jeffismagic Posted May 24, 2017 Share Posted May 24, 2017 I've said it in other postings that this is at least a three year project to get back into being a relevant team. I strongly disagree with those who believe that the Bills will be a playoff team this year. In my mind they are not close because this roster is simply too thin and lacks depth that a grinding season requires. If the Bills draft a qb next year then that prospect is going to take at least another two to three years to get acclimated to the pro game. If the pressure gets too strong for a more immediate result then the free agent or trade market could also be an option to help this team become respectable. I still strongly contend that the Bills made a big mistake not selecting either Watson or Mahomes in this year's draft. Avoiding an issue is not addressing an issue! I agree with your assessment. What should happen and what does happen in Buffalo are two entirely different things. I believe they pull the plug on Beane/McD in January 2019 if they have two losing seasons to start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted May 24, 2017 Share Posted May 24, 2017 What should happen and what does happen in Buffalo are two entirely different things. I believe they pull the plug on Beane/McD in January 2019 if they have two losing seasons to start. After a full wipe and reset they absolutely cannot afford to reset in 2 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted May 24, 2017 Share Posted May 24, 2017 What should happen and what does happen in Buffalo are two entirely different things. I believe they pull the plug on Beane/McD in January 2019 if they have two losing seasons to start. That would make absolutely no sense with any kind of long range vision in mind. Cannot see this as any kind of realistic scenario as their plans to remake the football department and roster would have barely taken hold two years in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffismagic Posted May 24, 2017 Share Posted May 24, 2017 That would make absolutely no sense with any kind of long range vision in mind. Cannot see this as any kind of realistic scenario as their plans to remake the football department and roster would have barely taken hold two years in. Why should moves make sense? What long term vision? This is about getting the fans to buy in. They won't be able to sell fans on McD if he loses and his defense is no good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted May 24, 2017 Share Posted May 24, 2017 Why should moves make sense? What long term vision? This is about getting the fans to buy in. They won't be able to sell fans on McD if he loses and his defense is no good. No it isn't. It's about a long term plan for success. Bringing in a new regime and getting rid of them after two seasons just isn't going to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris heff Posted May 24, 2017 Share Posted May 24, 2017 The BN writers just can't give it up, Vic's article today is the definition of beating a dead horse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffismagic Posted May 24, 2017 Share Posted May 24, 2017 No it isn't. It's about a long term plan for success. Bringing in a new regime and getting rid of them after two seasons just isn't going to happen. If the new guys are worse than Rex and Rob Ryan they should be shown the door as quickly as possible. No reason to stay with them if they are losers. McDermott sold the Pegulas on winning this year. He brought back the veteran QB. It's on him to win now as he declined to rebuild. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted May 24, 2017 Share Posted May 24, 2017 Come on. He pushed EJ right till the end. "Whaley the martyr" is laughable. Your posting is ridiculous. For a guy that beats the drum for change, this defense of Whaley and QBs is comical. Yeah, if anyone deserves any sympathy, it's Russ Brandon. His 2013 Master Plan to untarnished the brand was a complete disaster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted May 24, 2017 Share Posted May 24, 2017 If the new guys are worse than Rex and Rob Ryan they should be shown the door as quickly as possible. No reason to stay with them if they are losers. McDermott sold the Pegulas on winning this year. He brought back the veteran QB. It's on him to win now as he declined to rebuild. The decision to bring in the new regime is about more than the next two seasons. But no one can tell you any different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffismagic Posted May 24, 2017 Share Posted May 24, 2017 (edited) The decision to bring in the new regime is about more than the next two seasons. But no one can tell you any different. The Pegulas are paying a lot of people not to work for them. The length of the contracts they signed is meaningless. Last two coaches Pegulas hired got 2 years or less and they were fired. Edited May 24, 2017 by jeffismagic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted May 24, 2017 Share Posted May 24, 2017 The decision to