PFF: The Unstoppable Run Schemes of the Buffalo Bills

[Thurman#1]

Top 10 in offensive touchdowns.

 

I agree we need a better passing game, but not to the extent Bills fans think.

 

 

 

Yup. Top ten in offensive touchdowns.

 

And 37% of those TDs came on passes. 17 out of 46. So yeah, we need a better passing game. To a very large extent.

 

By the way, know how many other NFL teams scored less than 50% of their TDs on running plays? Zero. Our passing game was simply below par.

 

Having lost Roman and Gillislee (Roman being the key factor), we're unlikely to do as well this year running. Last year's 29 running TDs wasn't just best in the league it was far and away the best. The second-best team had 24 and the two teams tied for third had 20. We're not likely to get 29 running TDs again. The pass game is going to have to step it up bigtime for this team to be competitive. That's part of the reason why the consensus among the pundits of progressive prognostication is maybe five to six wins this year.

Edited June 16, 2017 by Thurman#1

[GunnerBill]

He was a very good rotational back... And I hope you are right, but when McCoy goes down Tolbert and JW are our RBs. Cringe worthy.

 

I still think either Banyard or O'Neal end up making he team. Our best hope is one of them is an undiscovered gem like TD Mike was.

[racketmaster]

Excellent article. To me, Taylor is the most important piece to the Bills running game. As far as quarterbacks, Tyrod's running skills are the best in the NFL because of his combination of speed, instincts and agility. He has a skill set similar to what you would see from a slot wr or third down rb. Pair that with his ability to make NFL throws (especially deep balls) and TT is a headache for defensive coordinators. Defenses game plan to stop Taylor on the ground and when he is left uncovered it is often a mistake on the defenders part and not by design.

[Johnny Hammersticks]

Yards before initial contact. Will MG have the same success in NE?

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.patspulpit.com/platform/amp/2017/6/15/15802936/one-statistic-that-could-stop-the-mike-gillislee-hype-train-in-its-tracks

[CanadianFan]

 

Far too much lament over the loss of a backup RB IMO.

 

I agree

[Thurman#1]

Yards before initial contact. Will MG have the same success in NE?

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.patspulpit.com/platform/amp/2017/6/15/15802936/one-statistic-that-could-stop-the-mike-gillislee-hype-train-in-its-tracks

 

 

 

5.7 YPC, no he almost certainly won't.

 

But will he be a valued and successful rotational contributor who will deserve the salary he's getting? Yeah, probably.

Yes but what does it matter how you score Touchdowns if your scoring a lot of Touchdowns?

 

The end result is the same, correct?

 

 

Yeah.

 

And the end result was that the run game was very very good and the pass game was below average. Yup, it still totals the same way, but the run game simply looked terrific and the pass game just didn't.

 

You tried to use the total offensive stats to prove the pass game didn't need much improvement. What that actually proves is that the run game didn't need any and the offensive totals were solid too, basically because the run game (with a run-game genius coach who is now gone) was superb. Doesn't mean the pass game wasn't sub-standard, though. It was.

Edited June 16, 2017 by Thurman#1

[oldmanfan]

I suspect Williams will fill in just fine. They want a one cut hit the hole guy and he's that. Just needs to make sure he holds onto the ball.

[Chandler#81]

The pass game didn't look awful by any means. It was OK, yes it needs to improve.

 

My point was people B word about the offense and Tyrod but overall they were a good unit that scored TDs.... The defense was the main culprit last season. They were atrocious.

Can't & won't deny the great back to back League rushing titles, BUT, with pedestrian or hobbled WR's for the majority of the season, there was too much emphasis on running which caused far too may 3 and outs overall. Some games we went a couple quarters w/o 1 one first down.. Yes, Wrecks' defense was porous, but they were forced onto the field too often last year, IMO.

[oldmanfan]

Based on what?

 

He looked awful in all aspects last season.

He had an issue with his foot

[GunnerBill]

Don't let Big Cats heat maps fool you.

 

They were actually good at staying on the field and reducing the 3 and outs after Roman was fired.

 

No it's 3 and outs in bunches you need to look at.... errr... no.... it's 3 and outs when the game is within 7 points...... errr... no.... it's 3 and outs on days when the wind is blowing south westerly......

 

The problem with the defense was the defense.

[mjt328]

I dont care about having the #1 Run game, its not how you get to the superbowl. You MUST be able to throw the damn ball and do it well. I would rather drop to 8th or 10th in rushing and greatly increase our passing numbers.

 

Most of this statement is short-sighted and incorrect.

 

The marks of a good offense are POINTS SCORED, AVOIDING TURNOVERS and EFFICIENCY.

How a team manages to accomplish these things (running or passing) is completely and totally irrelevant.

 

Does this mean our passing game is good enough right now? Absolutely not. There are going to be times where the team is behind without much time on the clock, and Tyrod Taylor is forced to move the ball with his arm. These are moments when the run game will not help and the QB can't afford to play it safe. We need Tyrod to get better in these moments. No doubt.

