JM2009 Posted June 22, 2017 Share Posted June 22, 2017 Would it? We've all seen how Brock Osweiler has been an unsung hero in Houston because of how his defense has played. lol TT is far better than Osweiler. Here's the agenda folks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted June 22, 2017 Share Posted June 22, 2017 Would it? We've all seen how Brock Osweiler has been an unsung hero in Houston because of how his defense has played. The difference is he had 17 TDs and 16 INTs in Houston. He held them back. The Bills were a top 10 scoring offense with a QB that had 3:1 TD to Int or whatever. Again, I don't think Tyrod would be better if that were the case I just think that people would think more of him. At the same time if Alex Smith was 6-10 people would think less of him even if he played the exact same way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted June 22, 2017 Share Posted June 22, 2017 lol TT is far better than Osweiler. Here's the agenda folks. Yes, he is. There goes the agenda. Puff of smoke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM2009 Posted June 22, 2017 Share Posted June 22, 2017 Yes, he is. There goes the agenda. Puff of smoke. You made the comparison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan boy '92 Posted June 22, 2017 Share Posted June 22, 2017 I think we've all seen this offense struggle through most games with consecutive 3 and outs, cringing that the defense would be back out in less than two minutes. The stats are scewed with big plays, but it's still bad offensive football that loses games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted June 22, 2017 Share Posted June 22, 2017 I think we've all seen this offense struggle through most games with consecutive 3 and outs, cringing that the defense would be back out in less than two minutes. The stats are scewed with big plays, but it's still bad offensive football that loses games. Hmmm... based on your avatar (and your post) I'm guessing you're a guy from BBMB who used the same one and posted frequently. Am I wrong? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B Fan in LA Posted June 22, 2017 Share Posted June 22, 2017 At the end of the 2016 season, the Bills needed to make a decision about whether to give Tyrod a contract extension giving him significant salary upgrades. The Bills chose not to agree to that upgraded offer. Tyrod sat at home with a decision to make.............. There are 32 teams in the NFL. I'm sure Tyrod's agent contacted all of them. Not one team................nobody........................NFC.............AFC................CFL...................... NOBODY wanted this cat........................NOBODY ! So Tyrod decided to sign a contract with the Bills for a lot less than what had been proposed........... and Tyrod accepted the terms of the new restructured terms.................... paying him a lot less money........................ for what ??? a chance to use cap space to bring in some much needed upgrades to the Offense ?????? Show me where we upgraded the Offense, using cap space provided by Tyrod signing a reduced contract. Show me the money.............. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBillsFanSince1973 Posted June 22, 2017 Share Posted June 22, 2017 At the end of the 2016 season, the Bills needed to make a decision about whether to give Tyrod a contract extension giving him significant salary upgrades. The Bills chose not to agree to that upgraded offer. Tyrod sat at home with a decision to make.............. There are 32 teams in the NFL. I'm sure Tyrod's agent contacted all of them. Not one team................nobody........................NFC.............AFC................CFL...................... NOBODY wanted this cat........................NOBODY ! So Tyrod decided to sign a contract with the Bills for a lot less than what had been proposed........... and Tyrod accepted the terms of the new restructured terms.................... paying him a lot less money........................ for what ??? a chance to use cap space to bring in some much needed upgrades to the Offense ?????? Show me where we upgraded the Offense, using cap space provided by Tyrod signing a reduced contract. Show me the money.............. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted June 22, 2017 Share Posted June 22, 2017 You made the comparison. I know I did. What's your point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted June 22, 2017 Share Posted June 22, 2017 Here's a comparison for you. 28 TD 6 INT 63.8 % 3,937 yds passing17 TD 6 INT 61.7 % 3,023 yds passing The first one is what I would LOVE to see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8-8 Forever? Posted June 22, 2017 Share Posted June 22, 2017 (edited) TT's a good player, an above average QB. The issue is, can he be a guy who can win you 10+ games. We shall see. He seems like Fitz to me. Competes hard, good for the program, but just deficient enough to lose you a few games you really need to get to the playoffs. Edited June 22, 2017 by jmcraig44 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM2009 Posted June 22, 2017 Share Posted June 22, 2017 Hmmm... based on your avatar (and your post) I'm guessing you're a guy from BBMB who used the same one