twoandfourteen Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, grb said: There's a whole lot of stupid in this post. Let's just hit some highlights : "Airmailed the game winning TD pass to Zay Jones" Jones ran an awful route and made an embarrassingly clumsy play on the ball. But worst by far, he had zero idea where the pass was until it was right on top of him, and couldn't make the slightest adjustment to the ball. That's not the way wide-outs run 40yd routes in the NFL - or college, or high school (for that matter). "Once he was comfortably down 34-7 against the Jets, he was able to pad the stats in "Tyrod Time". In the first-half of the Jets game Taylor was 11-14, 79% completion, 115 yrds, 8.21 ypa, and a TD pass. And (of course) no interceptions. This despite the fact he was being hammered by a pass rush pouring thru the o-line like water thru a grate. "And if the kid went in there and lit it up, McD would have looked like a genius and you would all be sleeping in Peterman jerseys right now." And if I win the lottery tonight, won't I be happy? "I would bet that there were quite a few players in the locker room who were absolutely consulted and supportive of that decision" Observations : (1) Contrary evidence seem to bother you, which is not good. (2) I hope you're not a gambler, as you shouldn't bet on the basis of wishful thinking and pure fantasy. I noticed you conveniently failed to address any of the points I made regarding the actual passing production. You saying "Lets just hit some highlights" means "Ol' Uncle 2&14 has made points here that I can not refute." Anyway, let's move on and address your nonsense one line at a time. 1. Taylor is statistically one of the most inaccurate starting QBs in the NFL. He isn't exactly known for throwing pinpoint, timing-based passes. The only throw he has any particular skill for is the ol' "heave & hope" down the sideline. While it is impossible to know exactly what happened on that play, the accuracy numbers, along with Taylor's career body of work strongly point to it being on the QB. 2. Based on his above-average (for him) first half stats, he was on pace for 230 yards and 2 TDs. He ended up with 285 yards and 3 TDs -- 2 passing, 1 rushing in the final few minutes of the 4th quarter. 285 is more than 230, right? Then add in two very late TDs against a team that was up by 27. That is the literal definition of "padding the stats". 3. I would think so. Still doesn't make me wrong. 4. I'm going to make an assumption here -- so forgive me if I'm wrong -- but I'm going to assume that you really don't have much experience in a management or leadership capacity. To think that McD made a seismic decision like that without at least gauging the temperature of the team leaders is ridiculous. A decision like that does not get made without some input from key stakeholders. I would be willing to bet that there were several players (WR's and the defense, maybe?) that had reached a point of frustration with Taylor and were willing to try anything at that point. The fact that the team rebounded so quickly and easily from it says to me that many in that locker room were on board with some kind of change at QB. Had it been some kind of rogue, knee-jerk move by McD -- there would have been some sign of unrest and displeasure coming out of the locker room. This is all based on conjecture, of course. But it makes the most sense when one uses common sense and operates in reality. Edited January 3, 2018 by twoandfourteen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfan1972 Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 And remember 40% here still wanted Peterman right back in vs. KC..... Think there was a poll somewhere. As stated I think McDermott and certainly Dennison wanted him back in, but fortunately the performance was so atrocious that they had no choice at all (though waited 'til Wednesday to announce it)...... Just listening to Bill Simmons call the Bills one of the worst playoff teams ever and pointing out all the luck they had during the season...... I know everyone hates him...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 4 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said: And remember 40% here still wanted Peterman right back in vs. KC..... Think there was a poll somewhere. As stated I think McDermott and certainly Dennison wanted him back in, but fortunately the performance was so atrocious that they had no choice at all (though waited 'til Wednesday to announce it)...... Just listening to Bill Simmons call the Bills one of the worst playoff teams ever and pointing out all the luck they had during the season...... I know everyone hates him...... really? was this really said, or are you throwing out nonsense because this is the way you feel because of the watkins trade, and want to validate is some how. as mentioned yesterday, the seahawks made the playoffs with a losing record. that's right...7-9, but yet bills simmons thinks the bills are, "one of the worst playoff teams ever". i call fabrications. just stop already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twoandfourteen Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 9 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said: And remember 40% here still wanted Peterman right back in vs. KC..... Think there was a poll somewhere. As stated I think McDermott and certainly Dennison wanted him back in, but fortunately the performance was so atrocious that they had no choice at all (though waited 'til Wednesday to announce it)...... Just listening to Bill Simmons call the Bills one of the worst playoff teams ever and pointing out all the luck they had during the season...... I know everyone hates him...... Statistically, he's not wrong and they absolutely did. Sometimes it's better to be lucky than to be good. I can't stand Simmons, so count me in the "hate" column. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 7 hours ago, Teddy KGB said: Disclaimer : none of this was actually said. Getting curb stomped by Josh Mccown then no showing at home vs Saints as you lead the 3rd worst offense in the 2018 NFL season will get you benched. 