Best Player Available Posted December 1, 2017 Share Posted December 1, 2017 25 minutes ago, PatsFanNH said: That said im not getting into that rabbit hole on cheating, A lot of teams used sticum. That's what you got? LOL But yes you're correct this is no place for a pats***** fan to discuss cheating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Posted December 1, 2017 Share Posted December 1, 2017 24 minutes ago, PatsFanNH said: OMG they used sticum when he was playing he said that when bashing Brady during deflategate. When they all went " that was illegal" he shut up. That said im not getting into that rabbit hole on cheating, You can't go down that rabbit hole, because you know that they're the only team to actually be caught and penalized by the league for cheating.... Twice! Have the py had unparalleled success...yes. Have they been caught cheating in actual games...yes. Can any one say with any certainty how much advantage their cheating culture actually afforded them...no. They cheated, they won, the entire franchise, and league for allowing it, is tarnished because of it. The only reason the cheating scandals aren't metioned more is because the league controls the NFL Channel and the distribution rights of their games to the other networks that cover the league. In other words, they direct the narrative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Livinginthepast Posted December 1, 2017 Share Posted December 1, 2017 We have been having this discussion all week on here and previous weeks and forever. I personally think Belichick is just a better more focussed Wade Philips without Brady. He's a great coach with many strengths but everything comes down to Brady. The fact that he is respected/feared/hated around the league is just a consequence of being an intelligent guy in a sea of moron, dimwitted coaches. Almost every time Belichick has made odd or bad decisions during games he gets bailed out by Brady. When his team experiences bad luck, Brady makes it right. When events don't go as planned or against him the football Gods intervene and bring up an obscure rule (like the tuck game) but who is the QB? not Bledsoe!! Its Brady!!. When you put Belichick into a chess match with many of these coaches he just lets them make the stupid mistakes that sink them. The Atlanta SB was a perfect example. Dan Quinn's abysmal game management handed the Pats victory. Pete Carrol lets Belichick off the hook by calling a pass play in the 2015 SB at the 1 yard line. The list goes on and on. Great coach but nothing without Brady. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted December 1, 2017 Share Posted December 1, 2017 3 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Long time ago, but history says Paul Brown and Otto Graham are the greatest coach/QB combo. Lombardi and Starr were also dominant. In the modern era, Walsh and Montana are the best IMO. Walsh and Montana are Brady and Belly's whipping boys. 3 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said: BB/TB have barely squeaked by in SB wins, were handed two by SEA and ATL and then there's the whole cheating element. OTOH, BW/JM never lost a SB and generally crushed opponents. All a matter of opinion as both combos have achieved greatly. No so such thing as just squeaked by Lombardi Trophies. They have been to 7 Super Bowls won 5, and not for 2 passes they would have won them all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted December 1, 2017 Share Posted December 1, 2017 3 hours ago, SaviorPeterman said: Hoodie and Brady are the GOAT period, not just in the NFL but all pro sports. Yes it sucks as Bills fans to have to watch this given our own circumstances the last 17 years and the Pats being in the same division but we'll never see something like this again and it has to be respected no matter how much you love or hate the Patriots. McDermott and Mayfield (has a nice ring to it doesn't it) 10 Super Bowls coming up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanNH Posted December 1, 2017 Share Posted December 1, 2017 56 minutes ago, Dan said: You can't go down that rabbit hole, because you know that they're the only team to actually be caught and penalized by the league for cheating.... Twice! Have the py had unparalleled success...yes. Have they been caught cheating in actual games...yes. Can any one say with any certainty how much advantage their cheating culture actually afforded them...no. They cheated, they won, the entire franchise, and league for allowing it, is tarnished because of it. The only reason the cheating scandals aren't metioned more is because the league controls the NFL Channel and the distribution rights of their games to the other networks that cover the league. In other words, they direct the narrative. The only team be caught by the league? Really? I am not getting into it because you all have blinders on and BELIEVE your team is perfect and plays by the rules. The fact is EVERY TEAM has been caught cheating in one way or another. They all