JohnBonhamRocks Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 36 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said: 3rd overall pick: - Based on the new trade chart we would need to give: - 1-22, Future 1st, 2-21, 3-31 If that were the case (and assuming OBD likes QB3 in the draft), then we could pull this trade, and then look to trade back with 1-21 and regain that Future 1st. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndirish1978 Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 1 minute ago, Mat68 said: I dont belive that is a guarantee. If Cleveland lands cousins do they have to pick a Qb at 1? No. You are not paying a Qb 100 plus million and take a Qb number 1 overall. The giants could feel they are alot closer than they apear. Get eli a line and a healthy ODB in a contract year you may trade down to pick up more picks to fix the line thise year and get an extra 1 next year to replace Eli. Those are pretty extreme lines of thinking. Why is Cousins signing with the worst team in pro sports by choice? When is the last time the Giants have picked this high? The last time they had a top 5 pick they drafted Rivers. I don't think they can afford to go another position with an aging QB and good QBs available. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 1 hour ago, JohnBonhamRocks said: Been hearing that the Giants may not draft a QB at #2 because the new regime is OK with Manning for now. If that is the case, and if OBD likes a guy bound to be there, then they should move whatever has to be moved to get there and draft him. I have been saying this forever. For the Bills, Cordy Glenn has to be perceived as being healthy and coming back healthy. Glenn is a huge chip in a deal with the Giants as their GM said priority number one was to fix the OL, even ahead of QB, and they are DESPERATE for quality LT. Glenn certainly fills that Bill. Like I said, a healthy Glenn will go a long way for the Bills, meaning a little less draft capital to give up. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndirish1978 Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 1 minute ago, njbuff said: I have been saying this forever. For the Bills, Cordy Glenn has to be perceived as being healthy and coming back healthy. Glenn is a huge chip in a deal with the Giants as their GM said priority number one was to fix the OL, even ahead of QB, and they are DESPERATE for quality LT. Glenn certainly fills that Bill. Like I said, a healthy Glenn will go a long way for the Bills, meaning a little less draft capital to give up. So Cordy, 21, 22 and a 2nd to move up there? That's a lot of value for an injured LT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat68 Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 3 minutes ago, ndirish1978 said: Those are pretty extreme lines of thinking. Why is Cousins signing with the worst team in pro sports by choice? When is the last time the Giants have picked this high? The last time they had a top 5 pick they drafted Rivers. I don't think they can afford to go another position with an aging QB and good QBs available. Why? He wants the most money and the most guaranteed money. Cleveland has so much cap space they could give cousins a blank check. I 100% believe Cousins goes to whatever teams pay him the most guaranteed money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndirish1978 Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 1 minute ago, Mat68 said: Why? He wants the most money and the most guaranteed money. Cleveland has so much cap space they could give cousins a blank check. I 100% believe Cousins goes to whatever teams pay him the most guaranteed money. I don't. I think he actually wants to win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollars 2 donuts Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 2 hours ago, TheTruthHurts said: Broncos and Browns the target in the top 5. Both 2018 1st's 1 of our 2018 2nd's 2019 1st Tyrod Taylor The Broncos are happy with the QB position on their team? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat68 Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 1 minute ago, ndirish1978 said: I don't. I think he actually wants to win. Then 3 years ago why wouldn't he accept the bridge contract Washington offered? Cleveland can offer so much more money than anyone Would you give up 30 mil guaranteed? No one will Denver doesnt have the cap space to make a mega offer. I could see Cleveland offering the first fully guaranteed deal. 100 to 125 mil over 5 years all guaranteed. Cleveland is desperate, and has so much cap space wicked combo for a Fa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndirish1978 Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 4 minutes ago, Mat68 said: Then 3 years ago why wouldn't he accept the bridge contract Washington offered? Cleveland can offer so much more money than anyone Would you give up 30 mil guaranteed? No one will Denver doesnt have the cap space to make a mega offer. I could see Cleveland offering the first fully guaranteed deal. 100 to 125 mil over 5 years all guaranteed. Cleveland is desperate, and has so much cap space wicked combo for a Fa. And it's in