BuffaloHokie13 Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 21 hours ago, Tatonka68 said: How many picks xould you trade for Brady or Rodgers? Answer ALL of them. Would it be great to have a great QB like Kelly again. More realistically, how many picks would you trade for Wentz or Goff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBill Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 We can only hope the Bills and KC lose out the rest of the way this season 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metzelaars_lives Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 1 hour ago, MAJBobby said: Go get Rosen. Also Allen will go in top 5 QBs Yes, he will. Whatever his stock is right now, will only increase at the combine. In fact, he will see the biggest raise in his stock at the combine of any QB in the draft. Did anyone see the throw Wentz made last night? That's EXACTLY what Allen brings to the table. He does need to fine tune some things but you are correct, he will absolutely be in the top 5 QB's taken. Kiper and McShay haven't wavered on that point for one second all season. 42 minutes ago, rodneykm said: Love the idea of paying for Cousins and upgrading the OL with one of those 2 picks in the first round. The offensive line is fine. The scheme sucks. You could conceivably have Glenn, Incognito, Wood, Groy and Dawkins as your line next year. That's an elite line. They're gonna need to go front seven with at least two, if not three, of those first four picks. 43 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: I am Ok with paying Cousins however it hurts more if your wrong than any trade up for a young Rookie contract QB will I would be super psyched if they got Cousins but a) it's not happening and b) it's literally a $20 million+ difference per season vs. drafting your guy in the first round. Far more likely they go that route. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Vader Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 According to this website, the Bills pick 18th & 21st. http://www.tankathon.com/nfl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metzelaars_lives Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 9 minutes ago, MTBill said: I think there will be serviceable vet QBs available. Use the picks to build a foundation. Get a friggin' O-line and D-line. Maybe trade another vet or two for young solid players. This team is not going to win with Ducasse & Mills on the Right Side.... Neither of those guys should be starting right now with the personnel they currently have. Plus they really like McDermott. Plus they paid decent money for Groy, who they inexplicably don't use. There is absolutely zero reason to panic as far as the OL is concerned. They're fine there. They're gonna need two starting linebackers, which is a far more pressing concern. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xxxxxxxx Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 1 hour ago, Tatonka68 said: 15th pick is worth 1050 points and the 20th pick is worth 850 points. The 1900 points would be worth the 4th pick in the draft PLUS a 4th rounder. JUST DO IT! I'm on board with this. San Francisco, the Bears, and the Colts will all be looking to trade down. And at the very least we should at least force the Jets to waste a number 1 pick to trade up to number 2, if they want to go QB. San Francisco seriously looks like they've played the game the smartest, right now. No freaking way they stay and take a RB at two given the amount of 1st and 2nd round projected QB's that will be available, and the fact that they can potentially net an extra 1st round pick and still get the player that will be best for their team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 42 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: I am Ok with paying Cousins however it hurts more if your wrong than any trade up for a young Rookie contract QB will A drafted QB is sooo much cheaper for 4 years. You can build the rest of your team through that, so I'm opposed to signing a FA QB unless the price isn't too high. I'd like to bring someone in to compete with the rookie. Someone like a Chase Daniel, or McCown if the price is right. I say focus on the QB this year in what looks like a solid deep class. Use other picks this year to focus on the offensive and defensive lines. With KW likely done - and the mediocre play of our O-line, it's pretty clear we are going to need upgrades along those areas. Protecting your new asset should be a top priority. The young QBs who are succeeding right now have had hefty investments on the oline (Dallas, LAR, Philly, Oakland etc). After that- getting after the QB is like the 2nd most important part of football, so keep going after pass rushers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tatonka68 Posted December 4, 2017 Author Share Posted December 4, 2017 1 minute ago, Jackington said: Or Jameis or Tannehill or Bradford or Bridgewater or RGIII or Weeden Or EJ Manuel or Bortles or Manziel I get wanting a QB, but it's not easy... Your right, but you can dumpster dive and low ball and get, Trent Edwards, Drew Bledsoe, Ryan Fitzpatrick, Tyrod Taylor also. It's a gamble but you got to take it. 19 minutes ago, MTBill said: I think there will be serviceable vet QBs available. Use the picks to build a foundation. Get a friggin' O-line and D-line. Maybe trade another vet or two for young solid players. This team is not going to win with Ducasse & Mills on the Right Side.... Like have done the past decade. Screw that isn't 17 years of drought enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xxxxxxxx Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 (edited) 6 minutes ago, dneveu said: A drafted QB is sooo much cheaper for 4 years. You can build the rest of your team through that, so I'm opposed to signing a FA QB unless the price isn't too high. I'd like to bring someone in to compete with the rookie. Someone like a Chase Daniel, or McCown if the price is right. I say focus on the QB this year in what looks like a solid deep class. Use other picks this year to focus on the offensive and defensive lines. With KW likely done - and the mediocre play of our O-line, it's pretty clear we are going to need upgrades along those areas. Protecting your new asset should be a top priority. The young QBs who are succeeding right now have had hefty investments on the oline (Dallas, LAR, Philly, Oakland etc). After that- getting after the QB is like the 2nd most important part of football, so keep going after pass rushers. Exactly. Having a franchise QB on a 4 year rookie deal with cap space is exactly what this team needs to make a serious push in 2019 or 2020. When Brady will likely have retired. Its a risk, for sure, but there is really no better year for them to try, especially with two teams picking early that already have