C.Biscuit97 Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 I think DW is done as GM, I think the consensus around the league is the he is a good scout but over his head as a GM. Classic example of the Peter Principle. You have no idea what the consensus is. If Whaley goes on an interview, he can say Buffalo was a mess. The owners didn't know what we're doing; I had 2 coaches forced on me; the roster had a lot of talent minus the qb; & I worked for years in one of the most successful franchises in all of sports. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 Yea. It's just extreme wishful thinking from some bills fans. "Mahomes must look awful in minicamp" 😂 He isn't getting a GM job any time soon and he'll be lucky to get another opportunity, IMO. How hard would it be to Google some reports from the KC Star newspaper? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 Yea. It's just extreme wishful thinking from some bills fans. "Mahomes must look awful in minicamp" 😂 He isn't getting a GM job any time soon and he'll be lucky to get another opportunity, IMO. He's not close to as bad as you and some posters make him out to be. He had 2 coaches forced on him and tried his best to make it work. The Bills have had a top 5 defense and top 10 offense under his watch, without having an elite qb. That's not terrible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 Yea. It's just extreme wishful thinking from some bills fans. "Mahomes must look awful in minicamp" 1) I admitted that exact sentiment like 2 posts later 2) Mahomes on playbook: 'A lot harder than I thought' Tyler Bray, not Patrick Mahomes, is the Chiefs’ No. 2 quarterback so far And again, yes as a Bills fan I am certainly hoping he falls flat on his face. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 1) I admitted that exact sentiment like 2 posts later 2) Mahomes on playbook: 'A lot harder than I thought' Tyler Bray, not Patrick Mahomes, is the Chiefs No. 2 quarterback so far And again, yes as a Bills fan I am certainly hoping he falls flat on his face. Haha. So we are faulting a guy for being honest? I'm sure we can find quotes about Vince Young talking about how he completely understands the offense. And Bray sucks. Mahomes will be the the number 2. And I also do hope they fall on their face. But imo, Mahomes couldn't have gone to a better situation to succeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 You have no idea what the consensus is. If Whaley goes on an interview, he can say Buffalo was a mess. The owners didn't know what we're doing; I had 2 coaches forced on me; the roster had a lot of talent minus the qb; & I worked for years in one of the most successful franchises in all of sports. He needs to take another job and do well. Then he will get more chances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffAlone Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 1) I admitted that exact sentiment like 2 posts later 2) Mahomes on playbook: 'A lot harder than I thought' Tyler Bray, not Patrick Mahomes, is the Chiefs No. 2 quarterback so far And again, yes as a Bills fan I am certainly hoping he falls flat on his face. I second that sentiment. The higher the pick we get next year, the better our roster gets.hopefully a franchise QB will be in the equation. If not, we still have plenty of room to improve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 Haha. So we are faulting a guy for being honest? I'm sure we can find quotes about Vince Young talking about how he completely understands the offense. And Bray sucks. Mahomes will be the the number 2. And I also do hope they fall on their face. But imo, Mahomes couldn't have gone to a better situation to succeed. Smith should be the starter all year assuming he's healthy. They'd be in a great position to move on in 2018. 3.6 mil cap hit to cut him outright (by the 3rd league day), or they can trade him and someone can absorb the 14.5 million base salary for a solid starting QB. He should still fetch a decent asset. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted June 23, 2017 Author Share Posted June 23, 2017 @JasonColeBR Ex-Chiefs GM John Dorsey told a source within past 2 months that he was "butting heads" with owner Clark Hunt recently. Didn't say why @NFLosophy NFL Philosophy Retweeted Jason Cole This Dorsey departure comes as a surprise to me. He's well known around the league as a terrific talent evaluator. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 Smith should be the starter all year assuming he's healthy. They'd be in a great position to move on in 2018. 3.6 mil cap hit to cut him outright (by the 3rd league day), or they can trade him and someone can absorb the 14.5 million base salary for a solid starting QB. He should still fetch a decent asset. Agree, though I don't think Smith will be a starter in this league after this year. KC has maxed out his potential and no fanbase would get excited about him being their starter. But he would get plenty of opportunities being the best backup qb in the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 Agree, though I don't think Smith will be a starter in this league after this year. KC has maxed out his potential and no fanbase would get excited about him being their starter. But he would get plenty of opportunities being the best backup qb in the league. I could see him doing solid things for a few more years in SF with Shanahan (If they can't pull Cousins away from DC). He's certainly an upgrade to Hoyer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragonborn10 Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 One Superbowl appearance and an inability to know when to run the hurry up offense. That is Reid's legacy. He is a terrible GM. Good luck KC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM2009 Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 Yea. It's just extreme wishful thinking from