baskingridgebillsfan Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 And EJ looked his best as a rookie! He got worse after 4 years of Bills "coaching". Marrone ruined any chance E.j has to be a solid qb. Rex wasted our time far more . Whaley gave HCs the players they wanted. yes No need to be so sensitive, the report from Graham is new and for many of us it is interesting. what is new about it ? same garbage from Tim over and over Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PO16FFS Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 Whaley is human. He didn't waste anyones time. He did his best. Good luck DW. Onto Mcdermott Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 Doug Whaley is a good fella and he did a reasonably good job with lots of coaching turmoil and turnover. Best of luck to him in the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 The Pegulas wasted everyone's time by learning on the job and hiring two glorified scouts as GMs to learn on the job at the same time. Hard to blame Whaley. New owners should bring in experienced football/hockey folks. In which universe did Pegulas hire Whaley? You can make an argument that they should have fired Whaley when they took over the team, but that would fit into the 100% hindsight rule. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baskingridgebillsfan Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 Whaley was 24-24 the last three years. He had a coach that he didn't pick let him down big time in the last two years. His crime was not getting a qb. Guess what when you hire a Gm it is more likely that you won't get one then you will. Doug was hung for how he communicated with both the fans and especially the local media. All in all he wasn't a disaster he was ok. Maybe being the head of an organization doesn't match his skill set, we will see. The man can evaluate talent and will find work , lets see how it the future plays out. The future is unwritten after all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 I don't think that there's ANY doubt that Whaley was better at his job than Rex was at his. He wasn't perfect by any means but wasn't incompetent either. I wish him the best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 so Pegs saves the team from leaving and you are not willing to give him a few years learning curve? Remember Marrone left and that put them in a tough spot from Jump Street. You know the alternatives were Trump, and he would have moved that team the first chance he got and Bon Jovi who was taking them to Canada . Lighten up on the Pegs Who are you replying to? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real McClappy Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 There is an irony here. When he finally came to the realization that he needed to use a high draft pick on a qb he lost his authority to select one in this year's draft. I believe that he wanted to draft either Mahomes or Watson in the first round. It was too late because he was no longer making those decisions for the organization. I never understood his passivity on the qb issue. In the end he sabotaged himself by not being aggressive enough in addressing the qb issue. Because of the fixation on Tyrod Taylor amounting to something he most likely never will become. Whaley knew/Knows this and would have drafted a QB round1 this year if in control. It will be interesting to see what Mahomes will become in the league and if this franchise made a huge cluster F at the position like so many years in the past by ignoring it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 Because of the fixation on Tyrod Taylor amounting to something he most likely never will become. Whaley knew/Knows this and would have drafted a QB round1 this year if in control. It will be interesting to see what Mahomes will become in the league and if this franchise made a huge cluster F at the position like so many years in the past by ignoring it. So if that is the case who gets blamed? Whaley or McEverything? Maybe that's why McDermott kept Whaley around for the draft? To be his whipping boy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baskingridgebillsfan Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 The Pegulas wasted everyone's time by learning on the job and hiring two glorified scouts as GMs to learn on the job at the same time. Hard to blame Whaley. New owners should bring in experienced football/hockey folks. so Pegs saves the team from leaving and you are not willing to give him a few years learning curve? Remember Marrone left and that put them in a tough spot from Jump Street. You know the alternatives were Trump, and he would have moved that team the first chance he got and Bon Jovi who was taking them to Canada . Lighten up on the Pegs Who are you replying to? my bad apologies So if that is the case who gets blamed? Whaley or McEverything? Maybe that's why McDermott kept Whaley around for the draft? To be his whipping boy. I agree that Whaley was going to take a qb. He watched Taylor for two years and understood he was extremely limited. Mceverything is like a lot of non Bills fans who like to tell me how good Taylor is . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 Every one on the team for the past 17 years has wasted out time. /thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baskingridgebillsfan Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 Every one on the team for the past 17 years has wasted out time. /thread F Russ lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 My goodness, all I can say is that jm2009 is loving all the EJ hate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buftex Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 (edited) Rex wasted our time far more . Whaley gave HCs the players they wanted. 