lost draft picks (like Dallas and Denver etc) been fined. (Jets) or officially reprimanded. Also Sticum WAS AND IS illegal and the 49ers used it to get a competitive advantage. Every team is looking for an advantage when they play, fact that some have to go and THINK that only one has ever been caught cheating is being delusional. Truth be told BOTH infractions were MINOR and blown out of proportion because of WHO it was. Spygate -- taping in the WRONG location. Was illegal but wasn't the taping but the local. Deflategate -- Hell the NFL has no proof deflation didn't happen naturally. You have anacdotal evidence like a guy going pee with the ball and in their for 90 seconds. And some text messages from 2 employees.. (mind you neither one ever had a text to or from Brady). Then the super intelligent will say "Brady smashed his phone proves guilt". Nope, Brett Favre refused give over his person phone got fined 50k and he was sending pictures of his junk to a reporter and they had the proof already! Now thats all all I am saying as I know I won't convince you as you won't convince me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted December 1, 2017 Share Posted December 1, 2017 2 minutes ago, PatsFanNH said: The only team be caught by the league? Really? I am not getting into it because you all have blinders on and BELIEVE your team is perfect and plays by the rules. The fact is EVERY TEAM has been caught cheating in one way or another. They all lost draft picks (like Dallas and Denver etc) been fined. (Jets) or officially reprimanded. Also Sticum WAS AND IS illegal and the 49ers used it to get a competitive advantage. Every team is looking for an advantage when they play, fact that some have to go and THINK that only one has ever been caught cheating is being delusional. Truth be told BOTH infractions were MINOR and blown out of proportion because of WHO it was. Spygate -- taping in the WRONG location. Was illegal but wasn't the taping but the local. Deflategate -- Hell the NFL has no proof deflation didn't happen naturally. You have anacdotal evidence like a guy going pee with the ball and in their for 90 seconds. And some text messages from 2 employees.. (mind you neither one ever had a text to or from Brady). Then the super intelligent will say "Brady smashed his phone proves guilt". Nope, Brett Favre refused give over his person phone got fined 50k and he was sending pictures of his junk to a reporter and they had the proof already! Now thats all all I am saying as I know I won't convince you as you won't convince me. The Bills have never cheated Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanNH Posted December 1, 2017 Share Posted December 1, 2017 3 minutes ago, Buffalo Barbarian said: The Bills have never cheated ? well that is possible, maybe they should break the drought.. ? band I kid before God anyone goes off on how they want their team be morally superior. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted December 1, 2017 Share Posted December 1, 2017 Just now, PatsFanNH said: ? well that is possible, maybe they should break the drought.. ? band I kid before God anyone goes off on how they want their team be morally superior. The Church of McDermott Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GETTOTHE50 Posted December 1, 2017 Share Posted December 1, 2017 (edited) 3 hours ago, SaviorPeterman said: Hoodie and Brady are the GOAT period, not just in the NFL but all pro sports. Yes it sucks as Bills fans to have to watch this given our own circumstances the last 17 years and the Pats being in the same division but we'll never see something like this again and it has to be respected no matter how much you love or hate the Patriots. just come out of the closet already and say youre a patriots fan trolling the board since you have no life. Edited December 1, 2017 by GETTOTHE50 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaviorPeterman Posted December 1, 2017 Share Posted December 1, 2017 18 minutes ago, GETTOTHE50 said: just come out of the closet already and say youre a patriots fan trolling the board since you have no life. Respecting what NE has done doesn't make me a pats fan. Again, we are privy to something truly special. Not saying all Bills fans need to embrace it and enjoy because I certainly don't and can't wait until it's all over. But at the end of the day nothing is changing the fact that BB and Brady are the GOAT even if they never make it to another SB again or win one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Posted December 1, 2017 Share Posted December 1, 2017 2 hours ago, PatsFanNH said: The only team be caught by the league? Really? I am not getting into it because you all have blinders on and BELIEVE your team is perfect and plays by the rules. The fact is EVERY TEAM has been caught cheating in one way or another. They all lost draft picks (like Dallas and Denver etc) been fined. (Jets) or officially reprimanded. Also Sticum WAS AND IS illegal and the 49ers used it to get a competitive