papazoid Posted May 11, 2017 Share Posted May 11, 2017 who is TBG ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fridge Posted May 11, 2017 Share Posted May 11, 2017 I have no idea how the McD + Beane tandem will turn out and I pray to God this is finally the answer. I think it's very possible the team could be on the verge of figuring this whole mess out and turning the culture into a winning one, but I'm also reserving my right to withhold any optimism until they show signs of a winning consistently. Too many times I've been burned by this team to just sit by and accept every single thing they do as a positive move. So, with all that...it blows my mind how snarky some of the answers here are. I'm a die-hard fan just like all of you, but I cannot understand how many people continually defend this franchise, decision-after-decision, after 17 brutal, playoff-less seasons. The OP wants accountability? Heck yeah - so do I. Asking him why he "deserves" it, is pathetic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted May 11, 2017 Share Posted May 11, 2017 who is TBG ? Leroi likes to call McDermott "The Bald Ginger" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fridge Posted May 11, 2017 Share Posted May 11, 2017 Leroi likes to call McDermott "The Bald Ginger" He might not be the best inside source, but he's OUR inside source. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffismagic Posted May 11, 2017 Share Posted May 11, 2017 He's in the Box o' Shout right now: @ Leroi : (11 May 2017 - 03:25 PM)Whaley ran the draft; he worked the trades, made the selections. Of course, TBG had a say on who was drafted. But Whaley was the lead. @ Leroi : (11 May 2017 - 03:26 PM)Dawkins was TBG's influence Yes, Whaley sat in the GM chair and did his job. McDermott had final call on every pick and trade. What is funny to me is Pegula saying Whaley ran the draft. Can Terry start taking responsibility and telling the truth? Give Sean the credit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted May 11, 2017 Share Posted May 11, 2017 Yes, Whaley sat in the GM chair and did his job. McDermott had final call on every pick and trade. What is funny to me is Pegula saying Whaley ran the draft. Can Terry start taking responsibility and telling the truth? Give Sean the credit. Which are you saying: Did Whaley make the picks or McDermott? He might not be the best inside source, but he's OUR inside source. He's quite cheeky indeed...but his info has been rock solid this entire offseason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffismagic Posted May 11, 2017 Share Posted May 11, 2017 Which are you saying: Did Whaley make the picks or McDermott? He's quite cheeky indeed...but his info has been rock solid this entire offseason. If Doug Whaley told me over a beer that he made the picks I wouldn't believe him. It defies all known rules of human power and organization. Terry Pegula certainly wants to muddy the water? Why? If Sean is such a great GM give him his credit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted May 11, 2017 Share Posted May 11, 2017 If Doug Whaley told me over a beer that he made the picks I wouldn't believe him. It defies all known rules of human power and organization. Terry Pegula certainly wants to muddy the water? Why? If Sean is such a great GM give him his credit. Okay, I'm out of this one--you're no longer making sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffismagic Posted May 11, 2017 Share Posted May 11, 2017 Okay, I'm out of this one--you're no longer making sense. Terry Pegula stated Whaley ran the draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted May 11, 2017 Share Posted May 11, 2017 Terry Pegula stated Whaley ran the draft. And Leroi is saying the same thing...you clearly believe that both people are lying, and I have no intention of arguing with something that can't be proven. We can either take the word of the guy whose info has been spot-on all offseason, or we can ignore it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MRW Posted May 11, 2017 Share Posted May 11, 2017 I have no idea how the McD + Beane tandem will turn out and I pray to God this is finally the answer. I think it's very possible the team could be on the verge of figuring this whole mess out and turning the culture into a winning one, but I'm also reserving my right to withhold any optimism until they show signs of a winning consistently. Too many times I've been burned by this team to just sit by and accept every single thing they do as a positive move. So, with all that...it blows my mind how snarky some of the answers here are. I'm a die-hard fan just like all of you, but I cannot understand how many people continually defend this franchise, decision-after-decision, after 17 brutal, playoff-less seasons. The OP wants accountability? Heck yeah - so do I. Asking him why he "deserves" it, is pathetic. Deserve's got nothing to do with it. I mean, it's not a bad question to ask, but it seems pretty clear the team has no interest in offering up an individual for outsiders to hold accountable. If you can't live with that, then you should exert the pressure that you can on the team - but I don't thinking bitching on a fan site amounts to anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted May 11, 2017 Share Posted May 11, 2017 And Leroi is saying the same thing...you clearly believe that both people are lying, and I have no intention of arguing with something that can't be proven. We can either take the word of the guy whose info has been spot-on all offseason, or we can ignore it. Ignoring is a good idea, but not Leroi. Someone has their own personal version of how it went down, and it's contrary to all the information at hand. "Wants" and "deserves" are 2 very different things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffismagic Posted May 11, 2017 Share Posted May 11, 2017 Ignoring is a good idea, but not Leroi. Someone has their own personal version of how it went down, and it's contrary to all the information at hand. I am not going to bother citing all the evidence that Sean was in charge. It's enormous and vast. And it really is common sense. Why would a team let a guy they told they were firing pick players? That scenario is ALMOST as a crazy as what actually happened where the Panthers D coordinator was picking players from scouts he said had to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted May 11, 2017 Share Posted May 11, 2017 But, don't you need to know who picked that particular shallot that went into your sauce? Don't you have a right to know? Look, you can take it down to the regional scout level if you want, but we will ultimately judge things on the W/L record and the trends we see on the field. wtf is a shallot anyway Ok back to the thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffismagic Posted May 11, 2017 Share Posted May 11, 2017 wtf is a shallot anyway Ok back to the thread I just made crispy chicken thighs with shallots and mushrooms last night. They bring the flavor. Throw in some wine, chicken stock, and butter and you should be good to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted May 11, 2017 Share Posted May 11, 2017 wtf is a shallot anyway Ok back to the thread They're the fancy version of onions that you buy at Whole Foods Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted May 11, 2017 Share Posted May 11, 2017 ...uh oh....tomorrow is Friday and what happens if OP does NOT get his answer?......I'm thinking he buys Pegula out.....stay tuned........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBillsFanSince1973 Posted May 11, 2017 Share Posted May 11, 2017 ...uh oh....tomorrow is Friday and what happens if OP does NOT get his answer?......I'm thinking he buys Pegula out.....stay tuned........ he'll fire one up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted May 11, 2017 Share Posted May 11, 2017 he'll fire one up! You mean this is NOT the op? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted May 11, 2017 Share Posted May 11, 2017 You mean this is NOT the op? ...calm down John....it is "medicinal"......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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