 

But I hate when people suggest the Bills should just forget the run and become a passing team, because "that's what wins in the NFL." It's just not true.

[njbuff]

Watkins and Clay have to stay healthy.

 

A third receiving option needs to emerge.

 

Taylor needs to be a better thrower. 2 years of starting may help that.

 

Or this running game will amount nothing.

 

Also, a better tackling defense is the team's biggest weakness that needs to shore up or playoff talk is dead.

[oldmanfan]

If I were Beane and McD, I would get out ahead of the NFL curve, Right now the focus is passing game, and as such defenses are going to more DB's, LB's that are smaller and can cover, and so on. So I'd get as many big uglies as I could get up front, have Dimarco at FB, and Shady, go out and get a battering ram type RB to complement McCoy, and I'd run a three tackle, one TE, and Sammy out wide. And I'd just cram the ball down the other team's throat. And when they put 9 guys in the box, either my big uglies beat their guys, or play action and hit Sammy for an easy throw.

 

Four yards and a cloud of ground up tires. Beat them into submission, control the ball for 45 minutes of every game.

[3rdand12]

 

I still think either Banyard or O'Neal end up making he team. Our best hope is one of them is an undiscovered gem like TD Mike was.

ONeal will get the nod because youth

And Tolbert is NOT cringe worthy at all. pull your self together ScotLaw

I suspect Williams will fill in just fine. They want a one cut hit the hole guy and he's that. Just needs to make sure he holds onto the ball.

I dont think that is what they want. Is this a zone line scheme coming? power to the outside and find the cutback gaps.Best option wins.

Maybe they will run between Tackles since they have Toblerone and Dimarco and O'Leary.

What makes you think they want the one cut guy?

Consider me humble here.

I might think it will be a RBs choice to find the best lane and work the levels. Not so much as last years, beat the LB and run like hell

[3rdand12]

If I were Beane and McD, I would get out ahead of the NFL curve, Right now the focus is passing game, and as such defenses are going to more DB's, LB's that are smaller and can cover, and so on. So I'd get as many big uglies as I could get up front, have Dimarco at FB, and Shady, go out and get a battering ram type RB to complement McCoy, and I'd run a three tackle, one TE, and Sammy out wide. And I'd just cram the ball down the other team's throat. And when they put 9 guys in the box, either my big uglies beat their guys, or play action and hit Sammy for an easy throw.

 

Four yards and a cloud of ground up tires. Beat them into submission, control the ball for 45 minutes of every game.

This as Romans, and likely Lynn's vision roughly. Roman wanted to win with the run. And he nearly could.

I did think it was to buck the trend of LBrs and Safeties becoming so nickle and dime. (ha).

 

And i still think it is the Bills mantra. Hence two 2 FBs ? Or the Bowling Bowl theory in Mike Tolbert. I hope so.

 

With having a reasonable WR core now whom have had, and will have time to get reps with TT, The Pass game will expand after all.

 

I mean HEY Sammy caught a screen pass in Practice this week !!

Hope lives

[oldmanfan]

ONeal will get the nod because youth

And Tolbert is NOT cringe worthy at all. pull your self together ScotLaw

 

I dont think that is what they want. Is this a zone line scheme coming? power to the outside and find the cutback gaps.Best option wins.

Maybe they will run between Tackles since they have Toblerone and Dimarco and O'Leary.

What makes you think they want the one cut guy?

Consider me humble here.

I might think it will be a RBs choice to find the best lane and work the levels. Not so much as last years, beat the LB and run like hell

Forget where I read it but Williams talked about the one cut thing. Shady isn't that but Shady is a different beast entirely.

[hondo in seattle]

 

 

 

Yup. Top ten in offensive touchdowns.

 

And 37% of those TDs came on passes. 17 out of 46. So yeah, we need a better passing game. To a very large extent.

 

By the way, know how many other NFL teams scored less than 50% of their TDs on running plays? Zero. Our passing game was simply below par.

 

Having lost Roman and Gillislee (Roman being the key factor), we're unlikely to do as well this year running. Last year's 29 running TDs wasn't just best in the league it was far and away the best. The second-best team had 24 and the two teams tied for third had 20. We're not likely to get 29 running TDs again. The pass game is going to have to step it up bigtime for this team to be competitive. That's part of the reason why the consensus among the pundits of progressive prognostication is maybe five to six wins this year.

 

Thurman, I respect you as one of the more intelligent posters on this board but I have to disagree to an extent.

 

Let's say the Bills score 100 offensive TDs this year. But only 37 of the 100 TDs came through the air. Would you still be disappointed in the passing game?

 

The percent of TDs that come through the air is meaningless.

 

Think about this: teams today generally pass more than they run. So today's defenses (schemes, rosters, lineups) are more designed to stop the pass than the run. In fact, defenses are in nickel and dime packages about 60% of the time.

