OldTimeAFLGuy Posted December 3, 2017 Share Posted December 3, 2017 Oklahoma quarterback Baker Mayfield will be an NFL bust By Mac Engel tengel@star-telegram.com December 02, 2017 03:29 PM UPDATED 10 HOURS 24 MINUTES AGO http://www.star-telegram.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/mac-engel/article187739178.html Read more here: http://www.star-telegram.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/mac-engel/article187739178.html#storylink=cpy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoTier Posted December 3, 2017 Share Posted December 3, 2017 Old Time AFL Guy: that article was really poor. Is the author a Texas or Nebraska fan by chance? He offers no real substance for his prediction except mainly that Mayfield is short and will likely win the Heisman Trophy. Obviously, the author has never heard of Drew Brees, Russell Wilson or Kirk Cousins, all of whom fell out of the first round because they were deemed "too short/too slight" to be NFL starters, and have still found success. As for the Heisman Trophy winners coming up short in the NFL, that's an exceptionally stupid argument. The Heisman is awarded on collegiate achievement not on suitability for NFL success. Most QBs who get drafted into the NFL, even those taken in the first round, wind up disappointments, and the divergence of the college and pro games has made that even more likely. Even college QBs who have "all the right metrics" for NFL success frequently crash and burn. PS Since I don't follow college football, I have no preference for any collegiate QB ... it's just that the article was so bad. PSS When I tried to quote your post, that article messed up my reply format for some reason, so I didn't use it. I don't know if that's a general problem or something loopy with my browser. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted December 3, 2017 Share Posted December 3, 2017 7 hours ago, Ol Dirty B said: 10 games of success... no one is owed 10 games of failure. Peterman is awful, the game is too fast for him at the NFL level. Let it go, I know you all wanted him and zay to light it up after there preseason. But they are both trending in the wrong direction, even with Zays improvement over the last few games he played. On Peterman you may be right. Zay however, you're completely wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoTier Posted December 3, 2017 Share Posted December 3, 2017 Just now, Doc said: On Peterman you may be right. Zay however, you're completely wrong. Again, you can't really say that because he hasn't done particularly well as a rookie, and even if he did, that doesn't mean he's going to continue to improve to become an accomplished pro WR. Unless they are really, really bad, it takes 2 or 3 years at least to determine if most players are keepers or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted December 3, 2017 Share Posted December 3, 2017 55 minutes ago, SoTier said: Again, you can't really say that because he hasn't done particularly well as a rookie, and even if he did, that doesn't mean he's going to continue to improve to become an accomplished pro WR. Unless they are really, really bad, it takes 2 or 3 years at least to determine if most players are keepers or not. Actually you can't really say much about either player given how little they've played and in Zay's case, his QB. Peterman may turn out to be a good player, but the Bills can't count on it and will have to find a new QB. As for Zay, he's been improving steadily so I have no idea where the "he's trending downwards" comes from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted December 3, 2017 Share Posted December 3, 2017 1 hour ago, SoTier said: Old Time AFL Guy: that article was really poor. Is the author a Texas or Nebraska fan by chance? He offers no real substance for his prediction except mainly that Mayfield is short and will likely win the Heisman Trophy. Obviously, the author has never heard of Drew Brees, Russell Wilson or Kirk Cousins, all of whom fell out of the first round because they were deemed "too short/too slight" to be NFL starters, and have still found success. As for the Heisman Trophy winners coming up short in the NFL, that's an exceptionally stupid argument. The Heisman is awarded on collegiate achievement not on suitability for NFL success. Most QBs who get drafted into the NFL, even those taken in the first round, wind up disappointments, and the divergence of the college and pro games has made that even more likely. Even college QBs who have "all the right metrics" for NFL success frequently crash and burn. PS Since I don't follow college football, I have no preference for any collegiate QB ... it's just that the article was so bad. PSS When I tried to quote your post, that article messed up my reply format for some reason, so I didn't use it. I don't know if that's a general problem or something loopy with my browser. ...looks like he writes for a Texas newspaper, so perhaps a bit of "bad blood" with neighboring Oklahoma.......saw it and posted it only to share....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMF2006 Posted December 3, 2017 Share Posted December 3, 2017 The Article is from Fort Worthless Texas. Sounds like sour grapes with an axe to grind,they did dust TCU(Fort Worth) yesterday and BRM is a Texan by birth. 14 hours ago, Big C said: First time watching a full game of this kid and he looked damn good. Seen him play about 5 times this year as I only get every other weekend off. Missed yesterdays game as I had to work. Appears he had a good showing from everything I read. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted December 3, 2017 Share Posted December 3, 2017 16 hours ago, SoTier said: Watson looked good but he played in exactly 7 games. The number of QBs who have looked great for fewer than 10 games as first time starters and then tanked are legion. Most recently and spectacularly are Brock Osweiler and Colin Kaepernick, which why it takes at least two and sometimes three years to decide if a QB is truly a keeper. The discussion back then wasn't whether, after say, exactly 7 great games as a rookie, he would be a keeper 2 or 3 years later. The discussion was whether his "inaccuracy" (and being propped up by great WRs in college) made him a starting caliber NFL QB draft prospect at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted December 3, 2017 Share Posted December 3, 2017 Go get Rosen do the right thing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted December 3, 2017 Share Posted December 3, 2017 15 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: Go get Rosen do the right thing No way are the Browns passing on him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted December 3, 2017 Share Posted December 3, 2017 Just now, Doc said: No way are the Browns passing on him. Watch they will sell the pick once they get AJ MacCarron in the offseason (pending if no coach change) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted December 3, 2017 Share Posted December 3, 2017 31 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: Watch they will sell the pick once they get AJ MacCarron in the offseason (pending if no coach change) You don't pass-over Rosen for McCarron. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted December 3, 2017 Share Posted December 3, 2017 8 minutes ago, Doc said: You don't pass-over Rosen for McCarron. We are talking Browns and De Podesta and Sashi Brown love selling their picks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmart128 Posted December 3, 2017 Share Posted December 3, 2017 20 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Manziel has no talents that could be translated to the NFL level and neither did Tebow.. Manziel had a ton of talent. His issue is he didn't care. Didn't put in any effort. If he cared and was put on a better team he could have been a great player Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WMDman Posted December 3, 2017 Share Posted December 3, 2017 (edited) im all in Edited December 3, 2017 by WMDman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EasternOHBillsFan Posted December 3, 2017 Share Posted December 3, 2017 ALL IN... BAKER MAYFIELD TRAIN FOR 2018!!!!! Officially ALL IN. Baller in Buffalo time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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