Zay & Benjamin will have better years next year. Matthews is as good as gone. The OC was part of the problem, the QB was part of the problem, the injuries were part of the problem. Shady was the best story to come out of the offense. I get the frustration, but I don't think I'm hitting the panic button on offensive talent evaluation just yet. I'm not hitting the panic buttom but it is a little concerning. I hope they go out and grab some guys that add different dimensions to our offense we need 2 more 3 down caliber bks . To go with Benji and Zay we need to add 2 speedsters to wr core. Most importantly whoever we add i hope they can run after the catch . Make people miss in open field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ricojes Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 (edited) 49 minutes ago, NastyNateSoldiers said: The Bills made some great offseason pkups last yr on Defense, Hyde, Poyer, Tre, Milano & Gaines were very good additions to this team. These additions were great in value and helped us break the 17yr drought . But what's the common theme here there all defensive players. Mcd being a defensive minded coach might had alot to do with these moves as he found guys that fit his scheme like a glove. What about the offense? What went wrong here? I think its safe to say none of these guys earned there keep on the field this yr and most alarming to me is none of these players offer much as far as difference maker talents. The Wrs are all big and slow and don't have much speed to spread the field. Dimarco and Tolbert are blah blah players that didn't contribute very much either. Is this a sign to be concerned about? DiMarco - where was all the passes he was supposed to catch? Plus he's not even that good of a blocker Tolbert - the biggest head scratcher of them all . I see how he brings a leadership role to the team but he should never be a #2 RB in the NFL. Actually he never has in his 12 seasons. He was always a FB/ short yardage bk Zay, Matthews & Benjamin These 3 i can say the same thing bout big & slow can't separate is this how we want our wrs looking from here on out. Do we have reason to be concerned about the lack of talent evaluation on the offensive side of the ball. I am assuming they couldn't find and better option at QB last season. So maybe they figured with a one year and out QB, they would wait until the QB situation was more stable/long term to build the offense up. Unless something was said by one of the coaches, I am not sure about the "all the catches" DiMarco was supposed to have, his career high was 13 and that was his only double digit reception year. Tolbert was a waste on the field, but a great locker room guy that McD was familiar with. For a new head coach, those types of players are important in year one. Benjamin will be good next season, but they do need to find a deep threat to open up the middle of the field for him. I am really not concerned about their ability to build up the offense at all now that Dennison is gone... Edited January 25, 2018 by ricojes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBillsFanSince1973 Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 trust the process... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corta765 Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 (edited) 53 minutes ago, NastyNateSoldiers said: The Bills made some great offseason pkups last yr on Defense, Hyde, Poyer, Tre, Milano & Gaines were very good additions to this team. These additions were great in value and helped us break the 17yr drought . But what's the common theme here there all defensive players. Mcd being a defensive minded coach might had alot to do with these moves as he found guys that fit his scheme like a glove. What about the offense? What went wrong here? I think its safe to say none of these guys earned there keep on the field this yr and most alarming to me is none of these players offer much as far as difference maker talents. The Wrs are all big and slow and don't have much speed to spread the field. Dimarco and Tolbert are blah blah players that didn't contribute very much either. Is this a sign to be concerned about? DiMarco - where was all the passes he was supposed to catch? Plus he's not even that good of a blocker Tolbert - the biggest head scratcher of them all . I see how he brings a leadership role to the team but he should never be a #2 RB in the NFL. Actually he never has in his 12 seasons. He was always a FB/ short yardage bk Zay, Matthews & Benjamin These 3 i can say the same thing bout big & slow can't separate is this how we want our wrs looking from here on out. Do we have reason to be concerned about the lack of talent evaluation on the offensive side of the ball. Your over thinking with the offensive side. The Bills at one point did have Watkins, Boldin, & Zay and at the time most NFL media said the Bills had one of the better WR corps out there. McD didn't trade Sammy that was Beane and he had to take that lump. Benjamin trade was suppose to have helped the WR corp same with Matthews but both had injuries that really did effect their play to the point Matthews was on IR and Benjamin was only good for catching passes forget yards after. I know people don't like to hear it but injuries like that really do effect what you can do. On the plus Deonte Thompson was brought in and played a very good role and I think Nick O'Leary had his best year to date same with Clay when healthy. The bigger issue to me was his choice of Dennison who I will defend a little by saying the sum of the parts he had wasn't much and he still had some nice games late against MIA that helped clinch the playoffs. That said McD's pick of Dennison went against every strength Taylor had because of the scheme which didn't make sense from day 1. Additionally I didn't like how conservative they got in the 2nd half if they had a sizeable lead. I am not sure if that was more McD or Dennison but in the end the coach can dictate how that goes and I hope he has learned from it. So overall I think it was more a case of some good some bad and we never really got to see what the offense would've been had Benjamin, Clay, & Matthews all been healthy as a group. I very much like his pick of Sabol very creative mind and I want to reserve judgement on a lot until the off season is finished. Edited January 25, 2018 by corta765 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BfloBillsFan Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 