Cleveland's best interest to blow up their cap space on a 30 year old QB rather than taking the best QB in a draft that has good ones and having him on a rookie contract? I doubt it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albillny Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 1 hour ago, mead107 said: 2 - 1s and a second to get Mayfield?? I agree. There is something that is exciting about Mayfield, I think he could be for real. He seems to love the game like Favre did and can make some special plays like Brees does. I know Mayfield has had some off field issues, but I don't think he is a Johnny football type, and coach would take care of that. ...gotta say, I would probably be okay with him planting a Bills flag on Foxboro's 50 yard line after a win there. Though the league might feel differently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 2 hours ago, ProcessTheTrust said: I understand the fears of trading away the farm to get our QB when we have so many other immediate needs. However, watching the Rams and Eagles this year, I can't help but remember how almost everyone laughed at them in 2016 when they paid the following to go get their QBs for the next decade or so: Rams - Gave: 2016 1st, 2 2nds, 3rd, 2017 1st, 3rd Received: 2016 1st overall pick, 4th, 6th Eagles - Gave: 2016 1st, 3rd, 4th, 2017 1st, 2018 2nd Received: 2016 2nd overall pick and a 2017 4th I'm not saying we should make such a dramatic move just because it worked for both the Rams and Eagles so quickly. I'm asking - if Darnold and Rosen come out of the combine with projections of being "the guy" worthy, how much would you be willing to give away to go get them? Yep i will do either package 3 - Firsts Glenn A 2nd and a 4th will get you to Two. And i would do that in a heartbeat to get Rosen or Darnold 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndirish1978 Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 3 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: Yep i will do either package 3 - Firsts Glenn A 2nd and a 4th will get you to Two. And i would do that in a heartbeat to get Rosen or Darnold Do you REALLY want Rosen though? I feel like he has a big mouth and could tank a team that's playing poorly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Joshin' Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 1 hour ago, NewEraBills said: Yeah but are they OK with Manning as a bridge or just OK with Manning as their guy? I see the Giants as, New GM, New Coaching Regime, they are getting their new QB. Exactly. You take the shot. You may not be in that position again. If you wait and draft lower, the cost will be worse if you can make the deal. GMs will be using Cleveland as a case study on what not to do to avoid being fired. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 1 minute ago, ndirish1978 said: Do you REALLY want Rosen though? I feel like he has a big mouth and could tank a team that's playing poorly. I do. He is going to be a top end QB in the league. Still has room to grow too. Put that UCLA team on his back with a trash defense and not mant NFLers on that offense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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DefenseWins Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 If the 1st two QB's (Darnold and Rosen) are unavailable you go for the 3rd or even the 4th best if you think they are franchise QB's.... Indy can use the extra picks and maybe Glenn... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrbojanglezs Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 sign Kirk Cousins stay put at 21/22 and draft Mason Rudolph Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Mrbojanglezs said: sign Kirk Cousins stay put at 21/22 and draft Mason Rudolph IF they sign Cousins, there's no need to spend a 1st round pick on a QB. Edited January 15, 2018 by 26CornerBlitz 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artmalibu Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 Cleveland (0-16) .520 New York Giants (3-13) .531 Indianapolis (4-12) .480 Cleveland - from Houston (4-12) .516 Denver (5-11) .492 New York Jets (5-11) .520 Tampa Bay (5-11) .555 Chicago (5-11) .559 San Francisco (6-10)# .512 Oakland (6-10)# .512 Miami (6-10) .543 Cincinnati (7-9) .465 Washington (7-9) .539 Green Bay (7-9) .539 Arizona (8-8) .488 Baltimore (9-7) .441 Los Angeles Chargers (9-7) .457 Seattle (9-7) .492 Dallas (9-7) .496 Detroit (9-7) .496 Buffalo* (9-7) .492 Buffalo - The question is how far up can the bills get and who will be left. I see picks 1 and 2 being QBs so how much do you give up to take the 3rd best prospect? Plus with denver and the jets being right up there I see it being a tough deal to make. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albillny Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 Just now, 26CornerBlitz said: IF the sign Cousins, there's no need to spend a 1st round pick on a QB. Sure there is. We need to hedge our bets. Don't forget Cousins was drafted in the fourth round the year RG III was drafted in the first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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