Maury Ballstein Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 I don't know is the answer. I love Mariota. When I see Jameis it looks like a guy that will throw 45 TDs and win playoff games. There is something about Jameis and this is from someone that didn't used to be a fan. That's probably not the strongest answer but it's a feeling I guess. Agree and same I didnt always love him. Jameis is going places but I still think Carr is right there with him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 (edited) Sadly we could have had this kid by staying put but instead have to argue about how many picks Watkins cost and whether or not EJ was a top 5 backup. Edited June 21, 2017 by Scott7975 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 I wouldn't grumble with any of those 3. Think they could all go on to be elite... but MM is my guy. Love his attitude, love his game, love his professionalism. Ticks every box. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 When you start 0-10 progress is to be expected. true. Their offense improved and improved again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 true. Their offense improved and improved again. The Raiders outscored their opponents last year by 31 points. If you take the EJ game out of the equation the Bills outscored their opponents by 41 points. The Bills also had a tougher strength of schedule (at least going into the year, I'm not sure how it ended). The Raiders record is a bit of a mirage. They are primed for regression. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big C Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 $25 mil/year is going to be bad long term for the Raiders. Carr hasn't really proven he's that good, and even then QBs who get paid that kind of premium never end up winning Super Bowls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maury Ballstein Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 The Raiders outscored their opponents last year by 31 points. If you take the EJ game out of the equation the Bills outscored their opponents by 41 points. The Bills also had a tougher strength of schedule (at least going into the year, I'm not sure how it ended). The Raiders record is a bit of a mirage. They are primed for regression. No way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted June 21, 2017 Author Share Posted June 21, 2017 The Raiders outscored their opponents last year by 31 points. If you take the EJ game out of the equation the Bills outscored their opponents by 41 points. The Bills also had a tougher strength of schedule (at least going into the year, I'm not sure how it ended). The Raiders record is a bit of a mirage. They are primed for regression.i wonder if losing their OC will have any effect. They elevated the QB coach Todd Downing (fka EJ's QB coach with the Bills) - it was by choice, as they didn't renew Musgrave. but Downing's never done it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted June 22, 2017 Share Posted June 22, 2017 No way. I forgot about Marshawn!! I love that guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DriveFor1Outta5 Posted June 22, 2017 Share Posted June 22, 2017 (edited) The Raiders outscored their opponents last year by 31 points. If you take the EJ game out of the equation the Bills outscored their opponents by 41 points. The Bills also had a tougher strength of schedule (at least going into the year, I'm not sure how it ended). The Raiders record is a bit of a mirage. They are primed for regression. I agree that they are primed for regression. They won a lot of close games last season as well. However, if Carr continues to progress they will be in good shape. The Raiders might have a franchise QB. That puts them light years ahead of us. Edited June 22, 2017 by DriveFor1Outta5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blokestradamus Posted June 22, 2017 Share Posted June 22, 2017 I think Michael hit the nail on its head with this one. @MichaelJKist 25mil is the new 20mil for QBs, if you expect to keep your QB for Glennon money you're gonna end up with Glennon as your QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted June 22, 2017 Share Posted June 22, 2017 I think Michael hit the nail on its head with this one. @MichaelJKist 25mil is the new 20mil for QBs, if you expect to keep your QB for Glennon money you're gonna end up with Glennon as your QB. Ha ha, if you read that tweet while looking at a side by side picture of Glennon and Napoleon Dynamite it is a lot funnier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blokestradamus Posted June 22, 2017 Share Posted June 22, 2017 Ha ha, if you read that tweet while looking at a side by side picture of Glennon and Napoleon Dynamite it is a lot funnier. IMMEDIATELY thought of this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted June 22, 2017 Share Posted June 22, 2017 (edited) IMMEDIATELY thought of this. Teams only want quarterbacks who have great skills Edited June 22, 2017 by Kirby Jackson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted June 22, 2017 Share Posted June 22, 2017 I may be in a very small minority but I don't love Carr as a prospect. I'd rather Winston and Mariota (and maybe others). Carr is good but he's a guy that I can certainly see regressing. I don't know how many young qbs I do fully trust at this point. It feels like we haven't seen many step up long term. If you use someone like Rodgers as the turning point -- Brady, brees, Big Ben, rivers, used to have manning and of course Rodgers.... younger than Rodgers as a 33 yr old 11 year vet leaves Wilson and Cam who are both very good. Carr who is trending up... kaepernick, rg3, tannehill, bridgewater (not his fault). A lot of super green prospects. It feels like no one wants to step up into that generational role that you compare to the all time great qbs, despite being the passing era. Example-- for MNF which qb matchups really get you amped up in the young class like manning vs Brady did 10 years ago? Where you knew turning it on would be a great, maybe all time great, game? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted June 22, 2017 Share Posted June 22, 2017 I don't know how many young qbs I do fully trust at this point. It feels like we haven't seen many step up long term. If you use someone like Rodgers as the turning point -- Brady, brees, Big Ben, rivers, used to have manning and of course Rodgers.... younger than Rodgers as a 33 yr old 11 year vet leaves Wilson and Cam who are both very good. Carr who is trending up... kaepernick, rg3, tannehill, bridgewater (not his fault). A lot of super green prospects. It feels like no one wants to step up into that generational role that you compare to the all time great qbs, despite being the passing era. Example-- for MNF which qb matchups really get you amped up in the young class like manning vs Brady did 10 years ago? Where you knew turning it on would be a great, maybe all time great, game? It takes time. I think we're all subject to a little recency bias. Brady and Peyton were both in the league for 5-6 years and had met in the playoffs and won rings before their rivalry was truly established. Contrast that with a guy like Luck, who has still "only" been in the NFL 5 seasons and Cam 6. Now, neither of those guys have replaced the rivalry, but they are the oldest of the new young QB's. Once the old guard is truly "gone" we will see 4-5 years of Luck versus Carr, Winston and Cam, Luck versus Mariota and it will grow organically. That and Peyton versus Brady was the best QB rivalry in 20-30 years. Hard to top that, no matter who it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted June 22, 2017 Share Posted June 22, 2017 It takes time. I think we're all subject to a little recency bias. Brady and Peyton were both in the league for 5-6 years and had met in the playoffs and won rings before their rivalry was truly established. Contrast that with a guy like Luck, who has still "only" been in the NFL 5 seasons and Cam 6. Now, neither of those guys have replaced the rivalry, but they are the oldest of the new young QB's. Once the old guard is truly "gone" we will see 4-5 years of Luck versus Carr, Winston and Cam, Luck versus Mariota and it will grow organically. That and Peyton versus Brady was the best QB rivalry in 20-30 years. Hard to top that, no matter who it is. I think that you are right and Luck is going to have to grow into that role. He's been the guy that has been assumed as the next guy carrying the torch. The league needs Luck to continue to progress and be the next top guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted June 22, 2017 Share Posted June 22, 2017 I may be in a very small minority but I don't love Carr as a prospect. I'd rather Winston and Mariota (and maybe others). Carr is good but he's a guy that I can certainly see regressing. I like all 3 but I'm a sucker for Winston's intangibles for whatever reason. I think he's the guy I see leading the heroic 2 min drive to win the Superbowl. You know Whaley's laughable explanation about how he's drawn to EJ and his presence? That's sort of how I feel about WInston. He's a natural leader in a way Mariota and Carr aren't. He's magnetic. Still love Carr and like Mariota. I'd rank them Winston, Carr, Mariota. I think that you are right and Luck is going to have to grow into that role. He's been the guy that has been assumed as the next guy carrying the torch. The league needs Luck to continue to progress and be the next top guy. He was right on track until a Bill ruptured his kidney in 2015. We may be responsible for the next 10 years of boring MNF matchups. If we can't enjoy the NFL, no one can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted June 22, 2017 Share Posted June 22, 2017 I like all 3 but I'm a sucker for Winston's intangibles for whatever reason. I think he's the guy I see leading the heroic 2 min drive to win the Superbowl. You know Whaley's laughable explanation about how he's drawn to EJ and his presence? That's sort of how I feel about WInston. He's a natural leader in a way Mariota and Carr aren't. He's magnetic. Still love Carr and like Mariota. I'd rank them Winston, Carr, Mariota. Said the same thing about Jameis. It's hard to put a finger on it but he "feels" like the guy. This may not make sense but Watson has those same intangibles but not the physical skills. When he got the ball back in the National Championship I firmly believed he was going to will them to victory. Jameis just seems like that. It's probably not the strongest argument but I just trust him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted June 22, 2017 Share Posted June 22, 2017 Said the same thing about Jameis. It's hard to put a finger on it but he "feels" like the guy. This may not make sense but Watson has those same intangibles but not the physical skills. When he got the ball back in the National Championship I firmly believed he was going to will them to victory. Jameis just seems like that. It's probably not the strongest argument but I just trust him. I think Whaley was just watching the wrong FSU tape the whole time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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