bring in the new regime is about more than the next two seasons. But no one can tell you any different. It would seem that, in his mind, the Bills have gone 6-10 in 2017, passed on a QB in the '18 draft, and then gone 4-12 in 2018. Meanwhile Mahomes has won OROY, the 2017 Super Bowl, and was the 2017 Super Bowl MVP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted May 24, 2017 Share Posted May 24, 2017 The Pegulas are paying a lot of people not to work for them. The length of the contracts they signed is meaningless. Last two coaches Pegulas hired got 2 years or less and they were fired. Who's talking length of contract? The point is the necessary time to implement change. This the 1st GM-Coach combination that the Pegulas have directly hired and they'll give them three years at least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted May 24, 2017 Share Posted May 24, 2017 (edited) What should happen and what does happen in Buffalo are two entirely different things. I believe they pull the plug on Beane/McD in January 2019 if they have two losing seasons to start. You're off the mark. But that's okay. On this issue I'm in the corner of 26CornerBlitz. As was stated by him Pegula did a complete reconstruction, not a quick rehabbing. Edited May 24, 2017 by JohnC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffismagic Posted May 24, 2017 Share Posted May 24, 2017 (edited) You're off the mark. But that's okay. On this issue I'm in the corner of 26CornerBlitz. We're both guessing or extrapolating. The difference is I am using past performance of ownership as a guide and you and 26 are saying what you feel SHOULD happen. If these guys are good none of this will matter. If they lose right out of the gate I believe this will be a hot topic. Edited May 24, 2017 by jeffismagic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoFFacet Posted May 24, 2017 Share Posted May 24, 2017 The Pegulas are paying a lot of people not to work for them. The length of the contracts they signed is meaningless. Last two coaches Pegulas hired got 2 years or less and they were fired. And? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted May 24, 2017 Share Posted May 24, 2017 He could but he is so thinned skinned that he would be afraid to post it. He was once challenged by a Bills fan about something he stated during a game, and his response was literally "You don't even follow me. Go hump your fist." He truly is the Donald Trump of sports writers. Skin so thin he should have a reservoir tip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoFFacet Posted May 24, 2017 Share Posted May 24, 2017 (edited) We're both guessing or extrapolating. The difference is I am using past performance of ownership as a guide and you and 26 are saying what you feel SHOULD happen. If these guys are good none of this will matter. If they lose right out of the gate I believe this will be a hot topic. You're assuming that present trends continue. The "trend" in question has two data points, neither of which are identical random experiments as compared to eachother, or as compared to data point 3. This is how people with flawed comprehension of a subject matter convince themselves that they are a knowledgeable expert. Edited May 24, 2017 by SoFFacet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffismagic Posted May 24, 2017 Share Posted May 24, 2017 You're assuming that present trends continue. The "trend" in question has two data points. This is how people with flawed comprehension of a subject matter convince themselves that they are a knowledgeable expert. 2 data points is greater than zero. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted May 24, 2017 Share Posted May 24, 2017 We're both guessing or extrapolating. The difference is I am using past performance of ownership as a guide and you and 26 are saying what you feel SHOULD happen. If these guys are good none of this will matter. If they lose right out of the gate I believe this will be a hot topic. Do you really believe that the reactive owner is thinking he is involved in a quick fix with a completely remade football operation? Everything was replaced from the previous regime. The scouting department was summarily dismissed; the front office was wiped clean and the HC completely took over the operation before the GM was even officially fired. Pegula is not a fool. He wanted a new slate and he got it. Some might consider him incompetent as an owner but he isn't a fool. From an organizational standpoint this is a start-over. It's not a complete start-over for the roster but it will steadily be culled. He knows it's going to take time because that is the stark reality that he placed himself in when he went full buy in with the wrestling coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted May 24, 2017 Share Posted May 24, 2017 He sure wasted my time watching that presser way too late after Rex's dismissal/resignation/whatever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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