100% agree. Rex Ryan was a huge mistake, by the owners. People can blast Whaley all they want, but he never allowed to pick his own coach. I think it is easy to blast him for EJ Manuel, but at the same time (and it has been said a million times) EJ was drafted, with the knowledge that he wasn't a polished NFL starter level talent. He was going to take time. Head coaches and GMs can have different priorities. Manuel started out respectably, got injured, and never really had any sort of real sustained chance to play again. He never had much of a leash...lets' not forget, Manual missed most of his rookie season, but when he was in there, he didn't look as terrible as is being made out. So, the next season (and it seems logical to me) they went out and added what was viewed as one of the best players in that draft, in Sammy Watkins. Would anyone question that they needed an upgrade at the WR position at that point? Not saying every move Whaley made was fantastic, but I don't think he is near the failure that some here make him out to be. I would argue that the coaching was as big a problem for this team during his tenure, than personnel was. Ryan was an epic failure on all football matters, and Marrone had a pretty wretched and inexperienced offensive staff. Lets just hope they got everything right this time... Edited May 23, 2017 by Buftex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM2009 Posted May 23, 2017 Author Share Posted May 23, 2017 And EJ looked his best as a rookie! He got worse after 4 years of Bills "coaching". Oh my goodness. This is ridiculous. EJ is not a good NFL QB. he does not have the gifts for it. He is what he was in College. He was a project pick. Whaley was not a good GM. TT is a decent alternative till there is better. Maybe McDermott found a gem in Peterman. The defense was the main problem. This roster is still average at best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buftex Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 I don't think that there's ANY doubt that Whaley was better at his job than Rex was at his. He wasn't perfect by any means but wasn't incompetent either. I wish him the best. Agreed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM2009 Posted May 23, 2017 Author Share Posted May 23, 2017 My goodness, all I can say is that jm2009 is loving all the EJ hate Sigh. EJ proved to be a bad NFL QB. Whaley pushed him on two staffs. I do not went bad at any position on the Bills. Any bad player needs to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baskingridgebillsfan Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 Sigh. EJ proved to be a bad NFL QB. Whaley pushed him on two staffs. I do not went bad at any position on the Bills. Any bad player needs to go. Sigh. EJ proved to be a bad NFL QB. Whaley pushed him on two staffs. I do not went bad at any position on the Bills. Any bad player needs to go. Pushed him on two staffs, we have no evidence of that. He drafted him to develop him. He was forced to play as a rookie and faired ok for a rookie. Whaley Brought in Orton year 2 , cassal and Tayor the following Year. If he was forcing him on the staff he would have done the Billy beane thing in Moneyball and lef the coach with no option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM2009 Posted May 23, 2017 Author Share Posted May 23, 2017 100% agree. Rex Ryan was a huge mistake, by the owners. People can blast Whaley all they want, but he never allowed to pick his own coach. I think it is easy to blast him for EJ Manuel, but at the same time (and it has been said a million times) EJ was drafted, with the knowledge that he wasn't a polished NFL starter level talent. He was going to take time. Head coaches and GMs can have different priorities. Manuel started out respectably, got injured, and never really had any sort of real sustained chance to play again. He never had much of a leash...lets' not forget, Manual missed most of his rookie season, but when he was in there, he didn't look as terrible as is being made out. So, the next season (and it seems logical to me) they went out and added what was viewed as one of the best players in that draft, in Sammy Watkins. Would anyone question that they needed an upgrade at the WR position at that point? Not saying every move Whaley made was fantastic, but I don't think he is near the failure that some here make him out to be. I would argue that the coaching was as big a problem for this team during his tenure, than personnel was. Ryan was an epic failure on all football matters, and Marrone had a pretty wretched and inexperienced offensive staff. Lets just hope they got everything right this time... There is so much wrong with this post, I don't know where to begin. EJ was a project pick that never should have been picked in the first round. He had plenty of chances-he failed. Two coaching staffs realized he was not starter material. He had to be benched. He's a draft bust because he was taken in the first round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 In which universe did Pegulas hire Whaley? You can make an argument that they should have fired Whaley when they took over the team, but that would fit into the 100% hindsight rule. They should've at least found a way to surround him with experienced football personnel, such as a "czar" or whatever you want to call it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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