bobobonators Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 49 minutes ago, CanadianFan said: It's not the # of snaps. It's his role in setting up the defensive scheme. His ability to PLUG UP the middle of the line, take on 2 blockers disrupts the opposing team's running game, leaving ends, backers and safeties to come in and finish the job as the running back is stopping, pausing waiting for linemen to make a hole. Once you stop the other team's run-game, it becomes 2nd and long, 3rd and long - bam they become predictable, their play calling limited, they become one-dimensional. We cover their wideouts in a zone, our tall long secondary and linebackers tip the balls get picks or tackle them after short yardage. Even though we can not get to the quarterback, it was fine because of the way we played this way. That was our recipe for success earlier in the season. Without him in there, we can't stop the run, we never could put pressure on the QB or stop the pass so every option was available to the other team and thus makes defending that much worse. I just dont follow what youre saying. You say his role was XYZ. Fine. But fact remains he played 34% of the defensive snaps. So 66% of the time his role was nonexistent and irrelevant. His loss hurts depth and maybe a couple of plays here and there in a game, but to say missing Dareus’ 34% of playing time is the main reason our run D sucks now is not accurate imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 It was a mistake to trade him. Should have been done over the off-season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 (edited) Just now, Doc said: It was a mistake to trade him. Should have been done over the off-season. Trading him in the offseason doesn't get him off the books for 2019. Also - there is no market as teams will look at free agents (no compensation) and the draft (controllable contract) before looking at a massively overpaid, out of shape, lazy player. Edited November 13, 2017 by dneveu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luka Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 Guy plays 34% of snaps on defense, suddenly he was the key. Guy plays 100% of the snaps on offense, it isn't his fault we don't score. That's the Bills fan base in a nutshell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Luka said: Guy plays 34% of snaps on defense, suddenly he was the key. Guy plays 100% of the snaps on offense, it isn't his fault we don't score. That's the Bills fan base in a nutshell. That’s not very good Edited November 13, 2017 by Kirby Jackson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real McClappy Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 1 hour ago, CanadianFan said: It's not the # of snaps. It's his role in setting up the defensive scheme. His ability to PLUG UP the middle of the line, take on 2 blockers disrupts the opposing team's running game, leaving ends, backers and safeties to come in and finish the job as the running back is stopping, pausing waiting for linemen to make a hole. Once you stop the other team's run-game, it becomes 2nd and long, 3rd and long - bam they become predictable, their play calling limited, they become one-dimensional. We cover their wideouts in a zone, our tall long secondary and linebackers tip the balls get picks or tackle them after short yardage. Even though we can not get to the quarterback, it was fine because of the way we played this way. That was our recipe for success earlier in the season. Without him in there, we can't stop the run, we never could put pressure on the QB or stop the pass so every option was available to the other team and thus makes defending that much worse. Spot on post and one that many do not understand at all. The D scheme and game plan completely changes when your playing the pass and containing outside running lanes. Now our Defense is so completely lost. But hey, everyone is so damn concerned about Pegulas $$$ that we fixed 2 years from now. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cba fan Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 19 hours ago, jmc12290 said: Ragland is a flat out bust. Get it together dude jesus. Flat out busts do not start for Super Bowl contenders(Chiefs) and otherwise play meaningful minutes. Yes someone needs to "get it together" 1 hour ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Well lets see. MD plays the middle. Virtually all the run gashes by Saints, especially in the 23 consecutive runs, came up the middle. So yeah Chris may be on to something here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 6 minutes ago, cba fan said: Flat out busts do not start for Super Bowl contenders(Chiefs) and otherwise play meaningful minutes. Yes someone needs to "get it together" 11 tackles on the year. #meaningful Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cba fan Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 Just now, jmc12290 said: 11 tackles on the year. #meaningful He has only played a few games. #getittogether Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadianFan Posted November 13, 2017 Author Share Posted November 13, 2017 35 minutes ago, bobobonators said: I just dont follow what youre saying. You say his role was XYZ. Fine. But fact remains he played 34% of the defensive snaps. So 66% of the time his role was nonexistent and irrelevant. His loss hurts depth and maybe a couple of plays here and there in a game, but to say missing Dareus’ 34% of playing time is the main reason our run D sucks now is not accurate imo. Bob, I know you are a smart man, I've read many of your comments. You need to get over simplistic explanations offered by that stat and READ and comprehend. How do you not get this simple explanation. He isn't good for stopping the pass. He's great for run stopping. If he's in there only for 40% of the snaps that meant HE WAS DOING HIS JOB STOPPING THE RUNS, and it became PASSING DOWNS so he came out. How do you NOT get this Bob? What was our BIGGEST PROBLEM THESE PAST TWO WEEKS? Can you just SCAN the threads here? Answer me that simple question - what was our BIGGEST defensive issue last sunday? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Luka Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 17 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: That’s not very good The debate isn't about whether or not the defense is bad, it's about whether or not Dareus mattered at all. I'm leaning towards he wouldn't have done a damn thing the past two games. This is way deeper than one player. This Cover 2 crap has proven time and time again that it just doesn't work without an ELITE front 4. Basically if you are a team that relies on the pass, this defense can be diced up. If you lean on the run, we can be run over. This is a scheme problem even more than it is a personnel problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iinii Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 19 hours ago, BmarvB said: Right after he gets traded, the Jets and Saints took turns gangbanging the run defense. That was pathetic. Looks like he must have been doing something...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luka Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 1 minute ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Saints were near the top of the league in rushing even before yesterday's performance. Jets top 15. First 7 games faced teams that are 27th, 28th and 31st in rushing. Stats are fun but also misleading when not taken in context. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iinii Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 5 minutes ago, Luka said: The debate isn't about whether or not the defense is bad, it's about whether or not Dareus mattered at all. I'm leaning towards he wouldn't have done a damn thing the past two games. This is way deeper than one player. This Cover 2 crap has proven time and time again that it just doesn't work without an ELITE front 4. Basically if you are a team that relies on the pass, this defense can be diced up. If you lean on the run, we can be run over. This is a scheme problem even more than it is a personnel problem. So what you are saying is this defense can’t stop anything? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 Just now, Luka said: Saints were near the top of the league in rushing even before yesterday's performance. Jets top 15. First 7 games faced teams that are 27th, 28th and 31st in rushing. Stats are fun but also misleading when not taken in context. Lame Excuses. They played the Jets in week 1. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luka Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 1 minute ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Lame Excuses. They played the Jets in week 1. Facts are hard to swallow. This defense has been bad since week 1, it's just getting seriously exposed now. How many turnovers forced the past two games? 1? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 What some fans fail to understand about players like Dareus and Sammy is their impact goes much further than just numbers. Coming into the year, those 2 plus McCoy were the only Bills to be considered blue chip players. Every opponent pays attention to blue chip players. Dareus Just being out there makes things easier for other players. Odds are we were getting smoked either way by NO. But if you make teams one dimensional, it makes games a lot easier. We were stopping the run early in the year and guys could force on Pass. Now, we are just a bad overall defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luka Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 (edited) 17 minutes ago, iinii said: So what you are saying is this defense can’t stop anything? Precisely, and I was getting ripped at the beginning of the year for pointing out how awful they were. Their performance was purely based on turnovers. Since week 3, every team held under 100 yards rushing has had 300 yards passing against this defense. So did they stop the run or were teams just exploiting the secondary instead of the defensive line? Edited November 13, 2017 by Luka Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillsGospel Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 It was a trade that needed to happen regardless for both sides, I don't recall anyone say we'd be better off without him, maybe some did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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