26’s war against accountability rages on. 140 yards and 1 TD is nowhere near getting curb stomped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 Just now, Teddy KGB said: What about a 34-7 deficit to a 5-11 team ? One more score needed to classify as curb stomping ? What does that have to do with McClown? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 1 minute ago, Scott7975 said: What does that have to do with McClown? He is the jets qb. He went up 27 points with 5 mins left. ??♂️ 12 minutes ago, teef said: really? was this really said, or are you throwing out nonsense because this is the way you feel because of the watkins trade, and want to validate is some how. as mentioned yesterday, the seahawks made the playoffs with a losing record. that's right...7-9, but yet bills simmons thinks the bills are, "one of the worst playoff teams ever". i call fabrications. just stop already. Simmons knows the bills offense is terrible. He picked us to lose to the dolphins. Watching all the no shows vs the pats should make him formulate that opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 6 hours ago, Dadonkadonk said: 9 wins. Playoff QB. And in 5 days it will be 10 wins and join Kelly, Ferguson, Reich, and Kemp as only playoff winning QBs. And none of that had to do with the reason he was Benched in LA does it 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racketmaster Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 There are some things to like about NP and I am not ready to write him off just yet. I am a fan of Taylor and don't want to just hand the job to NP, but if he earns it next year then good for him. Plenty of rookie qbs struggle and he had last than ideal circumstances to start first game. He looked more comfortable in the snow game but it is hard to tell much from that game because of the conditions. One thing the SD game showed was that Taylor does cover up for some of the pass blocking deficiencies. He keeps defenses to more disciplined rushes and is more equipped to make defenders miss when they do get thru the line. But another year in the system and NP might take another step. If nothing else, he is a solid NFL backup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfan1972 Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 (edited) 51 minutes ago, teef said: really? was this really said, or are you throwing out nonsense because this is the way you feel because of the watkins trade, and want to validate is some how. as mentioned yesterday, the seahawks made the playoffs with a losing record. that's right...7-9, but yet bills simmons thinks the bills are, "one of the worst playoff teams ever". i call fabrications. just stop already. Yes listening again...... Having fun about the 4 way tie-breaker (and Cleveland being the reason Buffalo is in according to them) and barely beating Fales...... About 10:30 minutes in, but you hate him. I like him, a little too Boston-centric but he is a FAN......... Oh and also considered Peterman's qb/performance as the worst of the year (maybe all time)....... Edited January 3, 2018 by Billsfan1972 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 9 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said: Yes listening again...... Having fun about the 4 way tie-breaker (and Cleveland being the reason Buffalo is in according to them) and barely beating Fales...... About 10:30 minutes in, but you hate him. I like him, a little too Boston-centric but he is a FAN......... i can honestly say that i've never heard a single minute of his show, so i don't like or hate him at all. to even say that's absurd. why are you trying so hard to discredit what this team has done? are they playoff giants? of course not, but you're acting like the bills don't deserved to be there at all because of how you feel about personnel decision this staff has made. it's childish. but hey, if stretching, (i can guarantee what you're saying isn't totally true...you have made things up in the past) what was said gets you through the day, have at it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay_Fixit Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 1 hour ago, Billsfan1972 said: And remember 40% here still wanted Peterman right back in vs. KC..... Think there was a poll somewhere. As stated I think McDermott and certainly Dennison wanted him back in, but fortunately the performance was so atrocious that they had no choice at all (though waited 'til Wednesday to announce it)...... Just listening to Bill Simmons call the Bills one of the worst playoff teams ever and pointing out all the luck they had during the season...... I know everyone hates him...... Simmons isn’t really wrong, but he’s knows less about football than most people on here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ol Dirty B Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 3 hours ago, twoandfourteen said: Don't forget.... 74 yards passing going into the final drive at Carolina. Airmailed the game winning TD pass to Zay Jones. 65 yards passing against New England, who had the worst pass defense in football. Once he was comfortably down 34-7 against the Jets, he was able to pad the stats in "Tyrod Time". BUT HE ONLY TURNED THE BALL OVER ONCE IN THOSE 4 GAMES!!!!!U!)*Y!(*^!(&T! The national media & #teamtyrod's Peterman/McDermott take is literally the laziest & most uninformed opinion possible. And if the kid went in there and lit it up, McD would have looked like a genius and you would all be sleeping in Peterman jerseys right now. No one knew what would happen going into that game, and I would bet that there were quite a few players in the locker room who were absolutely consulted and supportive of that decision. Taylor's inability to run even a barely functional passing offense against teams other than the Dolphins put Peterman in the conversation. McDermott was 100% correct and justified pulling Tyrod Taylor. None of this is right. McDermott was wrong. He threw 5 ints. You don't know who was consulted in the locker room and quite honestly, I don't care who was or of they were. It's not lazy, it's a fact he was 100% wrong playing Peterman. Why we are still having this debate or someone would want to just clearly be wrong, I don't understand. They made the playoffs, he made a bad decision. Let's just move on. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twoandfourteen Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 8 minutes ago, Ol Dirty B said: None of this is right. McDermott was wrong. He threw 5 ints. You don't know who was consulted in the locker room and quite honestly, I don't care who was or of they were. It's not lazy, it's a fact he was 100% wrong playing Peterman. Why we are still having this debate or someone would want to just clearly be wrong, I don't understand. They made the playoffs, he made a bad decision. Let's just move on. Let's do this one more time. Pay attention. When evaluating a decision, you can only look at the information available at the time the decision was made. At the time, McD had a starting QB that was incapable of doing his job. To that point in the season, Taylor's body of work was poor and borderline terrible in multiple games. The Saints game was unacceptable by any measure and something had to be done. Period. That is where he was when Peterman got the call. The result of the decision was an unfortunate disaster. However, that doesn't mean that he was stupid or incompetent for making it. Tyrod Taylor put them in the position where they had no other choice but to make a change. Now, maybe you knew for certain that Peterman was going to throw 5 picks. If that's the case, then it's on you for not taking your crystal ball down to OBD to give McD a heads up. All I ask is that you use your powers of clairvoyance for good, not evil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 28 minutes ago, Ol Dirty B said: None of this is right. McDermott was wrong. He threw 5 ints. You don't know who was consulted in the locker room and quite honestly, I don't care who was or of they were. It's not lazy, it's a fact he was 100% wrong playing Peterman. Why we are still having this debate or someone would want to just clearly be wrong, I don't understand. They made the playoffs, he made a bad decision. Let's just move on. The reasoning to pull Taylor wasn't wrong IMO. We had to do something to get life in our passing game. It was as bad as bad can get. The results were a disaster...yes of course. However I can't blame McDermott wanting to take a shot to improve the worst passing team in the league. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulus Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 (edited) I really think the move was the correct one, regardless of what the Steven A. Smiths of the world say. TT had like 66 yards passing in the two prior games and the OL was sieve. TT got a fire placed under his bum and he responded just enough to get us to the playoffs. I swear people just say stuff to hear themselves speak. Regret the decision? No. Regret the outcome? Maybe. I mean, I think it lit a fire under the OL & TT's bum. Edited January 3, 2018 by Paulus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 2 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: The reasoning to pull Taylor wasn't wrong IMO. We had to do something to get life in our passing game. It was as bad as bad can get. The results were a disaster...yes of course. However I can't blame McDermott wanting to take a shot to improve the worst passing team in the league. eric woods was on sirius nfl the other day talking about this. i know you have to take it with a grain of salt when discussing something like this with the national media, but he claimed he, (and the team) were shocked by the move, but completely understood it. he said he had respect for mcd because he was willing to shake things up to win. i'm obviously paraphrasing, but this was the gist of it. it ended in disaster, but we can understand why the move was attempted. woods also specifically mentioned that fans don't see peterman play in practice like the other players/coaches do. maybe peterman is fantastic in practice? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 1 minute ago, teef said: eric woods was on sirius nfl the other day talking about this. i know you have to take it with a grain of salt when discussing something like this with the national media, but he claimed he, (and the team) were shocked by the move, but completely understood it. he said he had respect for mcd because he was willing to shake things up to win. i'm obviously paraphrasing, but this was the gist of it. it ended in disaster, but we can understand why the move was attempted. woods also specifically mentioned that fans don't see peterman play in practice like the other players/coaches do. maybe peterman is fantastic in practice? Yes. The entire offense watches film and these players aren't a bunch of idiots...they can see what was holding the offense back. Sal C says that 2nd bolded part all the time. McDermott isn't clueless like some people will argue....if Peterman looked so poorly in practice he wasn't going to put him in a game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 2 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: Yes. The entire offense watches film and these players aren't a bunch of idiots...they can see what was holding the offense back. Sal C says that 2nd bolded part all the time. McDermott isn't clueless like some people will argue....if Peterman looked so poorly in practice he wasn't going to put him in a game. Paging Allen Iverson! Mr. Allen Iverson! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 1 minute ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Paging Allen Iverson! Mr. Allen Iverson! I think we both know these don't correlate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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