No major concerns for me...Only move I question was signing Tolbert. I would hope that was more for his leadership and locker room presence than his running ability. WRs get a pass because the OC didn't have a system for Tyrod, and that Tyrod is below average at throwing the football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCOrange Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 You have to put this in the context of where this team was a year ago. Buffalo didn't have all that much cap space to work with, and they spent it on good defensive pickups. I'm not sure this is an issue of talent evaluation so much as it is an issue of a lack of talent, period, as well as being straddled with a terrible offensive coordinator. The Dennison hire scares me more than the talent evaluation aspect does, but I'm glad McDermott was so quick to dump Dennison. Moving forwards, this team still has holes galore, even on the defensive side, but they have more flexibility now to address the holes. It's a long process, but I have faith in them for now at least. Ask me again after this offseason and my answer could change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndirish1978 Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 I need to go back and watch Milano more. Is he a legit starter, or just the best we had at the time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 Year 1 was clear cap. Year 2 will be harder to win then year 1. I expect a younger team. Year 3 we begin to see McDermott and Beanes influence on the team, cap spending. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ricojes Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 14 minutes ago, ndirish1978 said: I need to go back and watch Milano more. Is he a legit starter, or just the best we had at the time? His best play... Yes, that is me.... 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndirish1978 Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 4 minutes ago, ricojes said: His best play... Yes, that is me.... Really cool, hope you have that framed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffalostu2 Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 2 hours ago, BfloBillsFan said: No major concerns for me...Only move I question was signing Tolbert. I would hope that was more for his leadership and locker room presence than his running ability. WRs get a pass because the OC didn't have a system for Tyrod, and that Tyrod is below average at throwing the football. I thought there was information out there that McD's wife and Tolbert's are best friends and their families are very close. How is that lost by those who call it a head scratcher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lfod Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 (edited) I couldn't blame them for doing the best they could with what they had. I just think they made fixing the defense a priority. I can understand that. Now they should put serious attention into the offense and scoring points. I think that should be a huge priority. You can't walk away from games only scoring 3 points. I'm not concerned right yet. I trust the process. Edited January 25, 2018 by Lfod Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigPappy Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 4 hours ago, NastyNateSoldiers said: The Bills made some great offseason pkups last yr on Defense, Hyde, Poyer, Tre, Milano & Gaines were very good additions to this team. These additions were great in value and helped us break the 17yr drought . But what's the common theme here there all defensive players. Mcd being a defensive minded coach might had alot to do with these moves as he found guys that fit his scheme like a glove. What about the offense? What went wrong here? I think its safe to say none of these guys earned there keep on the field this yr and most alarming to me is none of these players offer much as far as difference maker talents. The Wrs are all big and slow and don't have much speed to spread the field. Dimarco and Tolbert are blah blah players that didn't contribute very much either. Is this a sign to be concerned about? DiMarco - where was all the passes he was supposed to catch? Plus he's not even that good of a blocker Tolbert - the biggest head scratcher of them all . I see how he brings a leadership role to the team but he should never be a #2 RB in the NFL. Actually he never has in his 12 seasons. He was always a FB/ short yardage bk Zay, Matthews & Benjamin These 3 i can say the same thing bout big & slow can't separate is this how we want our wrs looking from here on out. Do we have reason to be concerned about the lack of talent evaluation on the offensive side of the ball. I have to agree with most of what is said here but I'm not sure its time to be concerned yet. See the below post as to why. Benjamin is slow, but he can get separation at times but his is really in his size so I'm not to worried about Benjamin. I do think Zay comes along next year and Thomas is a good addition this year as well. I can see them grabbing a WR in the 2nd to accompany Benjamin. 3 hours ago, snamsnoops said: It was year one of a new regime. A lot of changes\moving parts last year. I believe it is way to early to be overly concerned. McBeane hasn't even drafted a player for this team yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 49 minutes ago, ndirish1978 said: I need to go back and watch Milano more. Is he a legit starter, or just the best we had at the time? I like Milano. He is good in space and I thought he was excellent shooting gaps and blitzing. He was really good at this at BC. I think he needs to improve in coverage a bit. He was really close to a bunch of interceptions and just kind of got moved at the last second by teh quarterback. As his awareness of the game increases, his coverage will be better. I think he was pretty poor taking on blockers and sometimes took some really bad angles. I think he has potential though and has a nose for the ball. Now is he LaVonte David or Telvin Smith? No, but he can be an average starter at the Will and he will make plays. Taking on blocks and working on angles can be improved, as can his awareness in coverage. He can also stand to get stronger. He is much better than I thought he would be after watching him in the preseason. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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