franchise guys in place. Edited December 4, 2017 by MURPHD6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 5 minutes ago, dneveu said: A drafted QB is sooo much cheaper for 4 years. You can build the rest of your team through that, so I'm opposed to signing a FA QB unless the price isn't too high. I'd like to bring someone in to compete with the rookie. Someone like a Chase Daniel, or McCown if the price is right. I say focus on the QB this year in what looks like a solid deep class. Use other picks this year to focus on the offensive and defensive lines. With KW likely done - and the mediocre play of our O-line, it's pretty clear we are going to need upgrades along those areas. Protecting your new asset should be a top priority. The young QBs who are succeeding right now have had hefty investments on the oline (Dallas, LAR, Philly, Oakland etc). After that- getting after the QB is like the 2nd most important part of football, so keep going after pass rushers. Ahh, I'm with the fella who thinks lb is more of an issue than folks are crediting. And please, OBD, look at Sony Michel in the middle rounds. He's your eventual replacement for Shady and a great #2 right out of the gate. But qb has to be the priority. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tatonka68 Posted December 4, 2017 Author Share Posted December 4, 2017 18 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said: More realistically, how many picks would you trade for Wentz or Goff. As many as it takes. 21 minutes ago, Yav said: I don't care what anyone says. I'd rather keep the picks and see if the Bills can land Cousins. The pics are worth more than an unproven rookie QB that more than likely will take most of our top picks to reach for. I'd rather use the pics on DL, OL, LB, WR and pick a RB in the 3rd or 4th. Its time to build a team and have the pieces in place, if they can't land Cousins then get your QB in the next draft after you have the pieces in place to not get the kid killed. If Cousins was that good, why will he be available? Teams do not let good QB's get away, money or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dante Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 On 11/28/2017 at 11:52 AM, Kirby Jackson said: I don’t hate trading up for a QB. I hate trading up for Mason Rudolph. I might be wrong but he’s the guy that I like least of the prospects to go early. Let's secure Baker Mayfield. If it takes our second first round pick to do it lets go. Lets get someone in here with some fire and attitude. Enough is enough. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBillsWestCoast Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 20 minutes ago, BuffaloBill said: We can only hope the Bills and KC lose out the rest of the way this season McDermott did not know Monday if Taylor would be able to play this Sunday against the Indianapolis Colts, but said, "when healthy, Tyrod is our quarterback." McDermott said Monday that it looks good for wide receiver Kelvin Benjamin to practice after missing the past two weeks with a torn meniscus in his knee. The good news is that Tyrod will probably sit for a week, but Benjamin will be back. We should be Indy for self esteem, but losses are more exciting right now. I still see Bills at 8-8. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yav Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 7 minutes ago, Tatonka68 said: As many as it takes. If Cousins was that good, why will he be available? Teams do not let good QB's get away, money or not. Tell that to Denver after they got Manning. NO after they got Drew. San Fran who got Jimmy G. It happens. Cousins would be a good fit for Buffalo and if you can get him as a FA and keep your picks to fill the roster then it s win. There's no guarantee that a rookie will work out. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tatonka68 Posted December 4, 2017 Author Share Posted December 4, 2017 2 minutes ago, Yav said: Tell that to Denver after they got Manning. NO after they got Drew. San Fran who got Jimmy G. It happens. Cousins would be a good fit for Buffalo and if you can get him as a FA and keep your picks to fill the roster then it s win. There's no guarantee that a rookie will work out. Cousins sucks, and at best is average. Enough dumpster diving and low balling. Pony up and get the best. I am not into "making the playoffs", I want rings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBuff423 Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 I'm good with Rudolph, Darnold or Rosen....I don't want to trade up for Mayfield or Allen. I'd also take Finley at 20 if necessary....as for those clamoring for Cousins, that price tag is steep...and consider this: would you rather get a young QB who can be surrounded by FA vets and in their prime guys, or pay for a QB in his prime, with a bunch of young up-and-comers who need to learn the nuances of the game? Chances are, your high-priced new QB will look pedestrian...whereas your young QB will look sublime based on the supporting cast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 On 11/28/2017 at 2:52 PM, Kirby Jackson said: I don’t hate trading up for a QB. I hate trading up for Mason Rudolph. I might be wrong but he’s the guy that I like least of the prospects to go early. Hypothetically I wouldn't have been against trading one of our first round picks and maybe a second or third round pick for Grappolo. The 49ers gave up a second round pick to get him. The Pats have a history of not being afraid to teams in its division if they believe the deal works for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 No more gimmicks! Get me a big tall pocket ready QB in the draft. Connect him with a solid QB Coach and let him learn. Use the rest of the Draft to shore up both the O and D lines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unclepete Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 20 hours ago, HalftimeAdjustment said: Won't Cleveland, Denver, and NYG at least all be looking for quarterbacks? We need to beat Indy and hope they lose out, then trade with them. Very underrated post. Lots of teams loooking to draft a QB early. They probably won’t trade out of the spot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tatonka68 Posted December 4, 2017 Author Share Posted December 4, 2017 (edited) The people who want to sign Cousins and "save the picks" for offensive linemen and defensive backs hope to "make the playoffs" just like Doug Whaley. The People who want to "use" the picks to trade up for a shot at a franchise changing QB want to win Super bowls. Is there anyone who honestly believes Cousins is a Super Bowl quality QB. If so why hasn't Washington gone to the Superbowl? Edited December 4, 2017 by Tatonka68 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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