advantage. Every team is looking for an advantage when they play, fact that some have to go and THINK that only one has ever been caught cheating is being delusional. Truth be told BOTH infractions were MINOR and blown out of proportion because of WHO it was. Spygate -- taping in the WRONG location. Was illegal but wasn't the taping but the local. Deflategate -- Hell the NFL has no proof deflation didn't happen naturally. You have anacdotal evidence like a guy going pee with the ball and in their for 90 seconds. And some text messages from 2 employees.. (mind you neither one ever had a text to or from Brady). Then the super intelligent will say "Brady smashed his phone proves guilt". Nope, Brett Favre refused give over his person phone got fined 50k and he was sending pictures of his junk to a reporter and they had the proof already! Now thats all all I am saying as I know I won't convince you as you won't convince me. The ole... Everyone does it, not just us defense followed by the well it wasn't really cheating because you don't have someone with a signed affidavit saying, yes I cheated. Look I would love for your team to have not cheated to win games, it would make me feel better about the league that has done more to cover it up than to prevent it from happening again. But, the fact of the matter is simple... You can say everyone does it, you can say it was no big deal, but it was your team that did it and did it for years.. May even still be cheating for all we know.... And so all that greatness that you'll forever cherish carries with it a certain taint that you can rationalize, but we all know it's still there. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted December 1, 2017 Share Posted December 1, 2017 6 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Long time ago, but history says Paul Brown and Otto Graham are the greatest coach/QB combo. Lombardi and Starr were also dominant. In the modern era, Walsh and Montana are the best IMO. Staubach and Landry 6 hours ago, plenzmd1 said: I cant comment on the first two combo's, just a bit before my time, but I will take BB/TB over BW/JM really based a ton on the salary cap and free agency. I just think they are doing it in a much tougher era for prolonged success, and over a longer period of time. Cheating helps. I don't even consider them when picking the greatests. They're tainted. Always will be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted December 1, 2017 Author Share Posted December 1, 2017 1 minute ago, reddogblitz said: Staubach and Landry I'd put Noll and Bradshaw ahead of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted December 1, 2017 Share Posted December 1, 2017 Just now, 26CornerBlitz said: I'd put Noll and Bradshaw ahead of them. Yeah well, I can see you're point, but I'm holding where I'm at. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted December 1, 2017 Share Posted December 1, 2017 6 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Long time ago, but history says Paul Brown and Otto Graham are the greatest coach/QB combo. Lombardi and Starr were also dominant. In the modern era, Walsh and Montana are the best IMO. And none were ever punished for cheating. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanNH Posted December 1, 2017 Share Posted December 1, 2017 30 minutes ago, Dan said: The ole... Everyone does it, not just us defense followed by the well it wasn't really cheating because you don't have someone with a signed affidavit saying, yes I cheated. Look I would love for your team to have not cheated to win games, it would make me feel better about the league that has done more to cover it up than to prevent it from happening again. But, the fact of the matter is simple... You can say everyone does it, you can say it was no big deal, but it was your team that did it and did it for years.. May even still be cheating for all we know.... And so all that greatness that you'll forever cherish carries with it a certain taint that you can rationalize, but we all know it's still there. Ahh the old they must have cheated because the NFL said so.. and we know the NFL aid never wrong. Please see Elliot, Ezikial about that! I will laugh at fans like YOU when the Bills get caught in a huge scandal, and tell the other fans to chill most intelligent fans can see threw the crap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Posted December 1, 2017 Share Posted December 1, 2017 20 minutes ago, PatsFanNH said: Ahh the old they must have cheated because the NFL said so.. and we know the NFL aid never wrong. Please see Elliot, Ezikial about that! I will laugh at fans like YOU when the Bills get caught in a huge scandal, and tell the other fans to chill most intelligent fans can see threw the crap. I'm a life long fan of the Bills and I've seen more lousy football played by this team than I care to admit sometimes. I'll probably even being watching them get embarrassed again this Sunday. I'm not sure anything could make me not want to watch, read about, and whole heartedly pray for them to do well. But... If they're ever proven to be doing things like your team has been proven to have done - to directly cheat in a game; I would stop supporting them and certainly defending them. ...at least until an entire FO, coaching and roster turn over. When something is wrong, it's wrong. I don't try to rationalize and dismiss it to suite my interests. But, maybe that's just me and why I'm a nobody on a message board and not a millionaire doing all I can to get ahead. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted December 2, 2017 Share Posted December 2, 2017 8 hours ago, plenzmd1 said: Lets face it, the combination of BB and TB is the best there ever was in the NFL. No way around it. Now, I think Brady alone would have still been the GOAT, but not so sure if BB would be the GOAT without Brady, especially in this QB driven Era. Even without Brady, BB probably top 5 all time. Love the way he attacks, changes game plans loved the eligible/ineligible stuff in the Ravens game, loved going for it on 4th and 2 even though it did not work,.guy just out thinks most coaches. Always amazes me when still lapses into NFL coach think sometimes, and that would be only reason why he may not be the GOAT..he knows better, but can still have those brainfarts Funny. I think the opposite. I think Belichick is the GOAT and that without him, Brady would be great but not nearly as great. I think, for instance, that Brady would be killed if he were on the Bills. Belichick has his amazing offense that he runs, or has Brady run, but he has consistently found 5-8 OL each year who pass block tremendously for TB. He gets guys that fit his system on offense and defense. He outcoaches every coach in game plans on both sides of the ball. I think with crappy coaching and lousy blocking, Brady would get abused, however great a passer he is. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Posted December 2, 2017 Share Posted December 2, 2017 17 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said: Funny. I think the opposite. I think Belichick is the GOAT and that without him, Brady would be great but not nearly as great. I think, for instance, that Brady would be killed if he were on the Bills. Belichick has his amazing offense that he runs, or has Brady run, but he has consistently found 5-8 OL each year who pass block tremendously for TB. He gets guys that fit his system on offense and defense. He outcoaches every coach in game plans on both sides of the ball. I think with crappy coaching and lousy blocking, Brady would get abused, however great a passer he is. And for evidence of your statement, you only have to look at the 2 times Brady missed games. They went 11-5 and 3-1. So yeah, he's good and runs that offense, but...when he's not there they don't miss him near as much as the Pack miss Rodgers, for example. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted December 2, 2017 Share Posted December 2, 2017 13 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said: Funny. I think the opposite. I think Belichick is the GOAT and that without him, Brady would be great but not nearly as great. I think, for instance, that Brady would be killed if he were on the Bills. Belichick has his amazing offense that he runs, or has Brady run, but he has consistently found 5-8 OL each year who pass block tremendously for TB. He gets guys that fit his system on offense and defense. He outcoaches every coach in game plans on both sides of the ball. I think with crappy coaching and lousy blocking, Brady would get abused, however great a passer he is. In my view both are GOAT in their respective roles. BB is the best coach in modern times who tailors his game plan to the team he is playing each weak. He is also a demanding coach who requires a certain type of player who can grasp the constantly changing script weak to weak and within the game itself. What makes Brady special is his out of this world competitiveness and incomparable work preparation, in season and out of season. The relationship between player and coach is often contentious but what is unique about it is that Brady who is not only the best player on his team but also the league yet is receptive to being coached hard. Who is more important? I would say that they are intertwined and give each of them their due. I have nothing but respect and admiration for the both of them although I find BB's act to be very tiresome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted December 2, 2017 Share Posted December 2, 2017 9 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Long time ago, but history says Paul Brown and Otto Graham are the greatest coach/QB combo. Lombardi and Starr were also dominant. In the modern era, Walsh and Montana are the best IMO. 30+ years ago is the modern era? How old ARE you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Maiden Posted December 2, 2017 Share Posted December 2, 2017 What is really impressive about NE is the longevity of their run.....Most