and posted frequently. Am I wrong? He's Jimbo from the BBMB. Same bad posting too. Just laugh it off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maury Ballstein Posted June 22, 2017 Share Posted June 22, 2017 (edited) Hmmm... based on your avatar (and your post) I'm guessing you're a guy from BBMB who used the same one and posted frequently. Am I wrong? He's Jimbo from the BBMB. Same bad posting too. Just laugh it off.No one cares about your petty bbmb beefs. We get it, we got it 5,000 posts ago. Both of you attack all who don't love Tyrod in a passive aggressive manner. Just PM each other. Edited June 22, 2017 by Maury Ballstein Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM2009 Posted June 22, 2017 Share Posted June 22, 2017 (edited) No one cares about your petty bbmb beefs. We get it, we got it 5,000 posts ago. Both of you attack all who don't love Tyrod in a passive aggressive manner. Just PM each other. I thought you were done posting in this thread. Edited June 22, 2017 by JM2009 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maury Ballstein Posted June 22, 2017 Share Posted June 22, 2017 I thought you were done posting in this thread. Ill be done when you tybots quit crusading and ruin another website. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted June 22, 2017 Share Posted June 22, 2017 No one cares about your petty bbmb beefs. We get it, we got it 5,000 posts ago. Both of you attack all who don't love Tyrod in a passive aggressive manner. Just PM each other. I fixed the problem on my end This post is hidden because you have chosen to ignore posts by JM2009. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM2009 Posted June 22, 2017 Share Posted June 22, 2017 I fixed the problem on my end This post is hidden because you have chosen to ignore posts by JM2009. Those with agendas cannot handle the truth. Anyone that would blame the second Miami loss on TT and not the defense has no business posting in the first place. Enjoy the season rooting against the starter. I'll put you on ignore so I don't get my blood pressure up reading any more of your ridiculous, biased posting, which numerous posters have proven wrong, yet you keep it up, day in and day out. Ill be done when you tybots quit crusading and ruin another website. Every message board is the same. To me, it takes little intelligence to realize that TT is far from terrible, and is the best option for 2017. He's an exciting player that can win with a good team around him. It's the cocky, arrogant, nasty, posters that actually ruin the message board experience. Guess which one you are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Gun Posted June 22, 2017 Share Posted June 22, 2017 When you score 34 points, break a franchise record for yards and leave the field with the lead and a minute to go how can a reasonable person pin that loss on the QB? That's not logical. I'm not picking on you but the people that think QB is the reason that they were 7-9 are so wrong. The offense played at a playoff level. The defense played at a 3 win level. The HC was awful as well. We need to stop using our emotions and start looking at the facts. The facts don't blame the guy that put up 31 points for the Fitz loss or Moore loss. That's someone with an agenda, not logic. What level did Atlantas defense play at? What level did Atlantas QB play at? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM2009 Posted June 22, 2017 Share Posted June 22, 2017 What level did Atlantas defense play at? What level did Atlantas QB play at? So an offense that isn't up to Atlanta is a failure? good to know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crusher Posted June 22, 2017 Share Posted June 22, 2017 No one cares about your petty bbmb beefs. We get it, we got it 5,000 posts ago. Both of you attack all who don't love Tyrod in a passive aggressive manner. Just PM each other. This is true. I'm glad I've been able to sit back and watch these posters continue to conduct themselves in the manner they are. I'm hoping many here (including the MODS) are taking note and realizing that these posters aren't what they claim to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBillsFanSince1973 Posted June 22, 2017 Share Posted June 22, 2017 I fixed the problem on my end This post is hidden because you have chosen to ignore posts by JM2009. only works when online, other wise you will be still reading his posts when you lurk, which everyone does. I find the ignore feature for those with either thin skin or they just can't restrain themselves to just skim over those posts they find annoying. Ill be done when you tybots quit crusading and ruin another website. kind of like those crusading the so called tybots? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Gun Posted June 22, 2017 Share Posted June 22, 2017 So an offense that isn't up to Atlanta is a failure? good to know. Didn't say anything about the offense Einstein. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Putin Posted June 22, 2017 Share Posted June 22, 2017 The Bills offense wasn't the issue. They've been top 10 DVOA the last two years. They scored a lot. In fact they lost 6 times last year while scoring 24 points. The AFC playoff teams had 5 such losses combined. I don't think that we need to convince people that the offense wasn't the problem. It wasn't perfect but wasn't near the top of the list of reasons that the Bills weren't in the playoffs. Will it continue? Will the defense take big strides? How much will McDermott & co upgrade the coaching? Will the best players stay healthy? A lot of "what ifs" but if the offense is top 7 in scoring again (where they were through 16 weeks) this team will win more than 7 games. How many close games did we lose last year by 6 points or less ? Many here blame the defense or praise TT for keeping us in the game by NOT turning the ball over , what bothers me is that TT was incapable ( beside the Titans game ) of putting together a game winning drive , so forgive me for not buying ( TT is better then we think ) he' is who think he is ( backup QB ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Moulds on my A** Posted June 22, 2017 Share Posted June 22, 2017 Ill be done when you tybots quit crusading and ruin another website. Drama, drama, drama... it's all you've got man. It's like daytime talk with you Maury Povich. Hot takes like tabloids. Take a lap and think it over bud. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted June 22, 2017 Share Posted June 22, 2017 What level did Atlantas defense play at? What level did Atlantas QB play at? Atlanta's offense scored 540 points, 71 more points than any other team in the league last year. That's 4.4 points per game more than everyone. They had the 2nd most passing TDs and the 3rd most rushing TDs. It's an anomaly. The year before that (with the same QB and same OC) they scored 339 points, good for T-21 in the league. In 2015 they passed for 21 TDs, good for T-23 (2 fewer than Buffalo's run first offense) and ran for 13 (T-12). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted June 22, 2017 Share Posted June 22, 2017 (edited) only works when online, other wise you will be still reading his posts when you lurk, which everyone does. I find the ignore feature for those with either thin skin or they just can't restrain themselves to just skim over those posts they find annoying. kind of like those crusading the so called tybots? I never browse here w/o logging in. I tolerated it, but his shenanigans and false personal accusations have reached a tipping point (again). If I don't see his insults or his misuse of the word agenda then I don't feel compelled to reply. Edited June 22, 2017 by ShadyBillsFan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted June 22, 2017 Share Posted June 22, 2017 How many close games did we lose last year by 6 points or less ? Many here blame the defense or praise TT for keeping us in the game by NOT turning the ball over , what bothers me is that TT was incapable ( beside the Titans game ) of putting together a game winning drive , so forgive me for not buying ( TT is better then we think ) he' is who think he is ( backup QB ) This is the stuff that bugs me, maybe more than it should. He was 'incapable' except when he wasn't. How about just saying he rarely did it? Also, for the record, he also had a GWD against the Jags this year, and the 2nd Miami game really should have been a game winning drive. Yeah I know, shoulda, coulda, woulda. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBillsFanSince1973 Posted June 22, 2017 Share Posted June 22, 2017 I never browse here w/o logging in. I tolerated it, but his shenanigans and false personal accusations have reached a tipping point (again). If I don't see his insults or his misuse of the word agenda then I don't feel compelled to reply. kind of rare but if that is the case, use it. maybe if all followed your lead, nobody would see what he posts and can live happily ever after... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maury Ballstein Posted June 22, 2017 Share Posted June 22, 2017 Drama, drama, drama... it's all you've got man. It's like daytime talk with you Maury Povich. Hot takes like tabloids. Take a lap and think it over bud. You're entitled to your opinion.......bud Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted June 22, 2017 Author Share Posted June 22, 2017 (edited) This is wrong. Tyrod was below average when not under pressure...he performed much better when facing pressure, which a number of us attribute to his mobility and playmaking ability. Crusher what do you mean that what I posted was "wrong"? Our offense's DVOA when Tyrod was under pressure was negative, that is a fact. It was also the 2nd highest DVOA in the league in that situation, that is also a fact. Our DVOA when he wasn't under pressure was average but it was also a positive number, another fact for you. The offense looks best when Tyrod is not under pressure. I mean, that should be obvious with or without stats. It's only good when he's under pressure insofar as other teams perform worse in the same situation. Where am I wrong? I am not sure you're really understanding how to interpret the stats I've presented. And I don't know how else to explain it. The argument you SHOULD be going with is that Tyrod is responsible for his own high under-pressure percentage since that's the only possible reasonable argument to be made. There, I just gave you a freebie. Edited June 22, 2017 by HappyDays Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted June 22, 2017 Share Posted June 22, 2017 kind of rare but if that is the case, use it. maybe if all followed your lead, nobody would see what he posts and can live happily ever after... I get that people will disagree, but the drama is ridiculous. You'd think a bunch of adults would act like adults. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stank_Nasty Posted June 22, 2017 Share Posted June 22, 2017 I get that people will disagree, but the drama is ridiculous. You'd think a bunch of adults would act like adults. i engaged in this crap for about a week once i found this board after BBMB, realized the handful of people arguing from either side look silly and so now i just graze through with occasional random input and just chuckle at most of this ridiculous dialogue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBillsFanSince1973 Posted June 22, 2017 Share Posted June 22, 2017 (edited) I get that people will disagree, but the drama is ridiculous. You'd think a bunch of adults would act like adults. drama does suck, I agree. I think the QB topic itself is nothing but drama and if both sides and those in between with their petty agendas would just realize that at this point and until those who make football decisions make the change, TT is the starting QB, like it or not. but, that wont happen. drama along with the crusading, agendas and heated debates against or for the QB will continue until and even after, if ever, a legitimate franchise QB is in place... Edited June 22, 2017 by DaBillsFanSince1973 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddaryl Posted June 22, 2017 Share Posted June 22, 2017 I agree with the masses. this silly 10 page debate over opinions about a simple form of entertainment is SAD those who can't walk away and keep engaging in a debate that will never end you're polluting this forum and offering nothing why do any of you feel you have to dig in and always get the last word in.. say your peace and move on to another topic for Christ sake. After you say it once its been said It happens on lots of message boards but its obvioulsly much worse now that the official BBMB is shut down, and the reason they shut it down was because of crap fest's like this one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted June 22, 2017 Share Posted June 22, 2017 drama does suck, I agree. I think the QB topic itself is nothing but drama and if both sides and those in between with their petty agendas would just realize that at this point and until those who make football decisions make the change, TT is the starting QB, like it or not. but, that wont happen, drama along with the crusading and agendas and heated debates against or for the QB will continue until and even after, if ever, a legitimate franchise QB is in place... We're all waiting for the bolded to happen the off season is way too long Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted June 22, 2017 Share Posted June 22, 2017 This thread has gone as expected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBillsFanSince1973 Posted June 22, 2017 Share Posted June 22, 2017 We're all waiting for the bolded to happen yeah, hopefully those young folks waiting wont turn in to a grey beard like I have after waiting for nearly two decades... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crusher Posted June 22, 2017 Share Posted June 22, 2017 (edited) Crusher what do you mean that what I posted was "wrong"? Our offense's DVOA when Tyrod was under pressure was negative, that is a fact. It was also the 2nd highest DVOA in the league in that situation, that is also a fact. Our DVOA when he wasn't under pressure was average but it was also a positive number, another fact for you. The offense looks best when Tyrod is not under pressure. I mean, that should be obvious with or without stats. It's only good when he's under pressure insofar as other teams perform worse in the same situation. Where am I wrong? I am not sure you're really understanding how to interpret the stats I've presented. And I don't know how else to explain it. The argument you SHOULD be going with is that Tyrod is responsible for his own high under-pressure percentage since that's the only possible reasonable argument to be made. There, I just gave you a freebie. Tyrod was below league average when not under pressure. You said he was even better with time to throw, and he is not...that came from an article Transplant posted himself. Edited June 22, 2017 by Crusher Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted June 22, 2017 Share Posted June 22, 2017 So I was on my way to the popcorn store and I see that this has no longer become a "safe" place and probably subject to being mod closed soon. Hugs to you all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stank_Nasty Posted June 22, 2017 Share Posted June 22, 2017 (edited) yeah, hopefully those young folks waiting wont turn in to a grey beard like I have after waiting for nearly two decades... ugh.... i noticed my first greys in the chin sweater last winter.... Come on, Mr. Beane! TICK TOCK TICK TOCK. Edited June 22, 2017 by Stank_Nasty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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