Bills Fan888 Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 I've seen the lack of receiving talent getting discussed around here but the what is just as important has been the lack of production of our run game. Last season we had Shady running for almost 1300 yards and 13 TD's while averaging 5.4 yards per carry. Mike Gillislee ran for almost 600 yards and 8 TD's while averaging 5.7 ypc. This season we have Shady running for 216 yards and 0 TD's while averaging 3.2 ypc and Mike Tolbert running for 135 yards and 1 TD and averaging 3.6 ypc. Obviously we have to look at the offense holistically and with the lack much in the way of a passing attack, defenses can stack the box and play the run, but the same Tyrod Taylor was a part of both of these offenses and he looks to be playing at much the same level as last season. If we have the same level of production from our run game that we had last season, or even something close to it, we win these games handily. Unfortunately, there has been a massive drop off in production that will cost us games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobobonators Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 Dennison. As someone else said, hes the Rex Ryan of our offense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Bills Fan Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 (edited) First one to say it (in past( Greg Roman has amazing run scheme designs. Best by far in league. Had a feeling a drop off but not this bad. Edited October 9, 2017 by Buffalo Bills Fan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 I wonder why teams don't bring in different coordintors for the rush and pass games if you think about it they're completely different skill sets. Roman's run schemes with Dennison's pass schemes could be great. But coaches are egotistical and want the whole thing to be theirs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watkins90 Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 I wonder why teams don't bring in different coordintors for the rush and pass games if you think about it they're completely different skill sets. Roman's run schemes with Dennison's pass schemes could be great. But coaches are egotistical and want the whole thing to be theirs. You'd think Dennison and McDermont would have seen how well the rushing attack did last year and just stayed with that dynamic while going with their own passing attack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 Dennison. As someone else said, hes the Rex Ryan of our offense. Don't leave out Juan Castillo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 First one to say it (in past( Greg Roman has amazing run scheme designs. Best by far in league. Baltimore's 6th in rushing. Up from 28th last year... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 First one to say it (in past( Greg Roman has amazing run scheme designs. Best by far in league. Had a feeling a drop off but not this bad. Roman and kromer both were big losses in the run game. We did not invest in fixing the pass game or maintaining the run game unfortunately Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 (edited) I'm not going to put this all on Dennison. We have been running good for years. Teams are putting 8 in the box and doubling shady... TT needs to connect deep to pull people out of the box There's no room Edited October 9, 2017 by Buffalo716 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 The two are somewhat intertwined. Lots of changes in the running game scheme wise as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 I'm not going to put this all on Dennison. We have been running good for years. Teams are putting 8 in the box and doubling shady... TT needs to connect deep to pull people out of the box There's no room That's not at least in part a dennison issue too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 That's not at least in part a dennison issue too? I mean we are 3-2 through 5 games and we have thrown and missed just about every deep ball to a WR this year. Whether it was jones or Matthews or kaelin clay or Holmes we have not connected on any of our deep ball attempts. And they have been dialed up. They have usually just been overthrown or TT gets sacked or scrambles Defenses wont back off until he actually connects and pushes them off Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 I mean we are 3-2 through 5 games and we have thrown and missed just about every deep ball to a WR this year. Whether it was jones or Matthews or kaelin clay or Holmes we have not connected on any of our deep ball attempts. And they have been dialed up. They have usually just been overthrown or TT gets sacked or scrambles Defenses wont back off until he actually connects and pushes them off Did dennison help construct the offensive roster? (Warning, either answer puts him in part on the hook in my book) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 Did dennison help construct the offensive roster? (Warning, either answer puts him in part on the hook in my book) I have no idea. Probably I know crossman has pull because we kept a bunch of STs for him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 Last I checked we have no one to throw to and everyone we play just keys on taking away McCoy. All we see are 8 man fronts keyed on stopping McCoy because we don't have a single pass catcher on the roster who can threaten a defense on a route more than 10 yards down field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 I wonder why teams don't bring in different coordintors for the rush and pass games if you think about it they're completely different skill sets. Roman's run schemes with Dennison's pass schemes could be great. But coaches are egotistical and want the whole thing to be theirs. Isnt Castillo our run game coordinator as well as o-line coach? Not sure how much say or responsibility he has when gameplanning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 I have no idea. Probably I know crossman has pull because we kept a bunch of STs for him If he didn't, I find that to be a problem. If he did, it's clearly a problem. Likewise is the coaching staff his? Same answer from me there. He can't be fully excused from the issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 (edited) If he didn't, I find that to be a problem. If he did, it's clearly a problem. Likewise is the coaching staff his? Same answer from me there. He can't be fully excused from the issues. This is not my opinion But people around the league love Castillo our line coach. He's very liked