cba fan Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 (edited) I did some quick research on this salary cap and player salary issue that NFL players are currently ranting on. I am surprised the % results are same.Roster size including injury contracts =...........NBA= 495......................NFL= 2347(calculated per yearly game avg 2016)(NFL has more injury and so many more injury contracts pd. NFL 331 16 game contracts vs NBA 54 82 game contracts)(historically ea lose about approx. 4500 to 5000 games to injury per yr. NFL divide by 16 and NBA divide by 82)(very hard to figure out NBA as they have 14 players per roster= 420 however internet says they had 449 players on contract last yr. Impossible to determine if that includes some lost contract games due to injury resulting in another contract on roster to replace the injured player or if team went under roster limit temporarily or carried an injured player active on short injury. Or if these are players who are retired yet stay on books for salary cap reasons and are included in sign and trades due to convoluted salary cap. Also unable to compute if the injury lost games includes playoffs)(**I did a good fair est.)salary cap.......................................................$2.970 billion.................$5.344 billionavg salaries....................................................$6 million.......................$2,276,949league total revenue.......................................$8 billion.......................$14 billion% of total league revenue going to players.....37%..............................38%You could argue NBA is slightly underpaid. However realistically this is statistically a dead heat and **margin of error in the numbers.If NFL players demanded the NBA avg of 6 mill per player that would equal 14 billion. = to ALL of NFL REVENUE! That would end the NFL as owners would make no profit.What is wrong with these college educated NFL guys who can not do the math I just spent 20 min researching??? Edited July 13, 2017 by cba fan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houston's #1 Bills Fan Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 They said there wouldn't be any math.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tuco Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 Maybe he was just drunk and bored and fired off a tweet to see how long he could get the fans to agonize over it. Probably laughing his ass off as we type. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaaadThingsMan Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 The players are out of bounds. They get half of everything, there's none left to give. The sport itself is more dangerous and has a higher injury rate, owners aren't going to guarantee any more than they already do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhoTom Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 What is wrong with these college educated NFL guys who can not do the math I just spent 20 min researching??? Like many people, they aren't looking at the big picture - they're only interested in what happens to them personally. Also like many people, they don't realize that what's good for the group as a whole is good for the individual in the long run. Surprising, since they play a team sport. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 Without poo-pooing your efforts I don't think that they were arguing for an equal amount of the money. NBA players get 51% and NFL players get like 47-48% of the revenue. I think that they are looking for a few more points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 I think the players should consult with NFLPA before they spout off to the press. It's not like the NFL economics are a hidden secret from the union heads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billieve420 Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 The players are out of bounds. They get half of everything, there's none left to give. The sport itself is more dangerous and has a higher injury rate, owners aren't going to guarantee any more than they already do. However, they don't get 50%. They get a max percentage of 48.5%. In 2016 they received 47.2%. In the next collective bargaining agreement they would be dumb not to demand at least 50% of the revenues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cba fan Posted July 13, 2017 Author Share Posted July 13, 2017 Without poo-pooing your efforts I don't think that they were arguing for an equal amount of the money. NBA players get 51% and NFL players get like 47-48% of the revenue. I think that they are looking for a few more points. I agree they both may have an argument as in this type of "Entertainer agreements" where the talent is the drawing card can't be compared to business that produces a product with all the inherent costs to acquire product to reformulate into a finished product etc etc.... Right now they each get approx.. 38% of total revenue. Sounds fair on surface however not sure what fair is in this unique business. Maybe a higher % should go to the entertainers since cba defined revenue their % is based on is not all of the total revenue. ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 I agree they both may have an argument as in this type of "Entertainer agreements" where the talent is the drawing card can't be compared to business that produces a product with all the inherent costs to acquire product to reformulate into a finished product etc etc.... Right now they each get approx.. 