B-Man Posted December 3, 2017 Share Posted December 3, 2017 "Al Franken's Calculated Strategy of Non-Denial/This isn’t a he-said, she-said story. Two women are giving their stories, and the Minnesota Democrat is just emitting vapor," by Ramesh Ponnuru Ponnuru's point is: If he admits it, especially in this moment of righteous anger against male sexual entitlement, pressure to resign will mount.... If he denies the accusations, on the other hand, he will be at least implicitly attacking his accusers.... Franken keeps responding by talking about feelings: his feelings, the women’s feelings, and his feelings about their feelings... Listen, without believing, or disbelieving. Without, that is, taking their claims seriously. It is a rhetorical strategy as clever as it is shameless. At the moment it appears to be working. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keepthefaith Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 Nah, he was a comedian at the time, trying to be funny. Just a couple jokes that went bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 I don't usually like to tell people what they should or shouldn't do, but if Conyers is being requested to resign then so should Franken. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 2 hours ago, Magox said: I don't usually like to tell people what they should or shouldn't do, but if Conyers is being requested to resign then so should Franken. I'm not sure he has done something that can cause him (at this stage) to be removed. It doesn't help his party for him to remain, and he has no potential to become a national figure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted December 6, 2017 Share Posted December 6, 2017 Sounds like Al's going to resign. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulus Posted December 6, 2017 Share Posted December 6, 2017 I hope he doesnt. It is getting past the point where I really empathize with some of these "victims." I don't like the guy's politics, but this is just stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted December 6, 2017 Share Posted December 6, 2017 He's gone, this BS has to stop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted December 6, 2017 Share Posted December 6, 2017 i guess it's the end of Free Love that the hippies and boomers forced on us 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted December 6, 2017 Author Share Posted December 6, 2017 3 minutes ago, row_33 said: i guess it's the end of Free Love that the hippies and boomers forced on us It stopped being Free Love when Baby Boomers had to start paying for Viagia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted December 6, 2017 Share Posted December 6, 2017 I love the part when they twist in the wind for the last few days, hoping for a reprieve. Just like Spitzer and Weiner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snafu Posted December 6, 2017 Share Posted December 6, 2017 Sounds like he's announced that he is resigning tomorrow. NPR in Minnesota is reporting it. Don't have a link. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted December 6, 2017 Share Posted December 6, 2017 TO BE FAIR, THEY THREW THE BLACK GUY UNDER THE BUS MUCH FASTER: It Took Way Too Long For Democrats To Call On Al Franken To Resign. It is utterly absurd to suggest that the decision to call for Franken’s resignation was anything more than pure political calculus on the part of Senate Democrats. They relinquished their chance to virtue signal when they all but ignored the first six of Franken’s accusers. Every Democratic senator had ample information well before this afternoon indicating that Franken had engaged in incredibly inappropriate behavior — if not outright sexual battery. And yet they all chose to remain silent or to offer non-answers when questioned about whether Franken should step down. Not one single senator suggested, until this afternoon, that, if the allegations were true, the Democrat ought to relinquish his seat. New York Democrat Kirsten Gillibrand — who is among the Democratic women being praised for taking a principled stand against sexual misconduct — was asked in late November whether Franken should resign following the allegations. “It’s his decision,” she replied, noncommittally. Well, when there are only six accusers it’s nothing. But when there are seven — whoa, Nellie, that’s a whole new ballgame. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulus Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 2 hours ago, row_33 said: i guess it's the end of Free Love that the hippies and boomers forced on us bull ****... It is called Tinder, Bumble, etc. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 I have no idea what that is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 2 hours ago, B-Man said: TO BE FAIR, THEY THREW THE BLACK GUY UNDER THE BUS MUCH FASTER: It Took Way Too Long For Democrats To Call On Al Franken To Resign. It is utterly absurd to suggest that the decision to call for Franken’s resignation was anything more than pure political calculus on the part of Senate Democrats. They relinquished their chance to virtue signal when they all but ignored the first six of Franken’s accusers. Every Democratic senator had ample information well before this afternoon indicating that Franken had engaged in incredibly inappropriate behavior — if not outright sexual battery. And yet they all chose to remain silent or to offer non-answers when questioned about whether Franken should step down. Not one single senator suggested, until this afternoon, that, if the allegations were true, the Democrat ought to relinquish his seat. New York Democrat Kirsten Gillibrand — who is among the Democratic women being praised for taking a principled stand against sexual misconduct — was asked in late November whether Franken should resign following the allegations. “It’s his decision,” she replied, noncommittally. Well, when there are only six accusers it’s nothing. But when there are seven — whoa, Nellie, that’s a whole new ballgame. . Shaming and punishment based on mere accusation is bull ****. But, in Franken's case...there are goddamn pictures. People seem to forget that. This isn't a "preponderance of accusation" thing...he was photographed fondling a woman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 (edited) 3 hours ago, snafu said: Sounds like he's announced that he is resigning tomorrow. NPR in Minnesota is reporting it. Don't have a link. Awesome. Rooting for these arrogant !@#$sticks to crash and burn in disgrace has permanently taken the place of rooting for playoffs for Buffalo teams. It can’t happen often enough. 38 minutes ago, DC Tom said: Shaming and punishment based on mere accusation is bull ****. But, in Franken's case...there are goddamn pictures. People seem to forget that. This isn't a "preponderance of accusation" thing...he was photographed fondling a woman. Well yes, but the Senate could hang in the balance so.....we should probably cut him so slack. He used to be a comedian you know. Edited December 7, 2017 by KD in CA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 Just now, KD in CA said: Well yes, but the Senate could hang in the balance so.....we should probably cut him so slack. He used to be a comedian you know. He used to try, at any rate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulus Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 1 hour ago, row_33 said: I have no idea what that is. They are Internet dating aps. It can be easy to get free love via those. They have been blamed for an increase in STDs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bills Fan of St Augustine Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 Guy was trying to be funny and aped for a pic. He was touching a flack jacket not reaching under her camisole. Poor taste to be sure, but hardly worthy of the attention it has drawn. Trump was trying to be funny on Howard Stern catering to the Stern mentally juvenile audience. The guys like Harvey (our own Buffalo guy) and Bill Clinton and Moore and Conyers who took advantage of their positions of power to abuse women are better targets for the current frenzy of vitriol. There is a certain level of sanctimonious BS here too. Men have been doing this for years, this is nothing new. The "casting couch" has been around for a very long time and there are many women and probably a few men who were quite willing to "sleep their way to the top". Happens in corporations too. This isn't always daddy's little girl who was taken advantage of by the guy in power. It has been an accepted part of our culture for a long time. Men are usually expected to be the aggressor and "hit on" the women. Often, they like it. Where and when and in what context is the issue. I am happy this is getting called out, but there is another equally repugnant side that needs to be discussed as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 Update: Hoo boy........ Quote MPR News ✔@MPRnews Sen. Al Franken is preparing to resign amid a cascade of calls from fellow Democrats and other political allies to leave office in response to multiple allegations of sexual harassmenthttps://www.mprnews.org/story/2017/12/06/senator-al-franken-to-resign … Quote Sen. Al Franken ✔@SenFranken Not accurate, @mpr No final decision has been made and the Senator is still talking with his family. Please update your story. 5:15 PM - Dec 6, 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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