some bills fans. "Mahomes must look awful in minicamp" He isn't getting a GM job any time soon and he'll be lucky to get another opportunity, IMO. He can't mask his poor drafting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 (edited) You know I agree with you a lot but I completely disagree. Reid runs that offense. He constructed an offense around Alex Smith. He hides smith and has finally realized Smith just isn't good enough. If anything, I think Reid was the one who wanted Mahomes and the GM wouldn't. Its all good bud, again, you asked me about what I thought about Reid on the decision. Im not saying Reid was totally against it or anything, and this is just my opinion, doesn't mean I am right, just like its your opinion he was on board for it fully. Only Reid knows the answer. Doesn't mean he was totally against Mahomes, I just find it hard to believe if someone said to Reid you can have a 2 first round picks and a 3rd thats as valuable as a 2nd in this deep draft for your SB contending team...or you can have this QB with a great arm but terrible foot work and mechanics who won't help you get closer to a SB for probably at least 3 years...that he would choose Mahomes. With their cap situation, in 3 years that roster is likely going to need a lot more than Mahomes to contend. Edited June 23, 2017 by Alphadawg7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 Its all good bud, again, you asked me about what I thought about Reid on the decision. Im not saying Reid was totally against it or anything, and this is just my opinion, doesn't mean I am right, just like its your opinion he was on board for it fully. Only Reid knows the answer. Doesn't mean he was totally against Mahomes, I just find it hard to believe if someone said to Reid you can have a 2 first round picks and a 3rd thats as valuable as a 2nd in this deep draft for your SB contending team...or you can have this QB with a great arm but terrible foot work and mechanics who won't help you get closer to a SB for probably at least 3 years...that he would choose Mahomes. With their cap situation, in 3 years that roster is likely going to need a lot more than Mahomes to contend. The rumors were that Reid saw similarities to a young Brett Favre and became enamored with Mahomes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo86 Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 You have no idea what the consensus is. If Whaley goes on an interview, he can say Buffalo was a mess. The owners didn't know what we're doing; I had 2 coaches forced on me; the roster had a lot of talent minus the qb; & I worked for years in one of the most successful franchises in all of sports. Sounds like a solid plan. I wonder what Whaley's response will be when they ask about his comments on Rex being like his soulmate, & the two of them being so in tune with each other that they were completing each other's sentences. I'm thinking something along a deer in headlights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HT02 Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 You have no idea what the consensus is. If Whaley goes on an interview, he can say Buffalo was a mess. The owners didn't know what we're doing; I had 2 coaches forced on me; the roster had a lot of talent minus the qb; & I worked for years in one of the most successful franchises in all of sport He can say that if he wants to sound like a person who doesn't take accountability for his performance. Do you think owners around the league didn't see his very poor public performances in his press conferences? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 Haha. So we are faulting a guy for being honest? I'm sure we can find quotes about Vince Young talking about how he completely understands the offense. And Bray sucks. Mahomes will be the the number 2. And I also do hope they fall on their face. But imo, Mahomes couldn't have gone to a better situation to succeed. So if Mahomes does not succeed he must not be very good. Correct? I think i get what you are saying, it is like Russell Wilson and Pete Carroll. The right fit. Reed and Mahomes is a good fit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HT02 Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 If you need DW to be a talent evaluator, and a guy who signs off on a board, then yes, I think you might be right. If you have a coach/GM tandem, like what they have in NE, and seems like what they have now in Buffalo (and will have in KC probably), then I could see DW getting a gig as GM, if the GM's sole responsibility is to evaluate talent and make recommendations to the HC. Somebody else here also said something similar, and I was just underscoring that point, because I agree. True but his inability to get along with his coaches or to subordinate himself or his opinions would likely make him less attractive to someone like Andy Reid. That's why I think he is better suited as a head of scouting than as a GM but you could be right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 He can say that if he wants to sound like a person who doesn't take accountability for his performance. Do you think owners around the league didn't see his very poor public performances in his press conferences? Belichick is awesome at press conferences. That stuff is completely meaningless. And Whaley has been a lot more classier since he got fired than I would be. But since most NFL people view the Bills organization as a joke, I'm guessing he will get another chance. Sounds like a solid plan. I wonder what Whaley's response will be when they ask about his comments on Rex being like his soulmate, & the two of them being so in tune with each other that they were completing each other's sentences. I'm thinking something along a deer in headlights. You gotta do what you gotta do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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