and respected . But I don't like what he's doing with miller or our line play Edited October 9, 2017 by Buffalo716 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xRUSHx Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 I'm not going to put this all on Dennison. We have been running good for years. Teams are putting 8 in the box and doubling shady... TT needs to connect deep to pull people out of the box There's no room Right on man, teams are game planing to stop the run and Tyrod has yet to make them change the plan. High respect for the run no respect for the throw, that leaves guys single covered and Tyrod still can't connect. Make him be a QB and the fail continues. Baltimore showed the league how to stop their old backup QB last season, make him be a QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobobonators Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 Teams have been loading the box for 2+ seasons now. Why are some of you acting like this is new? Our run blocking is putrid. I dont recall having so many runs for a loss as we've had so far. Our oline is getting beat at the point of attack. Our oline doesnt know what theyre doing. Thats coaching/scheme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Billieve Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 Yeah, lots of talk about receivers because you can't run the ball when Nick O'Leary is your number one receiver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xRUSHx Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 (edited) Teams have been loading the box for 2+ seasons now. Why are some of you acting like this is new? Our run blocking is putrid. I dont recall having so many runs for a loss as we've had so far. Our oline is getting beat at the point of attack. Our oline doesnt know what theyre doing. Thats coaching/scheme. Lynn did a good job of covering it up for Tyrod and the running game, sadly it wasn't enough for a playoff run because teams know how to stop it now. It's not the scheme it's the QB trying to run it. It's time for a QB change to a QB that can run it, one that can see wide open WRs. Edited October 9, 2017 by xRUSHx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OhDozeBills Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 Last I checked we have no one to throw to and everyone we play just keys on taking away McCoy. All we see are 8 man fronts keyed on stopping McCoy because we don't have a single pass catcher on the roster who can threaten a defense on a route more than 10 yards down field. Umm, we saw 8 man boxes all the time the past 2 years, so this makes no sense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobobonators Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 Lynn did a good job of covering it up for Tyrod and the running game, sadly it wasn't enough for a playoff run because teams know how to stop it now. It's not the scheme it's the QB trying to run it. It's time for a QB change to a QB that can run it, one that can see wide open WRs. So 2 consecutive seasons of being #1 in the NFL in rushing was accomplished via a "cover up" operation. And teams, just now after +32 games, figured out how to stop it? Ugh huh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xRUSHx Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 (edited) So 2 consecutive seasons of being #1 in the NFL in rushing was accomplished via a "cover up" operation. And teams, just now after +32 games, figured out how to stop it? Ugh huh.No Roman was a master at the run scheme it worked great year one to bad it wasn't enough with a bad defense. Rex and Pegs wanted a throwing offense to compliment the running game so they had Roman make a scheme for Tyrod to throw more. It failed bad and he got fired. Lynn took over and had to simplify it for Tyrod to throw it while keeping Romans running game going. It worked for a while but the good teams figured out how to stop it all they had to do was put everything at stopping the run and make Tyrod be a QB. Baltimore made sure everyone knew what they did. Now the same system to stop Tyrod is what teams are using, stop the run and make him be a QB. Just my opinion on it. Edited October 9, 2017 by xRUSHx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 (edited) So 2 consecutive seasons of being #1 in the NFL in rushing was accomplished via a "cover up" operation. And teams, just now after +32 games, figured out how to stop it? Ugh huh.Going back before Rex, with Marrone we were top 5 in rushing. We have been running the ball good for years With Rex it was much more Power O and outside zone runs from the shotgun. The actual running scheme is actually pretty different than the last couple years. With Rex teams had to respect the read option. They don't have to so far this year so It's all eyes on shady , besides the spy. Tyrod had 500+ yards and we were #1 rushing . He isn't on pace for that I assume and our run game is being bottled down. Edited October 9, 2017 by Buffalo716 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOF4LOU Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 What happened to the full back from last year thar opened holes for shady? What was his name? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 The problem with a new coaching regime is that they have no memory of the prior ones. For us fans, we see the issue-- lot of it is the blocking scheme and poor fit of our linemen and the zone scheme. But I wonder if McD and co. Appreciate that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 What happened to the full back from last year thar opened holes for shady? What was his name? ..Jerome Felton?......was not re-signed and still remains unsigned................ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8-8 Forever? Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 as you recall, i was hoping last season that Rex would be fired and replaced by Roman, who then would obviously keep his offense but put the 4-3 back in place on defense. But Rex fired him first. That's called not having a real GM or real owner at that time to do the right thing. Timing is everything. Oh well. Now the defense is fixed but the offense is screwed up. Whatever. Let's see what the coaching staff does over the bye to fix what is wrong. This is the one opportunity -- the bye week. Let's hope they put the time in to make the adjustments. No time for scheme changes during the week to week grind of the season. Now is the time. No vacation Dennison, get to work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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