dynasties last 5-6 years...theirs is going on and on and on...17 years is mind boggling.....15 division title, 11 AFCC appearances, 7 SBs appearances and 5 trophies.....good chance they make the AFCC game again this year.....we've never seen anything like it...and I hope we don't ever again...I truly think NE is hurting the NFL overall....we always hear that dynasties are good for sports...when it reaches that length of time, it ends up being a bad thing.....they've been good for so long that a lot of fans from other AFC teams are just starting to simply don't care...knowing your team has no shot even before the season start is not a good thing for the league.......Brady needs to retire...what else does he need to prove anyways? ...he is widely recognized as the GOAT...got a crap load of cash, a supermodel wife...I mean c'mon.....just leave already.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted December 2, 2017 Share Posted December 2, 2017 11 hours ago, BuffaloHokie13 said: Nope. Just Game Winning Drives. Learned that right here on this board! Get along by, y'ol rascal you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THEHARDTRUTH Posted December 2, 2017 Share Posted December 2, 2017 6 hours ago, PatsFanNH said: Ahh the old they must have cheated because the NFL said so.. and we know the NFL aid never wrong. Please see Elliot, Ezikial about that! I will laugh at fans like YOU when the Bills get caught in a huge scandal, and tell the other fans to chill most intelligent fans can see threw the crap. Who threw the crap? Did it hit anyone? Not a very nice thing to do if you ask me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jared Posted December 2, 2017 Share Posted December 2, 2017 8 hours ago, Dan said: The ole... lol projection. You ignored everything he said because you have no response. Spygate was proper punishment not because of competitive advantage but because of hubris. The league office sent out a memo saying "don't do this." Pats did it, got punished. But Deflategate aka Ballghazi? The Wells Report, with science commissioned from a firm that exists to gin up reports for polluters and tobacco companies, basically had to claim the head ref from the game was lying, because if he wasn't, then all the measurements exactly matched the Ideal Gas Law. You can't prove ****, because there isn't **** to prove. Look, I get it, it sucks to lose. It sucked to be a Pats fan before Bledsoe/Tuna. We had glimmers of hope that were mercilessly stomped out. But living in a delusional world isn't healthy bro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bing Bong Posted December 2, 2017 Share Posted December 2, 2017 18 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said: BB/TB have barely squeaked by in SB wins, were handed two by SEA and ATL and then there's the whole cheating element. OTOH, BW/JM never lost a SB and generally crushed opponents. All a matter of opinion as both combos have achieved greatly. BB/TB have just won so much more games regardless. I hate Bill more than the next guy, and certainly believe Tom Brady is the real driver here, but this long period of dominance has never happened before. 9 hours ago, joesixpack said: 30+ years ago is the modern era? How old ARE you? huh? yeah 1980s is modern era. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted December 2, 2017 Author Share Posted December 2, 2017 2 minutes ago, PetermanThrew5Picks said: BB/TB have just won so much more games regardless. I hate Bill more than the next guy, and certainly believe Tom Brady is the real driver here, but this long period of dominance has never happened before. huh? yeah 1980s is modern era. I have seen longevity without dominance. The one year they were dominant, they lost the SB to finish 18-1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bing Bong Posted December 2, 2017 Share Posted December 2, 2017 1 minute ago, 26CornerBlitz said: I have seen longevity without dominance. The one year they were dominant, they lost the SB to finish 18-1. Dominance as defined by longevity I guess. Even still just more wins as a pair than BW/JM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted December 2, 2017 Author Share Posted December 2, 2017 Just now, PetermanThrew5Picks said: Dominance as defined by longevity I guess. Even still just more wins as a pair than BW/JM. Not in my opnion with such an easy road via the incompetent AFC East. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bing Bong Posted December 2, 2017 Share Posted December 2, 2017 3 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Not in my opnion with such an easy road via the incompetent AFC East. true but they also always breeze through playoffs, seems like the ravens were the only team that gave them a hard time in the playoffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted December 2, 2017 Author Share Posted December 2, 2017 Just now, PetermanThrew5Picks said: true but they also always breeze through playoffs, seems like the ravens were the only team that gave them a hard time in the playoffs. They have fattened up so much that the division will next year be renamed the AFC Feast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bing Bong Posted December 2, 2017 Share Posted December 2, 2017 6 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: They have fattened up so much that the division will next year be renamed the AFC Feast. Best team since the Brady era? Rex's 2010 Jets IMO. Makes me sick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanNH Posted December 2, 2017 Share Posted December 2, 2017 14 hours ago, Dan said: I'm a life long fan of the Bills and I've seen more lousy football played by this team than I care to admit sometimes. I'll probably even being watching them get embarrassed again this Sunday. I'm not sure anything could make me not want to watch, read about, and whole heartedly pray for them to do well. But... If they're ever proven to be doing things like your team has been proven to have done - to directly cheat in a game; I would stop supporting them and certainly defending them. ...at least until an entire FO, coaching and roster turn over. When something is wrong, it's wrong. I don't try to rationalize and dismiss it to suite my interests. But, maybe that's just me and why I'm a nobody on a message board and not a millionaire doing all I can to get ahead. Proven that my team has done? WhT was Proven? That they taped from the wrong location? OMG the horror!! Or the balls were deflated? Wait that was DISPROVEN BY SCIENCE. Again, I wasn't calling your fandom into question but your ability see past obvious BS by the league... but let the hate run threw you.. we love it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Maiden Posted December 2, 2017 Share Posted December 2, 2017 3 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Not in my opnion with such an easy road via the incompetent AFC East. Their winning % is the same out side of the division...they win roughly 80% of their games not matter who they play....In a league designed for parity....it's as dominant as dominant can be.....all that with free agency and drafting consistently in the last spots....15 straight year with 10 wins....if it's not dominance, I don't know what is..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted December 2, 2017 Author Share Posted December 2, 2017 1 minute ago, Iron Maiden said: Their winning % is the same out side of the division...they win roughly 80% of their games not matter who they play....In a league designed for parity....it's as dominant as dominant can be.....all that with free agency and drafting consistently in the last spots....15 straight year with 10 wins....if it's not dominance, I don't know what is..... I guess you don't from my perspective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Maiden Posted December 2, 2017 Share Posted December 2, 2017 3 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: I guess you don't from my perspective. Simple question...has there been a better team year in and year our since 2001 ?.....that's why I think they are " dominant "....and it's not even close..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted December 2, 2017 Author Share Posted December 2, 2017 Just now, Iron Maiden said: Simple question...has there been a better team year in and year our since 2001 ?.....that's why I think they are " dominant "....and it's not even close..... I've already explained why I don't call them dominant. You have a different perspective and that's fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Maiden Posted December 2, 2017 Share Posted December 2, 2017 (edited) 6 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: I've already explained why I don't call them dominant. You have a different perspective and that's fine. We all have different views of course, and that's great....I just think that your definition of " dominance " will never be achieve in the free agency era...... in this current era, the are dominant IMO...and quite frankly, I hope we never see a team that much better than the rest of the league....as I said in an earlier post, I think it's bad for the NFL.... Edited December 2, 2017 by Iron Maiden 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted December 2, 2017 Share Posted December 2, 2017 12 minutes ago, Iron Maiden said: Simple question...has there been a better team year in and year our since 2001 ?.....that's why I think they are " dominant "....and it's not even close..... ......naw........how could this mean "dominance"?................. QUICK HITS The Patriots have recorded 70 wins over the Bills, the most by the Patriots against any one opponent. The Jets are second with 61 wins. Tom Brady is chasing win #27 versus Buffalo on Sunday December 3, 2017. Bill Belichick has a 80-28 (.741) all-time regular season record against the AFC East as head coach of the Patriots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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