38% of total revenue. Sounds fair on surface however not sure what fair is in this unique business. Maybe a higher % should go to the entertainers since cba defined revenue their % is based on is not all of the total revenue. ?? The cap figure is based off of revenues in both sports. In basketball it's referred to as the "BRI" which stands for basketball related income. This is a combination of ALL revenues both local and national. The players get 51% of that. In the NFL ALL streams of revenues contribute to the cap and players receive betweeen 47-48.5% of the revenue. The total is based on all revenue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quinnearlysghost88 Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 That would end the NFL as owners would make no profit. So, you're on the side of management? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 That would end the NFL as owners would make no profit. So, you're on the side of management? It's not about picking sides. It's about accepting economic realities that don't go away because you threaten to hold your breath til you turn blue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWATeam Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 NBA salaries are fully guaranteed. Are you only comparing guaranteed NFL contracts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragonborn10 Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 NFL is a more violent sport. The NFLPA did the right thing by agreeing to slot and lower rookie salaries. What The rookies get in the other leagues is far less than what the NFL pays. And it was much much worse. $60+ million for Sam Bradford before he ever took a snap. Now the NFLPA needs to fight for at least 50% of revenue and spread that out by adding a 2-3 active roster spots, a designated developmental QB spot, a slightly higher league minimum, and then whatever is left over is free to be used however the team wants. I am still in favor of the large signing bonus and prorated cap charge over fully guaranteed contracts. I hate seeing guys in the NBA just traded to move their bloated contracts around. If the money is fully guaranteed there is little incentive to sacrifice for the team. Pay them more, a lot more, but keep making them earn their contracts. One other addition would be mandatory injury insurance policies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 It's not about picking sides. It's about accepting economic realities that don't go away because you threaten to hold your breath til you turn blue. SCAB!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LI_Bills Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 (edited) They said there wouldn't be any math.... Outstanding!!!!!!! http://vimeo.com/65921206 Edited July 13, 2017 by LI_Bills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1st Ammendment NoMas Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 these athletes all took common core Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 What is wrong with these college educated NFL guys who can not do the math I just spent 20 min researching??? dey not college educated nd u just dun understand brah, u got keep it 100% a bunch of these guys couldn't count for high school educated, much less college educated i know its basketball, but kyrie irving believes the world is flat = that's all you need to know Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msw2112 Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 (edited) I am usually on the pro-management side of the discussion, feeling that players make a ton of money to work out, play a sport, travel to major cities, stay in nice hotels, eat at good restaurants, have celebrity "access" to attractive women across the country, etc. Most of us who go to work every day to support our families would kill for this lifestyle. But, given the health risks undertaken by NFL players, which are far greater than in any other sport, I do believe they have a valid argument for a bigger piece of the pie. In addition to the concussion issue, you have arms, legs, knees, ankles, shoulders, hands, fingers and every joint in the body sustaining permanent damage for these guys. Many of them live the rest of their lives in pain and have shortened life spans. Plus, careers are short - most don't even make it to their mid-30's. There's also the factor that their entire contracts are not guaranteed. NHL players, with body checking and fighting, have some of these issues too, although to a much smaller extent. The NBA, while physical, doesn't have the regular contact and concussion risks of football and hockey. MLB players have it the best. As to the Watkins comment, I really don't care that much about it one way or another. It doesn't get a rise out of me. He's just an immature guy making a poor decision to use social media to express his feelings on a topic. He has a pattern of this. On this particular topic, as I stated above, in comparison to NBA players, he has a valid point. I like Watkins as a player and I hope he is able to stay healthy this year, contribute to the level of his talent, sign a long-term deal and have a long, productive career as a Buffalo Bill. And yes, I would prefer if he stayed off of social media, but it won't be a big deal for me if he doesn't. Edited July 13, 2017 by msw2112 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted July 14, 2017 Share Posted July 14, 2017 What is wrong with these college educated NFL guys who can not do the math I just spent 20 min researching??? They will blame their issue on early CTE and demand an increase on amount paid out! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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