 

The ancient Chinese strategist, Sun Tzu, said it's best to 'attack where there is no defense.' So if defenses are trying to stop the pass, maybe the smart thing to do right now is run. It's certainly the smart thing to do when your RB is better than your QB.

 

In the end, why do we care how we get our points as long as we score more than our opponent?

 

Last year, we were in the top 10 in scoring but our D was weak. We need to get better at D. But you're right - we're unlikely to be as effective on the ground this year as we were last year. So - to stay in the top 10 in scoring - we're going to have to develop a better passing game. And I think we will - screw the pundits.

[Foxx]

Most of this statement is short-sighted and incorrect.

 

The marks of a good offense are POINTS SCORED, AVOIDING TURNOVERS and EFFICIENCY.

How a team manages to accomplish these things (running or passing) is completely and totally irrelevant.

 

Does this mean our passing game is good enough right now? Absolutely not. There are going to be times where the team is behind without much time on the clock, and Tyrod Taylor is forced to move the ball with his arm. These are moments when the run game will not help and the QB can't afford to play it safe. We need Tyrod to get better in these moments. No doubt.

 

But I hate when people suggest the Bills should just forget the run and become a passing team, because "that's what wins in the NFL." It's just not true.

"... How a team manages to accomplish these things (running or passing) is completely and totally irrelevant." ...

 

while i might agree with the gist of this, it is not totally irrelevant. if you have a team, much like the Bills last year, that is based upon the ground game and their passing game is not really up to snuf, then when they get behind and have to play catch up, it becomes very relevant. when teams are behind, they rely moreso on their passing game to quickly catch up. same applies if you are losing and there are only 2 minutes remaining in the game. at that point, it becomes imperative that your passing game can flourish.

Edited June 17, 2017 by Foxx

[3rdand12]

Forget where I read it but Williams talked about the one cut thing. Shady isn't that but Shady is a different beast entirely.

I believe JW said that.

Lets see how these guys use him I suppose. Watching his highlight videos last year post draft, the Kid has potential for sure. Shame his foot was holding him back last year. And yes, Shady is a beast, entirely

 

Thurman, I respect you as one of the more intelligent posters on this board but I have to disagree to an extent.

 

Let's say the Bills score 100 offensive TDs this year. But only 37 of the 100 TDs came through the air. Would you still be disappointed in the passing game?

 

The percent of TDs that come through the air is meaningless.

 

Think about this: teams today generally pass more than they run. So today's defenses (schemes, rosters, lineups) are more designed to stop the pass than the run. In fact, defenses are in nickel and dime packages about 60% of the time.

 

The ancient Chinese strategist, Sun Tzu, said it's best to 'attack where there is no defense.' So if defenses are trying to stop the pass, maybe the smart thing to do right now is run. It's certainly the smart thing to do when your RB is better than your QB.

 

In the end, why do we care how we get our points as long as we score more than our opponent?

 

Last year, we were in the top 10 in scoring but our D was weak. We need to get better at D. But you're right - we're unlikely to be as effective on the ground this year as we were last year. So - to stay in the top 10 in scoring - we're going to have to develop a better passing game. And I think we will - screw the pundits.

you cannot just snatch out of your hip pocket "Art of War" and expect to go unnoticed did you?

 

The end game is what matters. How you win matters not.

 

BTW I love the run game. very biased. But i miss real dirt too

"... How a team manages to accomplish these things (running or passing) is completely and totally irrelevant." ...

 

while i might agree with the gist of this, it is not totally irrelevant. if you have a team, much like the Bills last year, that is based upon the ground game and their passing game is not really up to snuf, then when they get behind and have to play catch up, it becomes very relevant. when teams are behind, they rely moreso on their passing game to quickly catch up. same applies if you are losing and there are only 2 minutes remaining in the game. at that point, it becomes imperative that your passing game can flourish.

Foxx, i feel to win football games over the season long, you must be able to do both. different teams bring different defenses to the stadium.

Whatever combination works On Any Sunday, is swell with me

How they do that is irrelevant

[vincec]

https://www.profootballfocus.com/pro-the-unstoppable-option-run-schemes-of-the-buffalo-bills/

 

Nice little read about our option runs under Roman & Lynn with a few gifs. One of the big questions going into next season will be if Dennison can replicate our successful ground game. Tyrod's value as a runner cannot be understated, no matter what you think of him as a passer.

 

Couple things in the gifs regarding past Bills: Hope any of our new WRs blocks like Woods. Love his hustle down the field on that first play. Always with the runner, looking for someone to hit. Gillislee's ability to make one cut into the hole and just get downfield is something we need to see from JWill (or whoever our RB2 is). I hope he doesn't gash us next year.

No one could have gotten more from an offense with Taylor at QB than Roman & Lynn did, IMO. There's only one way to go now.